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macedonian wrote:
World Bank Predicts Ukrainian Economy Will be Among 2015's Worst Performers
Too bad we don't have Preobrazhensky here to tell us how things are looking up in Ukraine and how generally - everything is just peachy...
Firebird wrote:
After those crackpots who tried to build a wooden catapult, you've gotta wonder whether they get their ideas from Game of Thrones..
I wonder what the odds of one of those Femen nutters getting her tits out and claiming to have a dragon...
PapaDragon wrote:Got this little nugget of info on Moscow Times. We already have "Imperium" and "God-Emperor" in the east so it was about time "Legions of Chaos" show up....Moscow Times wrote:
Thousands of Psychics, Witches to Descend on Kiev in the Name of Peace
Upward of 2,000 psychics, shamans, witches and warlocks are set to descend on Kiev on Thursday in a bid to bring peace to Ukraine through magic, local media reported Tuesday.
The mass ritual will be held on the eve of May 1, a day traditionally associated with witchcraft in Kiev and among many adherents to Paganism internationally.
It will take place on Mikhailovsky Square, bordered by two cathedrals, "the spiritual center and heart of Kiev and all of Ukraine," the event's organizer, shaman Sergei "Sabirius" Grechishkin, said in comments to Ukrainian news site Vesti.
The ritual will be led by "13 masters of the first circle," for whom Grechishkin is prepared to vouch. Аs well as possessing paranormal capabilities, the event's planned participants are "decent people with kind hearts," Grechishkin told Vesti.
"On the square we will collectively appeal to higher powers … to rouse people from this bloody outbreak of anger and hatred and ask to save everyone who has found themselves in this terrible slaughter."
Vesti reported that Kiev officials were unaware of the planned ritual.
Deacon of the St. Mikhail Monastery, Father Ivan, spoke to Vesti about the planned ritual, of which he had previously been unaware. "There's nothing bad about people planning to pray for peace in Ukraine. … [but] people pray for peace in church. … You mustn't forget that apart from God, there is also the devil, who can, via [psychics, shamans, witches and warlocks], create what at first glance looks like good things which then turn out to have been made using dark powers."
A planned group prayer in the St. Sophia Cathedral on the same square turned sour in 1993, Vesti noted. Members of the "White Brotherhood" sect had wanted to take over the cathedral, host a group prayer and then set the cathedral alight. Police intervened and arrested the organizers.
Crazy thing is that I seem to remember someone mentioning unit of pagans fighting in the ranks of NAF a while back...might be start of inter-pagan religious war.
PapaDragon wrote:macedonian wrote:
World Bank Predicts Ukrainian Economy Will be Among 2015's Worst Performers
Too bad we don't have Preobrazhensky here to tell us how things are looking up in Ukraine and how generally - everything is just peachy...
Ahhh, good old Doc P. , I will miss his economic news from Wonderland although his pie-charts did clog my net bandwidth from time to time
macedonian wrote:
Ukrainian rebels expel foreign aid group IRC
Reuters wrote:DONETSK, Ukraine April 30 (Reuters) - Representatives of a New York-based aid group were expelled from separatist-held territories in eastern Ukraine on Thursday after rebels closed down their operational base, accusing them of spying.
Around 17 foreign and local workers for the International Rescue Committee (IRC) were detained in their office in the rebel-controlled city of Donetsk while their belongings were searched, a Reuters witness said.
The foreigners were then escorted to a hotel under armed guard before being driven to a separatist roadblock to cross into Ukrainian-controlled territory, the witness said.
continued (Reuters) >>
Gotta say I agree with DNR here. These "NGO's" have been used for spy activities before.
I wouldn't trust them either.
Metro.co.uk wrote:Salt mines built in western Ukraine 220 years ago slowly began to collect water after they were closed, dissolving underground rock formations beneath some village.
And after an enormous sinkhole measuring 100 metres across opened up in Solotvino, Zakarpatska Oblast, residents are demanding the government move them to a safer location or take measures to stop the hole – and other, smaller ones like it – growing even larger.
‘The holes are getting closer to other houses all the time,’ said Ivan Prokop, 53.
medo wrote:This is the right move from DNR. They should throw out all western NGOs from their territory.
medo wrote:macedonian wrote:
Ukrainian rebels expel foreign aid group IRC
Reuters wrote:DONETSK, Ukraine April 30 (Reuters) - Representatives of a New York-based aid group were expelled from separatist-held territories in eastern Ukraine on Thursday after rebels closed down their operational base, accusing them of spying.
