Russia's threshold for using nuclear weapons is low..I get that. But if Russia starts the opening phase of a war with nukes then NATO will have to do the same.
I wouldn't call that low... a Soviet Invasion of Hawaii or Alaska would result in the US considering nukes at the very least.
If HATO thinks they can get what they want by using conventional forces then HATO is wrong.
There are 2 factories for the Typhoon family, one is Kamaz and the other is Ural, both have armored truck that call Taifun/Typhoon. Below Pictures of these vehicles:
Yup. Those are the ones... there is also a a four wheeled model in that taifun and typhoon family and the mix of four and six wheeled models in each family makes up the vehicle family I am talking about... they might or might not get in to service as such.
Clearly there was little competition for Armata and Kurganets and Boomerang familes but there are a few truck/light vehicle companies to fairly compete in that class of vehicle. That is why they are still changing the boomerang design to make it bigger inside for infantry and their kit...
It will never happen. The west will never try to take on Russia; even USA will not do that.
It wont happen because Putin is clear about the likely response.
My fear is only from China and if Russia will fight in Europe, the Chinese will take the opportunity and invade Russia.
I think that is even less likely than HATO attacking a part of Russia, but even if they did the Eastern district wont send forces or equipment anywhere during a conflict in Europe so while the leadership might be distracted by such an attack the forces on the ground would be ready to respond, and I think such a stab in the back would be responded to rather harshly and quickly.
I would think a conflict between Russia and China and Europe would be an American wet dream if they could weasel out of being involved, but then what are China and Europe going to do about energy in future when Russia stops the gas and starts sending it via ship elsewhere?
What Russia can do is to move from West Belarus to Lithuania take Vilnius trough Kaunas and join Kaliningrad so the 3 nations will separate from Europe.
Or irradiate them with tactical nuclear weapons and then develop transport trucks to drive through the radiation to supply Kaliningrad via the land... and build walls to prevent the mutants from coming into Russian territory.
Taking and occupying the Baltic states would be a nightmare for Russia and of no benefit at all.
I agree with you 100%, we have a say “the rush is from the devil”. I guess the new units will come slowly and they will be expensive, so upgrade whatever you can now at least as a stop gap solution.
A lot of the new equipment that makes the new vehicles special will be included in the upgraded older stuff, so for example night vision sensor equipment and communications equipment as well as laser range finding and targeting equipment will be added to older vehicles so they will be able to work out the kinks in that stuff and make it more infantry friendly. I think the Armata divisions will be expensive because essentially every vehicle is a tank, but conversely the Boomerang divisions will actually be cheaper to buy and to operate than heavier forces and will have better mobility and not actually be that less well off in terms of protection from heavier current units.
Remember that apart from the BMPs and T series tanks in current armoured and motor rifle divisions the vast majority of other vehicles don't have good armour... they are BTR and MTLB and old BMP based vehicles or even jeeps or trucks and BRDM-2 based.
The Boomerang has BMP level protection or better so a Boomerang based Div is going to have better protection for every vehicle except the 125mm gun platforms operating as tanks.
The Kurganets probably has even better protection and the Armata every vehicle will have tank level protection for the crew at least.
The Ataka missile family has 3 types of warhead:
1. 9M120 has tandem HEAT warhead against tanks.
2. 9M120F has Thermobaric warhead against bunkers and light armor vehicles.
3. 9M220O has HE Frag warhead against helicopters.
I guess the type of missile will be determined by the type of the enemy.
The previous Shturm missile has a single HEAT and a HE. The Ataka has tandem HEAT for armour and bunkers and ships, HE for soft targets, and a rod warhead for aircraft.
The rod warhead for aircraft is sometimes called an expanding rod warhead... if you think of getting some metal rods 50cm long and wielding one end to the rod on one side and the other end to the rod on the other side. You then put a large HE charge down the middle. When the charge goes off the rods are spread out but they rotate because their ends are stuck together... obviously the force of the explosion breaks the wields but you end up with lengths of metal spinning like sword blades. They cut wings and propellers and other parts of aircraft or helicopters or drones and are very good at bringing down aircraft of all types.
They would probably make a real mess of infantry in the open but are primarily intended for use against air targets.
