The Situation in the Ukraine. #12

Vann7 wrote:

I know this is just fluffling and beaten chest provocations..  but..
NATO is now threatening Russia with attacking it.. if a military conflict start..

The head of the Main Operation Directorate of the General Staff has warned that in the case of a military conflict, critical facilities on the territory of “almost the entire European part of Russia will be vulnerable to NATO’s air attack, with the flight time of the missiles reduced by half.”

http://rt.com/news/251229-nato-tornado-drills-estonia/

How much i will love to see a happy trigger NATO General to dare to attack Russia with a cruise
missile to see later how The RUssian airforce wipe the entire military at russian borders ,and the survivors running away with their tail between their legs.. saying sorry ,or apologizing for the mistake..  

They are clearly provoking Russia to say something hostile ,or do something hostile ,and later use their BS media to demonize Russia as an "aggressor". The entire objective of this provocations is to pressure Russia do something that will facilitate US pressuring EU for more sanctions.  In other words an economic war..  They will not attack Russia.. because if they do it.. they will be unable later to demonize their actions.. and instead the image problem will be for them.. for attacking Russia.

cracker wrote:those warmongers should be hanged high and short, on street lamps.



On the same note...


"US and Ukrainian soldiers attend an opening ceremony of the joint Ukrainian-US military exercise 'Fearless Guardian' at the Yavoriv training ground on April 20, 2015 in the region of Lviv. US paratroopers began training Ukrainian government forces who will fight pro-Russian separatists in the east, angering Moscow as the deadly conflict rumbles on in the ex-Soviet country."

WILL FIGHT? as in future and not conditional? At least if they said "would be ready to fight in case of.." This is plain and simple a declaration of war.

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Pathetic...

cracker wrote:Pathetic...

kvs wrote:Clowns arriving to train Kiev butchers how to kill more Donbas civilians.   Real pride there in the moral "high ground".

The same old mentally diseased western crusaders who can never see themselves ever doing anything wrong.   Always
spreading "goodness" by the sword.

The Russian expert community is almost unanimous in the fact that immediately after the celebration of Victory Day in the Donbass again breaks out military conflict.

There is no doubt that not the Americans brought their puppets to power, equip and modernize the Ukrainian army to allow to "freeze" the war.

A second Transnistria on the Western borders of Russia is not included in their plans. For Washington it is tantamount to defeat ventured in a Big geopolitical game against the Kremlin. Bets are made on the war, to involve Russia into a direct military conflict with Kyiv authorities. However, on the warpath, the United States became serious complications, from junction of which depends on the time and form of another military confrontation in the Donbass.

Let's start with the fact that Washington cannot give the go-ahead for another round of armed confrontation, while Kiev will not solve the issue of restructuring the urgent payments. The Minister of Finance of Ukraine Natalia Jaresko slipped and said Kiev at the request of the IMF is obliged to write off or restructure the $ 15 billion foreign debt by the end of may. Without this he will not receive the next tranche. Will not get a bailout on the horizon immediately loomed default. And by default what war? There will be no war.

Jaresko told in Washington: you need to firmly tell the creditors that there is no money and urgently needs until the end of may to restructure the write-off of debt. And best of all. She, without thinking, blurted it all openly and immediately stumbled upon a severe reaction creditors. They don't care because the US plans to carbonize the Donbass.

Now this is very difficult negotiations. And not with Jaresko. With her and no one to speak will not, unless this issue will take US. And then there prevents Russia. Her Ukraine must return in December 3 billion. Moscow will not hear about any restructuring, and demands repayment of the entire amount on time. Agree that this headache Kiev will have to decide Washington.

And not only this. In Kiev under the carpet bulldog locked in combat, two groups - Poroshenko and Yatsenyuk. The sympathy of Americans moved to the side Poroshenko. Yatsenyuk and his team was caught stealing. And associate Yatsenyuk, the Minister of internal Affairs Avakov does not want to drive punitive battalions in army structure, reporting Poroshenko. But Yatsenyuk and his team, (and this includes in addition to Avakov, the head of the NSDC of Ukraine "bloody pastor" Turchynov and Deputy Chairman of the faction "popular front" in the Verkhovna Rada Pashinsky), are not going to voluntarily become "scapegoats". At their meeting they decided to resist and not to spare any "dirt" on Poroshenko and his team.

And here begins the second headache for American curators: if the post of Prime Minister goes Yatsenyuk, he and his supporters threaten to break up the coalition. No coalition - no election of a new Prime Minister. New parliamentary elections are not yet part of the plans of the United States since the war has been delayed again. We must somehow reconcile all the serpentarium, to agree. And then there's Washington decided instead Yatsenyuk put the post its premiere in the Board Jaresko to do away with theft and corruption in the Cabinet.