Around 17 foreign and local workers for the International Rescue Committee (IRC) were detained in their office in the rebel-controlled city of Donetsk while their belongings were searched, a Reuters witness said.
The foreigners were then escorted to a hotel under armed guard before being driven to a separatist roadblock to cross into Ukrainian-controlled territory, the witness said.
continued (Reuters) >>
Gotta say I agree with DNR here. These "NGO's" have been used for spy activities before.
I wouldn't trust them either.
This is the right move from DNR. They should throw out all western NGOs from their territory.
PapaDragon wrote:List of gear captured by rebels in Debaltsevo. It's from Russia Insider. Can't post source link since I'm still a noob here.
Looks like a sweet haul...
Rebels' Debaltsevo Trophy Count: Over 450 Heavy Weapons, 200 Pieces of Armor, 60 Tanks
Including nearly 200 heavy weapons which are immediately operable - the rest will be put into working condition after some are cannibalized for parts
A partial count of captured equipment by just one of the two rebel republics
Defense Ministry spokesman for Donetsk People’s Republic - one of the two breakaway republics in East Ukraine - says evacuation of useable military equipment that Ukraine forces surrendered or left behind in the January-February battle of Debaltsevo salient is now complete.
The reported final tally of weapons DPR evacuated amounts to:
Armored fighting vehicles:
58 tanks - 15 immediately operable
104 BMP infantry fighting vehicles - 38 operable
37 other armored troop transporters - 12 operable
Transportation vehicles:
180 trucks - 76 operable
28 special equipment vehicles - 9 operable
11 MT-LB armored tracked vehicles - 4 operable
Artillery pieces:
3 GRAD multiple rocket launchers - 2 operable
14 Gvozdika self-propelled howitzers (122mm) - 9 operable
13 2A65 howitzers (152mm) - 12 operable
6 D30 howitzers (120mm) - 6 operable
2 PM-38 mortars (120mm) - 2 operable
2 2B9 mortars (82mm) - 2 operable
1 2S9 self-propelled mortar - inoperable
Anti-tank and anti-aircraft:
6 ZU 23-2 anti-aircraft automatic cannons (23mm) - 4 operable
3 MT-12 anti-tank guns (100mm) - 3 operable
3 9P148 guided anti-tank missile - 3 operable
These numbers refer only to the equipment evacuated by Donetsk People’s Republic. Forces of the Lugansk People’s Republic likely evacuated a many pieces as well. Also some equipment was destroyed in the fighting. Therefore the equipment losses of Ukraine army at Debaltsevo could be up to a few times higher than the numbers given here. Defense ministry spokesman:
“All Ukrainian equipment after restoration and rehabilitation will equip our units, and we’ll use those not repairable as a source of spares. There are still significant numbers of Ukrainian weapons and equipment scattered near Debaltsevo, but most of that is actually only useless junk. Some we can use for future mine clearance activities, but all we can do with the rest is to scrap them.”
Metro.co.uk wrote:Salt mines built in western Ukraine 220 years ago slowly began to collect water after they were closed, dissolving underground rock formations beneath some village.
And after an enormous sinkhole measuring 100 metres across opened up in Solotvino, Zakarpatska Oblast, residents are demanding the government move them to a safer location or take measures to stop the hole – and other, smaller ones like it – growing even larger.
‘The holes are getting closer to other houses all the time,’ said Ivan Prokop, 53.
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auslander wrote:I agree on the tossing of the NGO. As was stated yes, some are idealistic or generally interested in and doing good work, but as a generality I don't trust the majority of them at all. Idealism can often be channeled to nefarious workings fulfilling an agenda that the idealists don't even realize is there.
e wrote:The Ukrainian National Guard has been put on high alert due to worsening forest fires around the crippled Chernobyl nuclear power plant, according to Ukraine Interior Minister Arsen Avakov.
"The forest fire situation around the Chernobyl power plant has escalated", a statement on Avakov's Facebook page says.
"The forest fire is heading in the direction of Chernobyl's installations. Treetop flames and strong gusts of wind have created a real danger of the fire spreading to an area within 20 kilometers of the power plant. There are about 400 hectares [988 acres] of forests in the endangered area."
He added that there was "reasonable suspicion of intentional arson" since fires had been ignited on both sides of the river.
Police and National Guard units are on high alert. Ukraine's Prime Minister personally went to the affected area to oversee the firefighting. He says the situation is under control, "but this is the biggest fire since 1992."
