MiG-29/ΜiG-35 Fulcrum: News

Egyptian mig-29M/35 armed with R-77 (or RVV-AE), Kh-38 (probably radar guided or inertial + Glonass guidance) and new build Reco pod that some 40 of them were said to be sold with the Migs to Egypt

Isos wrote:Egyptian mig-29M/35 armed with R-77 (or RVV-AE), Kh-38 (probably radar guided or inertial + Glonass guidance) and new build Reco pod that some 40 of them were said to be sold with the Migs to Egypt

That targeting pod

That targeting pod Cool

Yeah and it doesn't use a hardpoint on the wings !

Mig 29SMT---- over two and a half months of operation, the aircraft had carried out more than 140 sorties

https://sputniknews.com/russia/201712071059778183-russia-syria-mig-29smt/

I hope they will also give some informations about combat experiences of Su-27SM3 in Syria. They are there longer time than MiG-29SMT.

medo wrote:I hope they will also give some informations about combat experiences of Su-27SM3 in Syria. They are there longer time than MiG-29SMT.

I was under the impression they were there only for a short time....

medo wrote:I hope they will also give some informations about combat experiences of Su-27SM3 in Syria. They are there longer time than MiG-29SMT.

I think it would be if they gave us experience on a FOAB being used on that last pocket of ISIS in homs /deir

Cyberspec wrote:

medo wrote:I hope they will also give some informations about combat experiences of Su-27SM3 in Syria. They are there longer time than MiG-29SMT.

I was under the impression they were there only for a short time....

Mig-29 SMT and Su-27SM3 are there just to be tested against modern NATO planes IMHO. They probably train intercecption and test their radars and OLS against them to have a database of how capable they are against F-15/16/18 and rafales fully armed and not those clean versions that they encounter in the blatics.

They have 0 need for those fighters in Syria as they have enough more modern ones and it adds maintenance cost and labour because they are different fighter than Su-30/34 or Su-25.

Maybe they fited them with new detectors as test beds in real conditions. SMT is a big modernization so who knows what they did put in the ones they send there. Same for SM3.

Su-27SM3 is the same as Su-30M2 and it do air to air and air to ground missions in Syria. RuAF will have around 100 Su-27SM/SM3 in 20 Su-30M2 in armament, so test in Syria are quite important for them. There are clients, which use Su-30MK2 and they will be very interested in real combat experiences. Same is true for foreign Su-27 users, which could be interested in Su-27SM modernization or in Gefest SVP-24-33 upgrade package from Su-33.

MiG-29SMT experiences are more interesting for foreign MiG-29 users as MiG-29 is not really a backbone of RuAF as they are replaced by Su-30SM and in future with MiG-35.

medo wrote:Su-27SM3 is the same as Su-30M2 and it do air to air and air to ground missions in Syria. RuAF will have around 100 Su-27SM/SM3 in 20 Su-30M2 in armament, so test in Syria are quite important for them. There are clients, which use Su-30MK2 and they will be very interested in real combat experiences. Same is true for foreign Su-27 users, which could be interested in Su-27SM modernization or in Gefest SVP-24-33 upgrade package from Su-33.

MiG-29SMT experiences are more interesting for foreign MiG-29 users as MiG-29 is not really a backbone of RuAF as they are replaced by Su-30SM and in future with MiG-35.

Not really true.

Mig-29 is well known by everyone. No need to proove anything. Those who could have bought the SMT upgrade are India and Algeria. India has something similar so they already know what it can do and Algeria went for Su-30 so its potentiel market doesn't exist anymore.

Su-27SM3 won't be exported too because Sukhoi offers far better version of Su-30. Look how every countries are going for Su-30/35.

How many of them Russia has now ? Don't they want to replace all the 27 by 30sm/35. Last time I saw the numbers they had almost more Su-30/35 than 27. SM2 is btw better with the upgrade coming from -35 while SM3 it's an analogue of -30.

Isos wrote:

medo wrote:Su-27SM3 is the same as Su-30M2 and it do air to air and air to ground missions in Syria. RuAF will have around 100 Su-27SM/SM3 in 20 Su-30M2 in armament, so test in Syria are quite important for them. There are clients, which use Su-30MK2 and they will be very interested in real combat experiences. Same is true for foreign Su-27 users, which could be interested in Su-27SM modernization or in Gefest SVP-24-33 upgrade package from Su-33.

