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S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1
medo- Posts : 4343
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They are not paranoid. Strategically important equipment is just not meant for outer public.
coolieno99- Posts : 137
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Austin wrote:SOC , I agree there could be lot of may be's
But they have done a huge number of test i read that even S-300P/V was tested against 60 odd BM targets , we know from Almaz-Antey report that the 40N6 has been tested atleast 15 times against targets.
Its unsual to have no videos of these test other that the missile just lifting off .......even India is very liberal when it comes to ABM test.
The only valid conclusion to draw here is they are every paranoid.
Secretive is a better word. Lessons learned from the Korean War(MiG-15 vs F-86). The Russians and Americans are very evenly matched in both machines and pilots. The difference between victory and defeat is very slight.
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Russia’s Eastern Military District Gets S-400 Missiles
Russia’s Eastern Military District took delivery of a “regimental” set of S-400 Triumph air defense missile systems, the Defense Ministry said on Saturday.
Russia currently has four S-400 regiments - two in the Moscow region, one in the Baltic Fleet and one in the Eastern Military District.
By 2020, Russia is to have 28 S-400 regiments, each comprised of two battalions, mainly in maritime and border areas.
The S-400 Triumph long- to medium-range surface-to-air missile system can effectively engage any aerial target, including aircraft, unmanned aerial vehicles, and cruise and ballistic missiles at up to 400 kilometers and an altitude of up to 30 kilometers.
The Russian Defense Ministry has said there are no plans so far to export the S-400, which will be produced only for the Russian Armed Forces.
http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20120609/173939294.html
Russia’s Eastern Military District took delivery of a “regimental” set of S-400 Triumph air defense missile systems, the Defense Ministry said on Saturday.
Russia currently has four S-400 regiments - two in the Moscow region, one in the Baltic Fleet and one in the Eastern Military District.
By 2020, Russia is to have 28 S-400 regiments, each comprised of two battalions, mainly in maritime and border areas.
The S-400 Triumph long- to medium-range surface-to-air missile system can effectively engage any aerial target, including aircraft, unmanned aerial vehicles, and cruise and ballistic missiles at up to 400 kilometers and an altitude of up to 30 kilometers.
The Russian Defense Ministry has said there are no plans so far to export the S-400, which will be produced only for the Russian Armed Forces.
http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20120609/173939294.html
medo- Posts : 4343
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Good news. Is in Kaliningrad region a regiment or a battalion of S-400?
Viktor- Posts : 5796
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Well thats 4 regiments up to now. 24 more to go by 2020.
TR1- Posts : 5435
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So, that is 64 launchers to date?
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TR1 wrote:So, that is 64 launchers to date?
It'd seem that way. 1 regiment = 2 battalions, and based on how they're deploying it appears that 1 battalion = 1 battery. Each deployed battery has 8 visible TELs, so there are at the very least 64 TELs, provided each battery has a full 8 and each regiment has a full two batteries. I can see a full regiment going to Kaliningrad, we already knew one battery was going to replace the last S-200 unit based there and a second battery could replace the handful of S-300PS batteries in the area. With the significantly increased engagement envelope (for combat aircraft, 250 vs. 90 km), one S-400 battery could easily replace the four or five S-300PS batteries in the area. The greater engagement range allows the system to hit targets, reacquire, and relaunch at new targets, meaning that they aren't really losing any defensive capability.
Mindstorm- Posts : 1133
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The expected "acceleration" in the planned Russian Federation's Universal Air and Space Defence unified structure, triggered by the 2002 unilateral retirement of USA from ABM Treaty and the failure of the recent bilateral talk on the East Europe BMD issue, continue after the recent disclosure of the integration of high-end BMD elements in the new generation destroyers (and ,forgotten by most, also in the future carriers which will not be absolutely "aircraft carriers" in the classical meaning...) with this new declaration on the S-500's acceptance in Russian Armed Forces by Air Force commander Viktor Bondarev.
http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20120627/686129236.html
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http://lenta.ru/news/2012/06/27/s400/
Sources in the military-industrial complex say China will be the first S-400 export customer. They will receive units after domestic needs have been met, likely no sooner than 2017.
Good stuff .
Sources in the military-industrial complex say China will be the first S-400 export customer. They will receive units after domestic needs have been met, likely no sooner than 2017.
Good stuff .
Viktor- Posts : 5796
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How may more S-400 regiment will become active until the end of present year. One more or?
TR1- Posts : 5435
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One more is planned for September, I doubt anymore this year.
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New S-400 Long-Range Missile Ready For Service – Official
A new long-range missile for Russia’s formidable S-400 air defense system will soon enter service, chief-of-staff of Russia’s Air and Missile Defense Command Maj. Gen. Andrei Demin said on Thursday.
“A long-range missile for S-400 has passed all trials and will soon be delivered to air defense units,” Demin told RIA Novosti without specifying the model.
According to experts, it could be the 40N6 variant, which has an active radar homing head and is capable of destroying airborne targets at ranges of up to 400 kilometers (250 miles).