However, in comments to Russia's Moscow Speaks radio, a representative of Greenpeace Russia said that the situation is much worse:
"A very large, catastrophic forest fire is taking place in a 30-km zone around the Chernobyl power plant. We estimate the real area of the fire to be 10,000 hectares; this is based on satellite images. This hasn't been officially acknowledged yet."
auslander wrote:I agree on the tossing of the NGO. As was stated yes, some are idealistic or generally interested in and doing good work, but as a generality I don't trust the majority of them at all. Idealism can often be channeled to nefarious workings fulfilling an agenda that the idealists don't even realize is there.
macedonian wrote:Not good:
Chernobyl fire radiation hazard as 'hot particles' of plutonium go up in smoke
Forest fires raging near the abandoned Chernobyl nuclear disaster site in north Ukraine
are releasing a surge of airborne plutonium particles as radioactive twigs, branches and leaf burn.e wrote:The Ukrainian National Guard has been put on high alert due to worsening forest fires around the crippled Chernobyl nuclear power plant, according to Ukraine Interior Minister Arsen Avakov.
"The forest fire situation around the Chernobyl power plant has escalated", a statement on Avakov's Facebook page says.
"The forest fire is heading in the direction of Chernobyl's installations. Treetop flames and strong gusts of wind have created a real danger of the fire spreading to an area within 20 kilometers of the power plant. There are about 400 hectares [988 acres] of forests in the endangered area."
He added that there was "reasonable suspicion of intentional arson" since fires had been ignited on both sides of the river.
Police and National Guard units are on high alert. Ukraine's Prime Minister personally went to the affected area to oversee the firefighting. He says the situation is under control, "but this is the biggest fire since 1992."
However, in comments to Russia's Moscow Speaks radio, a representative of Greenpeace Russia said that the situation is much worse:
"A very large, catastrophic forest fire is taking place in a 30-km zone around the Chernobyl power plant. We estimate the real area of the fire to be 10,000 hectares; this is based on satellite images. This hasn't been officially acknowledged yet."
continued The Ecologist >>
par far wrote:Is it far fetched to say this is the work of fascists? They might try to put their forces there under the pre text of fighting the fire.
TASS wrote:MOSCOW, April 30. /TASS/. Unidentified special task forces are conducting a special operation in the area of the township of Avdeyevka in Donbas to render harmless a battalion of Ukrainian nationalists, Eduard Basurin, an official spokesman for the Defence Ministry of the self-proclaimed unrecognized Donetsk People’s Republic said on Thursday.
"About 5 a.m., our reconnaissance registered a brief exchange of fire at the positions of the Ukrainian armed units," he said. "Our reconnaissance officers said in their reports that an unknown unit of commandoes had stormed and seized a platoon-level fortified strongpoint set up by punitive expeditioners from a nationalistic battalion."
Werewolf wrote:
We know RF supplied arms and some minor numbers of tanks, but to say russia "obviously supplied ALL T-64,T-72A/B and B3 is retarded, not to mention that TR1 posts everything as some holygrail evidence and jerks off to it, while his first post of a B3 was a T-72BA, recently he posted this garbage of Kronet spotted in Ukraine, which was again a bullshit from ukrops with a Fagot engine portrayed as a Kornet remaining parts while a Kornet warhead was undamaged and undetonated, simply just used to smear shit against RF, while ukrops are openly recieving weapons from Nazi Masterlord US.
etaepsilonk wrote:TR1 wrote:The fact that you still don't know the difference between what a T-72B3 and a T-72BA is, is just downright embarrassing.
The premier Russian forum, Otvaga, with the best Russian armor insiders on the web, has long contented itself with the fact that the T-72B3 has been seen in Ukraine.
I'd love to know who these "experts" are that have proved otherwise.
There have been T-72Bs, T-72B3s, T-72As, and T-64s seen in Ukraine that obviously all came from Russia.
There have been T-72Bs, T-72BMs (to use an informal designation) and T-72B3s destroyed. There are photos of all, too. Plenty of them.
The very fact that you think some mp.net discussion is more telling that Otvaga posters calling a T-72B3 a T-72B3 is hilarious in itself.
Dunno if you remember, but there had been a discussion between us regarding t-64 tank supply. Among other reasons, you said that giving t-64 made sense because of logistics and secrecy. Arguments kinda forgotten when all those t-72s started to pop up
I'm sure that you praise your otvaga gods pretty fiercely, but any particular recorded item must be regarded only as a probability, not as certainty. Now there's information that before maidan, ukraine actually bought some "100 percent russian" weapons in a limited quantity.
It's not completely unlikely that they're buying stuff even now (!), considering that there isn't a hard arms embargo in place, as far as I know.
higurashihougi wrote:The clearest thing is that, all these "Russian T-72 pics", no matter true or false, is an attempt to smear and topple the Novo armed forces and to cover the weaknesses of Kyiv forces.
