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MiG-29/ΜiG-35 Fulcrum: News
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The Sokol plant has announced that it has completed the upgrade of the production facilities and is ready for production of MiG-35's...
https://politros.com/120155-zavershena-modernizaciya-zavoda-kotoryi-budet-vypuskat-istrebiteli-mig-35
https://politros.com/120155-zavershena-modernizaciya-zavoda-kotoryi-budet-vypuskat-istrebiteli-mig-35
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http://mil.today/2018/Weapons10/
The Radioelectronic Technologies Concern KRET has adapted the new deck-landing system BINS-SP-2 to the MiG-35 fighters, a top-ranking official of the company told Mil.Press Today.
"All works under adaptation of our system to the Russia’s newest warplane successfully ended; as for today, BINS-SP-2 has passed the trials", he said. The system will not only improve performance of the jets but make them capable to land on decks of aircraft-carrying ships, added the interviewee.
Along with that, according to an informed insider of Mil.Press Today, deck-based version of MiG-35 does not exist yet, and its creation is not a priority for the Russian defense ministry.
Theoretically, the newest Russian fighter MiG-35 can be used as the deck-based jet for aircraft-carrying cruisers, said deputy defense minister Yury Borisov at the MAKS-2017 international aerospace show answering the question of Mil.Press Today. As for him, if Russian aircraft industry offers the deck-based version of the new fighter, defense ministry "will be happy to consider such a proposal".
However, the Russian Aircraft Corporation MiG has not focused on designing of the MiG-35’s deck-based version yet, said the company’s director Ilya Tarasenko at the Army-2017 forum.
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Good picture for wallpaper found on mig-29 page on Facebook. Mig-29SMT from Russian air force in formation.
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The Strizhi "Swifts" air group is one of the first to receive the newest MiG-35 fighters, said Lieutenant-General Andrey Yudin, Deputy Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Air Defense Committee, adding that the fighters will arrive at the Kubinka airbase after the state tests. Currently, the group is piloted on MiG-29 fighters It is planned to retrain the pilots of the Strizhi air group to the MiG-35 fighter. The state tests of the aircraft are now being completed. After their completion, the newest vehicles will be used by the squadron of the aerobatic team "Strizhi" - he said
Yudin said that the very first MiG-35 will receive the State Flight Test Center in Akhtubinsk, then the plane will go to the Lipetsk Air Center, which includes the Kubinka airbase.
The Air Force commander also said that the pilots of the "Russian Knights" air group had fully mastered the Su-30SM fighters.
Su-30SM is a 4+ generation aircraft, which has very high combat characteristics, including aerobatics. To date, "Russian Knights" fully mastered this fighter, the pilots are already performing in addition to group flight six, pairing and counter-piloting
, - said Yudin.
Yudin said that the very first MiG-35 will receive the State Flight Test Center in Akhtubinsk, then the plane will go to the Lipetsk Air Center, which includes the Kubinka airbase.
The Air Force commander also said that the pilots of the "Russian Knights" air group had fully mastered the Su-30SM fighters.
Su-30SM is a 4+ generation aircraft, which has very high combat characteristics, including aerobatics. To date, "Russian Knights" fully mastered this fighter, the pilots are already performing in addition to group flight six, pairing and counter-piloting
, - said Yudin.
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Interview with Robert Hierl on the MiG-29 Fulcrum
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With the limited numbers of MiG-35 ordered so far, and with Strizhi being the ones to get them first, doesn't that imply that MiG-35 is sort of unwanted by the MoD? If it was otherwise, wouldn't MoD use them in frontline combat units?
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eridan wrote:With the limited numbers of MiG-35 ordered so far, and with Strizhi being the ones to get them first, doesn't that imply that MiG-35 is sort of unwanted by the MoD? If it was otherwise, wouldn't MoD use them in frontline combat units?
Mig-35 was specially designed for export. Russians have the bigger Su-30 and Su-35 which has longer legs and can carry more than Mig-35 so sukhois can do everything the mig can but with better specificatioon for russian army. Su-57 is just far away better in everything than mig-35. For their big country Sukhois are far better.