Now the Prime-Minister of Ukraine claimed four people. It Jaresko, Groisman (speaker of Parliament), Tymoshenko (leader of the party "Batkivshchyna) and Kononenko (MP from PPB ). If the candidate is people Poroshenko (Groisman and Kononenko) Americans are considered as a gesture of respect to Poroshenko, totipotence appeared in this list for the purpose of intimidation of the President: it will be easier for the Americans Poroshenko to impose their candidate Jaresko. But smoothly all on paper at the U.S. Embassy, and in the life to drag her safe and unharmed through undercover battles, even Washington will not be easy. To help here can only the threat of default. Scaring this all his legions, USA move Jaresko under the pretext that she can slip creditors instead of money - the famous Ukrainian Chernozem. In other words, offer angry creditors, not money, and Ukrainian lands - today only-selling item in the Ukraine.

Another major problem stands in the way of Ukraine to a full-scale war with Russia - the EU position. Europe understands that the United States are a matter not just to the war in the Donbass, and to a major war between Russia and Ukraine. European elites understand that in this case, after the Ukraine they would be placed under external administration of the USA. Such a prospect does not suit them, and they are becoming increasingly unwilling to play along with US in their game in Ukraine. The EU already tacitly agrees that the conflict in the Donbas "freeze". That's why at the last meeting "channel four" no proposal of Kiev has not passed. Moreover, the Minister of foreign Affairs Klimkin pointed to the fact that Kiev does not fulfill the Minsk agreement and required to strictly adhere to the Minsk agreements. After scolding Klimkin immediately suffered delirium: accused the OSCE that its employees "merge information" to the militia.

Not everything went smoothly in the USA and with the Ukrainian army. She has not recovered so far after "debaltsevsky boiler. Don't want to fight and ready to die for the interests of Washington. So will be using the American, Polish and canadian instructors to improve its combat readiness, to raise the degree of hatred toward Russia. All this takes time and there is no sense to start a new military campaign against Donbass, without combat and operational training.

So while in the Arsenal of the United States is basically an organization of political assassinations to intimidate opponents of the junta, systematic military provocations in Donbas, the shelling and the sending of fighters to terrorist attacks. This tactic allows you to continue to work towards turning the land of Donbass in a Scarecrow for the rest of Ukraine, as the country's population to keep at Bay.

While this tactic works. South-Eastern regions mostly hate the Kiev regime, but don't want the fate of the LNR and DNR. And attempts to raise a wave of national anger doomed to failure. The US has pushed and will continue to push Kiev to persistent violations of the Minsk agreements, the continuation of the fire. They now need to disrupt the sowing campaign in the Donbas, there to provoke even greater famine next winter. Not to allow restoration work, including in the housing sector. Americans are demanding from Kiev with the help of provocation to turn into hell the lives of millions of citizens of the two republics. In Washington understand: Russia will tolerate it, because they are afraid of isolation and the emerging gap of understanding with the EU.

In terms of the systematic provocations of the authorities of Donbass will not be able to run the enterprise, can not ensure residents work. The economies of the two republics are almost destroyed and on the horizon looms the prospect of turning the Donbass in the "zone" Stalker from the famous film by Andrei Tarkovsky. Unfortunately, Russia has not obtained to establish normality, to end the arbitrariness of various paramilitary groups. The flow of refugees from this region will increase, and the content of Donbass is already a heavy burden on the Russian economy.

Tactics of Washington to exhaustion, depletion forces in Russia's boycott of the Crimea and the disruption of civilian life in the Donbas is triggered. And abandon this tactic Washington does not intend. Moreover, the CIA has turned the Ukrainian security services in its branch that deals with the physical elimination of any real opposition in the country, and against Russia is developing plans to strengthen the impact of its local agents in the Ukrainian Diaspora, preparing the armed underground in the largest Russian cities. Together coached by Americans of Ukrainian army, the preparation of intelligence network in Russia, systematic work with legal opposition, Washington is actively striving to offset the current Russian government is using the Maydan technology.

Is it understood in the Kremlin? Developing suppression system for opening and neutralize all these plans? Have you created a single coordinating authority, or still different towers of the Kremlin are each separately their job? Does the economic policy of the authorities in the face of new threats? Judging by the statements of the authorities, understanding the seriousness thrown Russia call there. But in reality it is slow and not systematic. One example: Russia has done little to undermine the Ukrainian economy, weaken its military capabilities.

Isn't it clear that the maintenance of trade and economic relations with Ukraine, the supply of gas and oil in the country provide revenues to the budget of Ukraine, budget of the war. This money goes to the army, to the war in the Donbass, turn there blood and destruction. And we again spend money on the maintenance of Donbass. Formed a vicious circle. Did Washington led the trade with your enemy? Yes, the Americans would have long since strangled the economy of his opponent sanctions, a total boycott. Russia remains Ukraine provides for its markets. Trading turnover fell between us, but is still more than 30 billion dollars. Washington can only applaud such an ostrich policy. And Russia to reap the bitter fruits of its slowness and indecision.