Only individual with subhuman knowledge will refuse to understand that, Russia does not want and does not find it is wise to blalantly and unlimitedly supply weapons to Novo forces. Russian military supply is very limited at best, and much of Novo's heavy weapons were captured from Kyiv forces, including tanks.
Kyiv forces are WEAK and Kyiv current goverment are A BUNCH OF SCUMBAGS. That's why Western propaganga tries its best to emphasize on Russia this, Russia that, in a desperate attempt to legitimize the facist scums in Kyiv.
macedonian wrote:
On another note:
Unidentified special forces fight against battalions of Ukrainian nationalists — Basurin
The case in hand might be precisely targeted elimination of the freewheeling warlords in charge of
nationalistic Ukrainian battalions by foreign mercenaries, Eduard Basurin saidTASS wrote:MOSCOW, April 30. /TASS/. Unidentified special task forces are conducting a special operation in the area of the township of Avdeyevka in Donbas to render harmless a battalion of Ukrainian nationalists, Eduard Basurin, an official spokesman for the Defence Ministry of the self-proclaimed unrecognized Donetsk People’s Republic said on Thursday.
"About 5 a.m., our reconnaissance registered a brief exchange of fire at the positions of the Ukrainian armed units," he said. "Our reconnaissance officers said in their reports that an unknown unit of commandoes had stormed and seized a platoon-level fortified strongpoint set up by punitive expeditioners from a nationalistic battalion."
macedonian wrote:Not good:
Chernobyl fire radiation hazard as 'hot particles' of plutonium go up in smoke
Forest fires raging near the abandoned Chernobyl nuclear disaster site in north Ukraine
are releasing a surge of airborne plutonium particles as radioactive twigs, branches and leaf burn.e wrote:The Ukrainian National Guard has been put on high alert due to worsening forest fires around the crippled Chernobyl nuclear power plant, according to Ukraine Interior Minister Arsen Avakov.
"The forest fire situation around the Chernobyl power plant has escalated", a statement on Avakov's Facebook page says.
"The forest fire is heading in the direction of Chernobyl's installations. Treetop flames and strong gusts of wind have created a real danger of the fire spreading to an area within 20 kilometers of the power plant. There are about 400 hectares [988 acres] of forests in the endangered area."
He added that there was "reasonable suspicion of intentional arson" since fires had been ignited on both sides of the river.
Police and National Guard units are on high alert. Ukraine's Prime Minister personally went to the affected area to oversee the firefighting. He says the situation is under control, "but this is the biggest fire since 1992."
However, in comments to Russia's Moscow Speaks radio, a representative of Greenpeace Russia said that the situation is much worse:
"A very large, catastrophic forest fire is taking place in a 30-km zone around the Chernobyl power plant. We estimate the real area of the fire to be 10,000 hectares; this is based on satellite images. This hasn't been officially acknowledged yet."
continued
TR1 wrote:
More baloney.
I NEVER posted a T-72BA as a T-72B3. Because I actually can identify tanks unlike 90% of the posters here.
There are photos of Ukranian troops in the field holding expended Kornet parts. With serial numbers and all. Deflect more son, no fagot engine changes that.
As for you hilarious explanation about the "military bases" - LOL.
Why is there not a SCRAP of evidence to show that? Why no imagrey of these vast military bases with equipment?
The rebels have filmed to great extent their depots and repair works, filled with tanks they 1.) Got from Russia and 2.) captured from the ukranians. This is all well sourced on LostArmor, unlike your fairy tales of tanks appearing from mythical "depots".
Further, the rebels THEMSELVES have said Russian volunteers and "vacationers" have gone in, they have themselves said whoever followed the Moscow line- got plenty of armor, weapons, whatever they wanted.
Units that did not like Prizrak were not so lucky with donations.
Your denial is pathetic. Your explanations are pure garbage. Why am I even replying to such worthless posts, that is the real question here.
TR1 wrote:
First of all, you brick, I never said ALL of the arms the rebels have came from Russia.
TR1 wrote:There have been T-72Bs, T-72B3s, T-72As, and T-64s seen in Ukraine that obviously all came from Russia.
TR1 wrote:
Second, you have to be a blind ignoramus to claim this is UNCLEAR. This is 100%, PURE BONAFIDE T-72B3. And YES, Otvaga2004 forums agree on it. The discussion you posted is regarding a different tank altogether.
rtech wrote:However i dont understand why it is a bad thing for RF to supply NAF with weapons
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