The primary problem with Ataka is the warhead is fixed. You wouldn't bother with the anti tank version on BMPT or IFV if the enemy had no tank level armour to justify it. A great way to take out a sniper or MG position, but most Russian BMPs have 73mm or 100mm guns that can do the same or better, while their T series tanks also have 125mm HE rounds for the job.
If we will put 4 Bulat systems on the vehicles it will get to much attention from the enemy that will try to destroy it, so I prefer to have more vehicles with one Bulat system than less with more Bulat system. One more thing, every hole in the turret makes it weaker and easy to penetrate.
The Bulat we are seeing is on a BMP turret, whose purpose is to support the troops it is carrying. The suggestion of a four launcher turret would be for a replacement for the Shturm-M or Kornet-M vehicles based on the MTLB and BMP-3 respectively as armoured ATGM platforms. Having a vehicle with four retractable launchers on such a vehicle would be rather like the two retractable launchers on the Tigr-M ATGM Kornet launcher... just pretty normal.
Having 32 Bulats ready to launch, or perhaps 24 ready to launch in three launchers with the other launcher with 4 Kornets for more difficult targets would make the vehicle better armed than the Shturm (12 missiles) and Kornet (15 missiles) and Kristantema (15 missiles).
These are retractable turrets so penetration of the turret is not so important.
It will be better than the 57mm LC gun that’s for sure, but the difference between the rte of fire between the two guns might change the outcome.
It might or it might not... it is very hard to say. What I would say that you will quickly find that if a round wont penetrate or be powerful enough to defeat a structure then lots of them in quick succession is not often a good solution. Calling for support by bigger heavier weapons often is the better solution, while you keep using your lighter faster firing weapon on other targets.
With the 57mm LC we don’t need another AGL.
It is about round size and capacity. The 57mm LC gun combines a heavy HE round that is slow moving but if you wanted to battery in the front of a house with it the increased HE charge would actually make it more effective than the faster smaller lighter 57mm HE round from the HC round.
If you need to punch through the front you could still batter through with LC HE or lob over with HE... if it wasn't that heavy you could punch into it with APFSDS rounds from the LC gun.
The complimentary nature of the 30mm auto cannon shell and the 30mm grenade launcher shell is not just that the 30 x 165mm is flat shooting high velocity and that the 30 x 29mm grenade launcher round lobs at low velocity over obstacles. The 30 x 165mm shells are huge and take up a lot of space and cause lots of recoil when fired. The 30 x 29mm is a much smaller more compact round of lower recoil for delivering a small HE charge to the area of the target.
In the case of the new 40mm grenades there is no case to eject and it is even simpler, but has better range and a much more powerful payload than the 30mm grenade.
With a rifle calibre machine gun a burst at 2,000 metres is not going to be very accurate, but if you are firing it against a group of enemy troops you might get a few hits and maybe one or two kills, because the bullets need to make contact and an area 10-15 metres wide by 5-6 metres high... if you put 50 bullet holes randomly the odds are zero that every bullet is going to hit someone unless it is a tight group of people standing shoulder to shoulder.
If you replace those 50 bullet projectiles with 5-10 40mm grenades which on impact convert those 5 to ten 4cm wide projectiles into thousands of small metal fragments moving very fast then the chances for wounding a lot of people in that area become really rather good.
It is a bit like firing a 57mm HE shell but much cheaper and better able to cover a wider area because with HE against soft targets it is much more efficient to have lots of little bombs spread out exploding than one really big one.
RCWS with one Balkan 40mm AGL and one PKT 7.62mm, would be a good combination.
I totally agree... both are relatively long slim weapons that should be pretty easy to mount together with their own ammo bins...
For a special turret rear model they could extend the barrel length and firing/locking time to get better range at the cost of a lower rate of fire...
Hope somebody will lesson to you.
I remember after the conflict in Georgia that the Su-25 pilots mentioned the twin barrel 30mm cannons rate of fire was too high and that targets were being destroyed but it was using up too many rounds... being an aircraft gun I would assume the ammo is electric fired and the twin barrel guns are recoil operated... the recoil from one barrel reloads the other barrel for firing, and with electric ignition the rate of fire and burst size should be straight forward to control...
The side mounted twin barrel 30mm cannon on the Hind uses the same gun but with muzzle mounted flash hiders to reduce the flash next to the weapon operators position.
Very potent weapons.
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