Independence-it was our operation. Snipers were trained in Poland. Terrorists shot and killed on the Maidan 40 demonstrators and 20 police in order to provoke unrest, said in an interview with " Virtual Poland presidential candidate, MEP Janusz Korwin-Micke.

Last week two prominent Ukrainian opposition figures were gunned down in broad daylight. They join as many as ten others who have been killed or committed suicide under suspicious circumstances just this year. These individuals have one important thing in common: they were either part of or friendly with the Yanukovych government, which a US-backed coup overthrew last year. They include members of the Ukrainian parliament and former chief editors of major opposition newspapers.

While some journalists here in the US have started to notice the strange series of opposition killings in Ukraine, the US government has yet to say a word.

Compare this to the US reaction when a single opposition figure was killed in Russia earlier this year. Boris Nemtsov was a member of a minor political party that was not even represented in the Russian parliament. Nevertheless the US government immediately demanded that Russia conduct a thorough investigation of his murder, suggesting the killers had a political motive.

As news of the Russian killing broke, Chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee Ed Royce (R-CA) did not wait for evidence to blame the killing on Russian president Vladimir Putin. On the very day of Nemtsov’s murder, Royce told the US media that, “this shocking murder is the latest assault on those who dare to oppose the Putin regime.”

Neither Royce, nor Secretary of State John Kerry, nor President Obama, nor any US government figure has said a word about the series of apparently political murders in Ukraine.

On the contrary, instead of questioning the state of democracy in what looks like a lawless Ukraine, the Administration is sending in the US military to help train Ukrainian troops!

Last week, just as the two political murders were taking place, the US 173rd Airborne Brigade landed in Ukraine to begin training Ukrainian national guard forces – and to leave behind some useful military equipment. Though the civil unrest continues in Ukraine, the US military is assisting one side in the conflict – even as the US slaps sanctions on Russia over accusations it is helping out the other side!

As the ceasefire continues to hold, though shakily, what kind of message does it send to the US-backed government in Kiev to have US troops arrive with training and equipment and an authorization to gift Kiev with some $350 million in weapons? Might they not take this as a green light to begin new hostilities against the breakaway regions in the east?

The Obama administration is so inconsistent in its foreign policy. In some places, particularly Cuba and Iran, the administration is pursuing a policy that looks to diplomacy and compromise to help improve decades of bad relations. In these two cases the administration realizes that the path of confrontation has led nowhere. When the president announced his desire to see the end of Cuba sanctions, he stated very correctly that, "…we are ending a policy that was long past its expiration date. When what you’re doing doesn’t work for fifty years, it’s time to try something new.”

So while Obama is correctly talking about sanctions relief for Iran and Cuba, he is adding more sanctions on Russia, backing Saudi Arabia’s brutal attack on Yemen, and pushing ever harder for regime change in Syria. Does he really believe the rest of the world does not see these double standards? A wise consistency of non-interventionism in all foreign affairs would be the correct course for this and future US administrations. Let us hope they will eventually follow Obama’s observation that, “it’s time to try something new.”

sepheronx wrote:http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150421/1021188563.html

Ratsenyuk lost all sense of reality.

sepheronx wrote:http://tass.ru/en/world/790826

The world should be demanding EU to answer for this. Russia should step up pressure by dropping gas supplies to Poland and stopping all trade.

Viktor wrote:

sepheronx wrote:http://tass.ru/en/world/790826

The world should be demanding EU to answer for this. Russia should step up pressure by dropping gas supplies to Poland and stopping all trade.

Double standards till the end. Dont expect those fags to say anything.

sepheronx wrote:http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150421/1021188563.html

Ratsenyuk lost all sense of reality.

Rodinazombie wrote:Ahhh, a ukraine thread

I feel like a a junkie who thought his supply was running out and then found an emergency supply

kvs wrote:

Rodinazombie wrote:Ahhh, a ukraine thread

I feel like a a junkie who thought his supply was running out and then found an emergency supply

I see the NATO butthurt forum is closing its doors on May 1.    That's sad.

kvs wrote:

Rodinazombie wrote:Ahhh, a ukraine thread

I feel like a a junkie who thought his supply was running out and then found an emergency supply

I see the NATO butthurt forum is closing its doors on May 1.    That's sad.

sepheronx wrote:http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150421/1021188563.html

Ratsenyuk lost all sense of reality.

In the interview, published Tuesday, Yatsenyuk stated that "Ukraine is just the first battle in Moscow's war against the West," adding that his country is now "protecting the borders of the European Union from Russian invasion."