MiG-29SMT experiences are more interesting for foreign MiG-29 users as MiG-29 is not really a backbone of RuAF as they are replaced by Su-30SM and in future with MiG-35.

Not really true.

Mig-29 is well known by everyone. No need to proove anything. Those who could have bought the SMT upgrade are India and Algeria. India has something similar so they already know what it can do and Algeria went for Su-30 so its potentiel market doesn't exist anymore.

Su-27SM3 won't be exported too because Sukhoi offers far better version of Su-30. Look how every countries are going for Su-30/35.

How many of them Russia has now ? Don't they want to replace all the 27 by 30sm/35. Last time I saw the numbers they had almost more Su-30/35 than 27. SM2 is btw better with the upgrade coming from -35 while SM3 it's an analogue of -30.

Hmmmmmm Russia could sell the mig-29SMT to anyone it wants it's not limited to your suggestions. And nobody has seen the SMT in action in till now and SMT is much more than normal mig-29. And going by your reasoning that would mean they shouldn't have used su-24, su-25, tu-22m, tu-95, tu-160 as all are well known aircraft. It's pretty simple combat experience is much better than any training and to test the aircraft in desert climate and iron out any issues which it was stated by Russian MOD that Syrian conflict has provided much needed experience which has allowed them to fix any issues.

Hmmmmmm Russia could sell the mig-29SMT to anyone it wants it's not limited to your suggestions. And nobody has seen the SMT in action in till now and SMT is much more than normal mig-29. And going by your reasoning that would mean they shouldn't have used su-24, su-25, tu-22m, tu-95, tu-160 as all are well known aircraft. It's pretty simple combat experience is much better than any training and to test the aircraft in desert climate and iron out any issues which it was stated by Russian MOD that Syrian conflict has provided much needed experience which has allowed them to fix any issues.

Who will buy them ? Algeria rejected them. Most of the other countries that buy russian fighters buy sukhois or are in civil war and won't have money to buy them. That's not mmy suggestion, I am just realistic.

su-24, su-25, tu-22m, tu-95, tu-160 are bombers so it's normal to use them in big numbers for bombing mission ... Don't use my resoning to make said stupid things like that please.

I didn't agree with its statement saying it would be nice for potential export clients to see what the mig can do in Syria beccause in my opinion they have no future for export and its a waste of time. They should have bring the prototypes of Mig-35 with the AESA radar if they wanted to show what a mig can do, not the SMT that even the russian air force doesn't want to have...

But I agree if they send them just to test them it's ok. But if they want to show what they can do for export clients then it's a waste of time. Better show what Su-35 and Mig35 can do. They already sold some to export clients + with some nice results in syria = you find many more clients for them.

It's not about selling new SMTs, but upgrading existing ones. There are many users, who could upgrade them to SMT level like, Myanmar, Bangladesh, Iran, North Korea, Cuba, Sudan, ...

Su-30SM is not replacing Su-27, but replace MiG-29 in RuAF and Su-24 in Navy. Su-27 is slowly replaced by Su-35 and in future with Su-57 and in the mean time Su-27SM/SM3 will be an important part of air defense.

In the Yerevan military garrison, servicemen of the unit honored the memory of Hero of Russia, pilot Sulambek Oskanov, who saved civilians from death and led the plane away from the settlement. In conjunction with the armament is a MiG-29SM fighter, on the fuselage of which is named Hero. The command of the military unit on the occasion of the holiday held a "lesson of courage" with a young replenishment.

https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12154237@egNews

NOTE: This from the Ministry of Defense website. Apparently they considered the upgraded Mig-29S's sent to Armenia to be SM's.

franco wrote:In the Yerevan military garrison, servicemen of the unit honored the memory of Hero of Russia, pilot Sulambek Oskanov, who saved civilians from death and led the plane away from the settlement. In conjunction with the armament is a MiG-29SM fighter, on the fuselage of which is named Hero. The command of the military unit on the occasion of the holiday held a "lesson of courage" with a young replenishment.

https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12154237@egNews

NOTE: This from the Ministry of Defense website. Apparently they considered the upgraded Mig-29S's sent to Armenia to be SM's.