Russia currently has four S-400 regiments - two in the Moscow region, one in the Baltic exclave of Kaliningrad, and one in the Eastern Military District.
By 2020, Russia is to have 28 S-400 regiments, each comprised of two battalions, mainly in maritime and border areas.
The S-400 Triumf long- to medium-range surface-to-air missile system can effectively engage any aerial target, including aircraft, unmanned aerial vehicles, and cruise and ballistic missiles at up to 400 kilometers and an altitude of up to 30 kilometers.
http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20120628/174293966.html
So the danger rings round S-400 sites have just expanded greatly...
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GarryB wrote:So the danger rings round S-400 sites have just expanded greatly...
Good, now I can update the GE range rings Speaking of which I still need to update the S-300PM range rings to 200 km.
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Finaly. Cant wait to see it on video, althrow that could take some time.
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So soon S-400 will be able to destroy the balistic missile RV target flying at the speed about 4.8 km/s?
GarryB- Posts : 40489
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Ahh... Sean... our own Lord of the Rings... Perhaps Sean is Elvish for Sauron?
SOC- Posts : 565
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GarryB wrote:Ahh... Sean... our own Lord of the Rings... Perhaps Sean is Elvish for Sauron?
Quiet, you. Or I'll start a campaign to get New Zealand to buy a squadron of F-35s
Actually, I think I'll leave the 250 km rings in there, and add additional 400 km rings.
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Quiet, you. Or I'll start a campaign to get New Zealand to buy a squadron of F-35s
Pretty safe there... not even the National Government could justify spending that sort of money even in good economic times... for all the money we spent on our A-4Ms we couldn't afford one F-35.
It will be pretty impressive to the effectiveness of the system to add rings at 400km... just in terms of the maths involved. Generally when you increase the radius of a circle by 1/3rd you triple the area inside the circle, so extending the rings from 200-400km is not just doubling the range of the missiles... you are going from a 400km diameter circle to an 800km diameter circle... you would need less than a half dozen batteries to cover all of New Zealand... which is an awkwardly shaped long narrowish country.
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Its numbers are begining to impact.
07/14/12 MANEUVERS WITH ASD FIRING OF C-400 WILL BEGIN AUGUST 10
July 14 2012 .
RIA Novosti reported. Forces Aerospace Defense (ASD) from 10 to 16 August 2012 at the site Ashuluk (Astrakhan region) will conduct the first live-fire exercises with the anti-aircraft missile systems S-400, told RIA Novosti on Saturday, a representative of the Russian Defense Ministry troops ASD Colonel Dmitry Zenin.
"In the period from 10 to 16 August at the site will Ashuluk first tactical exercises compounds Defense Forces ASD live-fire from anti-aircraft missile systems (SAM) and S-400 air defense missile and gun complexes" Armour-C "- a spokesman said .
Zenin said that in these exercises will be attended by two battalions from the regiment of S-400, stationed in the suburban Dmitrov.
According to the Defense Ministry, the organization of the upcoming exercises and combat training in the formations and units EKR discussed on Friday at the base of one of the suburban anti-aircraft missile regiments Air Defense Command PRO-members fees with the leadership of the combat training of troops under the leadership of SAI deputy commander ASD Lieutenant-General Sergei Lobov.
"The gathering was attended by over 100 heads of departments of the Main Combat Training Center of missile warning, space exploration of the Main Center of the situation, the Chief of the test space center named Titov, connections, and missile defense, Plesetsk, arsenal and communications center SAI Troops" - explained Zenin.
Last Wednesday, Deputy Chief of Defence Force Major-General Pavel Kurachenko reported that the Russian army will get to the end of 2012 the fifth set of the regimental air defense missile system S-400. Now the Russian army has four shelves-400, two of which are deployed in the suburbs, one - in the Baltic Fleet, and one - in the Far East.
S-400 "Triumph" - a system of large and medium-range new generation. It is designed to defeat all current and future air and space attack - reconnaissance aircraft, aircraft of strategic and tactical operations, tactical and intermediate range ballistic missiles, hypersonic aircraft targets and radar patrol and guidance.
http://ria.ru/
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hmm,the whole topic of S-400/ 500 is mindbogglig/ perplexing.
I wonder how it will fit into Russia's overall defence strategy.
How will it compare to Nato's ABM system etc etc
Its intersting to note that America thought it could get the S-500 on the cheap in around 2000. I think thats what may have caused their hissy fit in trying to set up their ABM shield in Pol and Cz.
I think Russia has incredibly advanced skills in missile tech. So I wonder how it would withstand a huge assault.
And also, how far will Russia want to export the S-400 etc.
Will Russia look to defend against boost and midphase missiles too? Will laser defences appear before the long term future?
So many unanswered questions.
I wonder how it will fit into Russia's overall defence strategy.
How will it compare to Nato's ABM system etc etc
Its intersting to note that America thought it could get the S-500 on the cheap in around 2000. I think thats what may have caused their hissy fit in trying to set up their ABM shield in Pol and Cz.