The order of the first Mig-35s is to boost its export potentiel. IF lot of countries buy it I don't think Russian air force will order that much. They will keep money for Su-57 and they have already Su-30 and Su-35 orders.
Mig-41 is also expected for some years to be operational so they will have also to buy this one to replace mig-31.
Mig-29/35 are not the priority.
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The MiG-29´s of the Strizihi team are old. Really old. They need a replacement.
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Hole wrote:The MiG-29´s of the Strizihi team are old. Really old. They need a replacement.
All MiG-29s are kinda old, but most are not older than your average F-15C/D/E.
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Hole wrote:The MiG-29´s of the Strizihi team are old. Really old. They need a replacement.
deck fighter for Kuznetsov could be option too. This might help both export and Indian contract.
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GunshipDemocracy wrote:Hole wrote:The MiG-29´s of the Strizihi team are old. Really old. They need a replacement.
deck fighter for Kuznetsov could be option too. This might help both export and Indian contract.
mig 35 is capable of lansing and takinf off from K. I gave posted a link here. You can see it in this thread go back 1 page or two.
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KiloGolf wrote:Hole wrote:The MiG-29´s of the Strizihi team are old. Really old. They need a replacement.
All MiG-29s are kinda old, but most are not older than your average F-15C/D/E.
Sure, but there is a difference between flying around a little bit and high class aerobatics.
I´m pretty sure in the long run the VKS will replace the 100 - 150 MiG-29S/SMT with the MiG-35. All large air forces in the world got a mix of heavy/light aircraft. Russia will be no difference. But it´s not the highest priority.
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Austin wrote:Interview with Robert Hierl on the MiG-29 Fulcrum
Long but very interesting interview, thanks for posting. I was surprised to see what a good opinion the western Germany pilots had of the plane and that they lobbied to save it from scrapping, arguing it was the best fighter they had at that time. He mentions expected things like manoeuvrability, simplicity and ease of use but also others like huge excess power, safety and forgiveness that one may no link to the plane. Apparently the helmet sight for IR missiles was an absolute overkill in close combat. The guy is an ace and Eurofighter test pilot, so no ignorant in modern aircraft.
After listening to the guy makes even more sense that the Russians have created the MiG-35 around the same excellent airframe but addressing the issues of the original plane: crude avionics, specially regarding BVR combat, and fuel consumption / range. The plane should be a bargain for smaller air forces, a pity that many have grown wary after apparently many support issues and also that so many planers out there feel too important to do without a stealth fighter
Do you happen to know the cost of the plane for export?
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Most of them will end up with either bs chinese 5th generation fighters or very little real ones like f-35. They still will need mig-35 like fighter which are far cheaper to operate.LMFS wrote:, a pity that many have grown wary after apparently many support issues and also that so many planers out there feel too important to do without a stealth fighter Rolling Eyes
Do you happen to know the cost of the plane for export?
It should be around 40-45 million.
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Isos wrote: mig 35 is capable of lansing and takinf off from K. I gave posted a link here. You can see it in this thread go back 1 page or two.
I am sure it is, the question is : will they replace MiGs-29K with 35s? Could make Kuz more potent CV.
As for new CVN ti will be too obsolete
I hope some LMFS will replace it in this role. I dont see MiG-35 in 2030s as main striking force of Russian fleet. Isos wrote:
Most of them will end up with either bs chinese 5th generation fighters or very little real ones like f-35. They still will need mig-35 like fighter which are far cheaper to operate.
I am afraid we know too little to call Chinese fighters BS.
In February alst year there were several press articles abut successor of MiG-35. Rogozin said that MiG is actually working on LMFS. Rogozin now is replaced by Borisov. Let's wait what he is going to say?
AiR&Cosmos also published a drawing by Piotr Butowski regarding possible look of MiG LMFS:
and here model of Yak-201 (LFI proposal) STOL. Wait, wait Borisov ? didnt he want V/STOL fighter ?
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Thanks for the estimation Isos, that would be quite reasonable. Roughly half the price of a Rafale which is not twice as effective even in Dassaults wildest dreams.Isos wrote:
Most of them will end up with either bs chinese 5th generation fighters or very little real ones like f-35. They still will need mig-35 like fighter which are far cheaper to operate.