This is not a upgraded MiG-29 , is a 9.13C : RF-92262 https://russianplanes.net/id205603
This airplane received a MLU in 2016 but Russia dont have modernized any soviet MiG-29
Se supone que Yerevan irá con un escuadrón MiG-35 para reemplazar el MiG-29, aunque MiG-29SMT también podría ir

Isos wrote:

medo wrote:Su-27SM3 is the same as Su-30M2 and it do air to air and air to ground missions in Syria. RuAF will have around 100 Su-27SM/SM3 in 20 Su-30M2 in armament, so test in Syria are quite important for them. There are clients, which use Su-30MK2 and they will be very interested in real combat experiences. Same is true for foreign Su-27 users, which could be interested in Su-27SM modernization or in Gefest SVP-24-33 upgrade package from Su-33.

MiG-29SMT experiences are more interesting for foreign MiG-29 users as MiG-29 is not really a backbone of RuAF as they are replaced by Su-30SM and in future with MiG-35.

Not really true.

Mig-29 is well known by everyone. No need to proove anything. Those who could have bought the SMT upgrade are India and Algeria. India has something similar so they already know what it can do and Algeria went for Su-30 so its potentiel market doesn't exist anymore.

Su-27SM3 won't be exported too because Sukhoi offers far better version of Su-30. Look how every countries are going for Su-30/35.

How many of them Russia has now ? Don't they want to replace all the 27 by 30sm/35. Last time I saw the numbers they had almost more Su-30/35 than 27. SM2 is btw better with the upgrade coming from -35 while SM3 it's an analogue of -30.

The Su-27SM3 is an intermediate step between the Soviet Su-27 and the Su-35S , all of them the Air Defence fighters.
Su-30´s are an evolution of Su-27UB two seater for air strike role. In fact in the Navy will have the role of Naval Assault replacing the fighter-bomber Su-24M
Su-27 are a different concept for different role that Su-30SM , a strike fighter of figther-bomber for the frontal aviation, repalcing the much less capable MiG-29
Su-30M2 is a combat trainer and probably the final destination is the instrutions bases.

The only reason why Russia bought a squadron of Su-27SM3 in 2009 (KnAAPO surplus of Chinese Su-27SK contract)  is that the Su-35S production was not ready at this time , and it was needed aircraft for Krymsk before the withdrawal due to obsolescence of almost all aircraft of this base. In fact today only has 14 Su-27SM and 4 Su-27P that have repaired to fill the gap.
If the Su-35S production had been ready only one year before, Russia would not have one dozen of Su-27SM3 , only Su-35S , at least one dozen more

Russia will not have 100 Su-27SM/SM3
there are 46 Su-27SM and only 36 in use at now (3 sq.). Probably the other 10 SM´s will be repaired , and together with the two Su-27SM3 that were prepared in 2013-2014 to cover the accidents of 2 Su-27SM in 2010 and 2011, they will have a fourth  squadron of modernized aircraft, but Russia does not need more.
In 2020 will have 7 sq, of Su-35 , one of Su-27SM3 and 4 of Su-27SM


By 2025 the entire Flanker fleet (12 squadrons) will be Su-35S and the Su-27 will be all retired.
Probably only in the Navy is necesary one more squadron, but with repair one dozen of Su-27P is enough for the moment.

Isos wrote:

Hmmmmmm Russia could sell the mig-29SMT to anyone it wants it's not limited to your suggestions. And nobody has seen the SMT in action in till now and SMT is much more than normal mig-29. And going by your reasoning that would mean they shouldn't have used su-24, su-25, tu-22m, tu-95, tu-160 as all are well known aircraft. It's pretty simple combat experience is much better than any training and to test the aircraft in desert climate and iron out any issues which it was stated by Russian MOD that Syrian conflict has provided much needed experience which has allowed them to fix any issues.

Who will buy them ? Algeria rejected them. Most of the other countries that buy russian fighters buy sukhois or are in civil war and won't have money to buy them. That's not mmy suggestion, I am just realistic.

su-24, su-25, tu-22m, tu-95, tu-160 are bombers so it's normal to use them in big numbers for bombing mission ... Don't use my resoning to make said stupid things like that please.

I didn't agree with its statement saying it would be nice for potential export clients to see what the mig can do in Syria beccause in my opinion they have no future for export and its a waste of time. They should have bring the prototypes of Mig-35 with the AESA radar if they wanted to show what a mig can do, not the SMT that even the russian air force doesn't want to have...