I think Russia has incredibly advanced skills in missile tech. So I wonder how it would withstand a huge assault.
And also, how far will Russia want to export the S-400 etc.
Will Russia look to defend against boost and midphase missiles too? Will laser defences appear before the long term future?
So many unanswered questions.
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Its intersting to note that America thought it could get the S-500 on the cheap in around 2000.
Seriously Firebird are you sure that before conceiving amd expressing that....absurdely odd idea....you was perfectly in own of your understanding capabilities.
S-500 ? USA would pay in bribe any amount of money to be capable TODAY to produce even something on par with advanced export versions of late S-300 family specimens (such as S-300PMU-2).
At today, in this specific field, the technological gap between Russian and Western products is so crushing that a system like S-400 is ,and will remain for at least another decade and half, a true alien under a mere technical/performance point of view.
The best that USA is capable to produce ,in that field, are one-task systems very often with great limits even within theirs area of specialization (like the SM-3).
The problems posed by the planned NATO ABM system in East Europe are linked mostly to three main factors:
1) The most important one: The geographical position of this high-end ABM system ,attentively choosen to attempt (in future with purposely optimized and modified SM-3s) , North's Pole interceptions of Topol-M class ICBM in the unique segment of vulnerability of theirs offensive pact toward North America targets (not European ones against which this ABM would be TOTALLY useless)
2) The number of those systems, not limited by any bilateral agreement since the unilateral retreat by part of USA from the ABM Treaty in 2002 (a very risky move taken just to attempt to offset ,in some way, the fast widening technological gap in nuclear delivery systems with Russian counterparts ,highlighted by the appearance on the scene of Topol-M class ICBM and still growing in those same days).
3) The fact that the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty -INF- is still standing (even if ,very likely, it would become very quickly waste paper if a effcient compromise between NATO and Russian federation will be not found within some years) putting all the stress of the situation on the always shrinking numbers of strategical ICBM.
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Mindstorm wrote:
Its intersting to note that America thought it could get the S-500 on the cheap in around 2000.
Seriously Firebird are you sure that before conceiving amd expressing that....absurdely odd idea....you was perfectly in own of your understanding capabilities.
S-500 ? USA would pay in bribe any amount of money to be capable TODAY to produce even something on par with advanced export versions of late S-300 family specimens (such as S-300PMU-2).
At today, in this specific field, the technological gap between Russian and Western products is so crushing that a system like S-400 is ,and will remain for at least another decade and half, a true alien under a mere technical/performance point of view.
The best that USA is capable to produce ,in that field, are one-task systems very often with great limits even within theirs area of specialization (like the SM-3).
http://www.missilethreat.com/missiledefensesystems/id.54/system_detail.asp
Fortunately, Putin is made of sterner stuff than his predessor Yeltsin.
I'm not saying missilethreat is a good source, but I always felt the US were getting shitty over some type of jealousy.
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http://www.missilethreat.com/missiledefensesystems/id.54/system_detail.asp
S-500 is a Russian surface-to-air missile system that, if developed, will be able to track and destroy ballistic missiles with ranges of up to 3,500 kilometers.
If even the late version of Army's S-300V family (S-300V4) are already TODAY more than capable to do that !!!
"S-500 ,if developed will be able ", simply priceless.
At the time, the S-400 and its upgraded version, the Antey-2500, were barely below the demarcation threshold.
Simply genial !
We now must only advice Almaz/Antey of this fact; do you know those very dumb guys of the designers of those systems at today still don't had realized what this group of Nobel prizes have brightly foreseen .
Now next time Almaz/Antey will show Antey-2500 (naturally the older version of it !!!) in any international exibitions will finally assert that them have offered for years to customers the....upgraded version of the ,by far, most powerful and efficient Air Defense system now operative on the planet, present at today in limited number only in Russian Federation key sites and still banned for export ....
What can say ? Another proof ,from the recent past, of the.... stellar performances... of the US intelligence gsthering agencies.
And with similar level of efficiency someone is still surprised for what happend at New York just an year after those clumsy enemy's capability assessments and projections of year 2000 ?
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Now next time Almaz/Antey will show Antey-2500 (naturally the older version of it !!!) in any international exibitions will finally assert that them have offered for years to customers the....upgraded version of the ,by far, most powerful and efficient Air Defense system now operative on the planet
So new version of Antey-2500 is more powerful and efficient than S-400?
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So new version of Antey-2500 is more powerful and efficient than S-400?
Oh not, Arrow , obviously not.
New version of Antey-2500 (that offered Almaz-Antey in the latest exibition with 350 kmof engagement range ) is a substantially downgraded export version of domestic S-300V4 at its own time substantially inferior to S-400 overall.
Mine was clearly an ironic statement aimed at leg pull this comical assertion :
"At the time, the S-400 and its upgraded version, the Antey-2500, were barely below the demarcation threshold."
present in this article of 2000
http://www.missilethreat.com/missiledefensesystems/id.54/system_detail.asp
All clear now?