It should be around 40-45 million.
Maybe after losing 10 years and the shirt trying to develop (!) themselves a 5th gen. fighter some countries end up buying cheap MiGs that are readily available to plug holes in their air forces, who knows. The FC-31 looks like a "blockbuster" kind of export product, but I remain sceptic regarding a plane which is supposed to be cheap and stealth at the same time. The stealth-mania could last shorter than thought
Thanks for the confidenceGunshipDemocracy wrote:
I hope some LMFS will replace it in this role.
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LMFS wrote:Thanks for the confidenceGunshipDemocracy wrote:
I hope some LMFS will replace it in this role.
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The MiG-35/-35D is a development of the MiG-29M/-29M2, which has 80% commonality with the MiG-29K/-29KUB.
The Russian Navy got a choice, either fit a hook to the MiG-35 and call it MiG-35K or wait until the new electronics are mature and fit them into the MiG-29K and call it MiG-29KM.
The Russian Navy got a choice, either fit a hook to the MiG-35 and call it MiG-35K or wait until the new electronics are mature and fit them into the MiG-29K and call it MiG-29KM.
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Well they have a lot of time so better let the VVS iron out all the bugs of the -35s before making any decisionHole wrote:The MiG-35/-35D is a development of the MiG-29M/-29M2, which has 80% commonality with the MiG-29K/-29KUB.
The Russian Navy got a choice, either fit a hook to the MiG-35 and call it MiG-35K or wait until the new electronics are mature and fit them into the MiG-29K and call it MiG-29KM.
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Long but very interesting interview, thanks for posting. I was surprised to see what a good opinion the western Germany pilots had of the plane and that they lobbied to save it from scrapping, arguing it was the best fighter they had at that time. He mentions expected things like manoeuvrability, simplicity and ease of use but also others like huge excess power, safety and forgiveness that one may no link to the plane. Apparently the helmet sight for IR missiles was an absolute overkill in close combat. The guy is an ace and Eurofighter test pilot, so no ignorant in modern aircraft.
Even more so when you consider the changes they made to what was essentially a MiG-29B export to WARSAW PACT allies model, were intended to reduce operational costs like derating the engine etc, when they could have gone with an SMT upgrade to reduce operating costs by 40% without derating the engines, but also greatly increasing internal fuel capacity and the range of weapons it could use.
The model MiG-29 they had could only use the R-60, the R-73 and the R-27R model AAMs.
Note it was not compatible with the R-27T IR guided missile nor the longer range R-27ER and ET missiles, let alone R-77...
The Russian Navy got a choice, either fit a hook to the MiG-35 and call it MiG-35K or wait until the new electronics are mature and fit them into the MiG-29K and call it MiG-29KM.
I would assume the whole idea of making the MiG-35 carrier capable was to be able to operate it from carriers... which would require folding wings and tail hooks.
Otherwise what would be the point?
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Can the new engines be mounted on mig-35 ? Regarding their size ?
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The MiG-35 has the same wing als the MiG-29K, missing the folding mechanism. A shipborne version could easily be developed.
Isos was talking about the possibility of the MiG-35 to land on a carrier.
Isos was talking about the possibility of the MiG-35 to land on a carrier.
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You mean, Su-57 engines on a MiG-35? No way, they are just too big for that.Isos wrote:Can the new engines be mounted on mig-35 ? Regarding their size ?
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The guy in the interview reports that the radar screen was a mess, not being really easy to understand what was happening in BVRGarryB wrote:Even more so when you consider the changes they made to what was essentially a MiG-29B export to WARSAW PACT allies model, were intended to reduce operational costs like derating the engine etc, when they could have gone with an SMT upgrade to reduce operating costs by 40% without derating the engines, but also greatly increasing internal fuel capacity and the range of weapons it could use.
The model MiG-29 they had could only use the R-60, the R-73 and the R-27R model AAMs.
Note it was not compatible with the R-27T IR guided missile nor the longer range R-27ER and ET missiles, let alone R-77...
Thanks for the info!