But I agree if they send them just to test them it's ok. But if they want to show what they can do for export clients then it's a waste of time. Better show what Su-35 and Mig35 can do. They already sold some to export clients + with some nice results in syria = you find many more clients for them.

I didn't do anything wrong quoted what you said which was (including spelling mistake )
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Mig-29 is well known by everyone. No need to proove anything.  "

There is still plenty of countries looking for cheaper aircraft who have no hope in buying mig-35. Or any other aircraft. Argentina has shown interest for instance. South and central American countries and African countries who are not aligned under the western boot its most likely there only option and I highly doubt mig would turn down any sales of mig-29SMT /M. And I am sure if mig-35 was ready they would have tested but it isn't.  The mig-29SMT is the closest thing to it in Russian arsenal although quite a difference. I still think that they should have tested an armed yak-130 but it's still having some problems and not for Russia's sake but for export market. The mig-29SMT/M and yak-130 fits into a small niche market and Russia wants to be a one stop shop for customers they don't want to lose sales when they have a product for that niche market. Only niche they haven't fulfilled and unlikely to enter is the armed turbo prop but that seems to be dominated by super tucano which is good at what it does. sales taken away from western companies all the better I say. And you have to remember that there's around 15 countries that already use mig-29 that all still have friendly relations with Russia with some of them being african who will face a surge of ISIS shortly. And I wouldn't be surprised if India ends up buying more or buying older migs and upgrading them like they did with Malaysia when the Tejas delay starts effecting it's airforce capability

i wonder if we will have any new MiG-29SMT order for VKS

George1 wrote:i wonder if we will have any new MiG-29SMT order for VKS

It's been mentioned in the media but I doubt it would be a large number if it happened

George1 wrote:i wonder if we will have any new MiG-29SMT order for VKS

Don't see it with the Mig-35 coming.

So lovely aircraft

Crews of MiG-29SMT fighters returned to the airfield of permanent basing in the Astrakhan region. The pilots carried out the flight from the airfield of Khmeimim after successful fulfillment of tasks in the territory of the Syrian Arab Republic

On December 11, Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin, addressing servicemen at the airbase of Khmeimim, ordered the Russian Defense Minister General of the Army Sergei Shoigu to withdraw the Russian group from the Syrian Arab Republic.

HMEYMIM (Syria), December 7. /TASS/. Russia’s Mikoyan MiG-29SMT fighter jets successfully fighting terrorists in Syria will test new and promising aircraft weapons, Chief Designer of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) Sergei Korotkov said on Thursday.


MiG military aircraft: 110 years since the birth of Soviet designer Artem Mikoyan
"The program of developing MiG-29SMT planes will be continued, including for the purpose of checking effective destruction by new and promising armament systems. The experience gained in Syria will be taken into account during the operation of these aircraft, and will also be introduced as part of the work to develop new MiG aviation platforms, including the MiG-35," the chief designer said.
A batch of MiG-29SMT aircraft was sent to the Hmeymim air base in Syria in September for testing, the chief designer said. Korotkov is heading the UAC’s delegation at the Hmeymim air base to analyze the results of using these aviation complexes in the Russian air task force’s operation in Syria.
"The participation of new aviation complexes in sorties makes it possible to confirm their reliability and efficiency and assess the operation of onboard radio-electronic equipment and armament," the chief designer said.

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Russia stands by promise to deliver six
Over two months and a half of their operation, the MiG-29SMTs have carried out over 140 sorties, accomplishing the missions of destroying terrorists’ infrastructure. As the UAC chief designer said, MiG-29SMT aircraft "performed the combat assignments of hitting terrorists’ bases autonomously and also jointly with Su-34 and Su-35 planes." He added that MiG-29SMT had also accomplished missions to escort Tupolev Tu-22M3 strategic missile bombers.
"The MiG-29SMT has shown mobility and simplicity in operation while demonstrating high combat efficiency. The check of combat capabilities of the modernized MiG-29SMT frontline fighter has confirmed the workability of the regimes of using aircraft bombs, smart bombs and air-to-surface missiles with the accuracies complying with the technical specifications for the aviation complex and also surpassing them," the chief designer said.


More:
http://tass.com/defense/979702

Mig-35 production starts Januari 2018.
https://rg.ru/2017/12/26/reg-cfo/proizvodstvo-mig-35-nachnetsia-v-ianvare.html