The Situation in the Ukraine. #16

flamming_python wrote:You should be happy; they de-facto accepted that the Crimea is no longer their territory.

Nikander wrote:I can't believe that people here are constantly replying to this Flagship clown. The guy supports ISIS and AI-Qaeda in Syria and you think that he's on the side of Russia here? He is such an obvious Bandera troll that it's unbelievable how many times have most of you fallen for his bait. He needs to be ignored just like Karl the Finn and any other troll. And it's not hard to see who is trolling, you just need to read with focus and over time clear clues will appear that will expose the troll.

auslander wrote:

Nikander wrote:I can't believe that people here are constantly replying to this Flagship clown. The guy supports ISIS and AI-Qaeda in Syria and you think that he's on the side of Russia here? He is such an obvious Bandera troll that it's unbelievable how many times have most of you fallen for his bait. He needs to be ignored just like Karl the Finn and any other troll. And it's not hard to see who is trolling, you just need to read with focus and over time clear clues will appear that will expose the troll.

I read him and a couple others quite some time ago, that is why he has the coveted Sophia Ignore Trophy.

Nikander wrote:

auslander wrote:

Nikander wrote:I can't believe that people here are constantly replying to this Flagship clown. The guy supports ISIS and AI-Qaeda in Syria and you think that he's on the side of Russia here? He is such an obvious Bandera troll that it's unbelievable how many times have most of you fallen for his bait. He needs to be ignored just like Karl the Finn and any other troll. And it's not hard to see who is trolling, you just need to read with focus and over time clear clues will appear that will expose the troll.

I read him and a couple others quite some time ago, that is why he has the coveted Sophia Ignore Trophy.

Yes, you my friend and a couple of others didn't get fooled but for some reason others seem to fall for his shit all the time. That includes some of the best posters here like Vann, Flamming, sepheronx...

Flagship Victory wrote:You know what? I'm all ears. I'd like to hear your opinion about Putin's action. If I were Putin, I'd arm NAF with Kornet missiles and fight to Kiev, arrest Poroshenko. Why? Because you cannot negotiate with Maidan. NAF does not lack manpower. Before Maidan coup, the ousted Party of Regions and Communists had majority of votes. What NAF lacks is foreign support. I'd like to hear what would you do if you were Putin.

I'm not criticizing Putin. But I will be blunt. If Russia were the west, Putin would have been removed from office. The west will never tolerate a genocide of our people right on our border.

There is a good Chinese saying.  打狗欺主. Beat a dog and you humiliate the dog's owner. Sure, eastern Ukrainians are not Russians by nationality, but they are Russians by ethnicity. Shelling ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine serves nothing but humiliate Russia.

Putin says he will not solve the Ukraine problem. Seriously?

http://www.dw.com/en/only-the-west-can-solve-ukraine-crisis-says-putin/a-18527144

Flagship Victory wrote:I'm not criticizing Putin. But I must warn you, I think Putin suffers from some syndrome that makes him out of touch with reality. I quote what he recently says about Syria.

Our fear is that Syria could plunge into the same situation as Libya and Iraq," Putin said in response to questions at Russia's annual economic forum in St Petersburg.

"We don't want that ... in Syria."

http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Sisi-expects-Assad-regime-in-Syria-to-fall-at-any-moment-406617

WHAT? dunno Syria is already way worse than Libya and Iraq. Even people on PDF says Putin is out of touch with reality.

The people of Donbas picked a hellova time to rebel. They never should have put their lives at risk.

gregoire wrote:I am not "Putins" physician, same as you.  In your mind Syria is way worse then Libya and Iraq but I disagree. Maybe you should do a bit of digging and find some more truths surrounding the situation in Syria. It is complex but you might enjoy it.
The people in Donbass were already on the brink of destruction. What would you do if you had the choice; seeing your wife and daughter raped in front of you eyes, shot and buried, then you tortured, sodomised, shot and buried and this for everyone in a 20 miles radius. I bet you'd fight if there was a shot at survival or dignity.

Flagship Victory wrote:I'm not criticizing Putin.

flamming_python wrote:The Ukraine, even under its illegal government, is nontheless under no obligation to supply water to another country; or am I wrong?

flamming_python wrote:Same thing with the pensions, financial transactions, transport, electricity, water, etc... blockade on the Donbass.

flamming_python wrote:It's not very humanitarian or nice, but blockades are very standard practise for countries at war.

BKP wrote:

Flagship Victory wrote:I'm not criticizing Putin.

Flagship Victory wrote:I'm not criticizing Putin.

Flagship Victory wrote:

BKP wrote:

Flagship Victory wrote:I'm not criticizing Putin.

When Putins says Syria, where hundreds of thousands died, millions homeless, everything in ruins COULD become like Libya were only a few thousand died, I shudder to think what Putin thinks of Donbas, where nearly 7,000 already died. Putin probably still thinks Donetsk is like Moscow. Putin should take a trip to Donetsk and see for himself. Maybe that way he'll know what is reality, what is fantasy.

Novorossia Today wrote:More than three thousand people gave an oath of loyalty to the Republic in Donetsk
on: June 21, 2015

About three thousand people gave an oath of loyalty to the Donetsk People’s Republic in the capital of the DPR today. The ceremony was attended by Vice-Speaker of the People’s Council of the DPR Denis Pushilin, representatives of public movement “The Donetsk Republic”, sportsmen, volunteers, Donetsk dwellers and guests of the capital.

The festivity was dedicated to the anniversary of the first oath of the people’s militiamen. Today in commemoration of this event the citizens swore “to defend the Motherland fro the enemies, to strictly abide by the laws, safeguard peace and remember the heroic deeds of the troopers, who gave their lives for their native land, and also to be loyal to Donbass”.

There were many children among the participants of the event. Each child was presented with an ice-cream and balloons in the colour of the Republican flag. Continue reading.

Суть Времени wrote:Texas brought humanitarian aid to wk 28. Humanitarian aid for school TV SV-28 DNR Issue 490

Flagship Victory wrote:

gregoire wrote:I am not "Putins" physician, same as you.  In your mind Syria is way worse then Libya and Iraq but I disagree. Maybe you should do a bit of digging and find some more truths surrounding the situation in Syria. It is complex but you might enjoy it.
The people in Donbass were already on the brink of destruction. What would you do if you had the choice; seeing your wife and daughter raped in front of you eyes, shot and buried, then you tortured, sodomised, shot and buried and this for everyone in a 20 miles radius. I bet you'd fight if there was a shot at survival or dignity.

Let's do a little math shall we? How many died in Libya? A few thousand. How many died in Syria? Hundreds of thousands. Economy destroyed. Country destroyed. Millions of refugees. When Putin says Syria might become like Libya, he would have been diagnosed as clinically insane in the west. It is fortunate for Putin that he is a Russian and not a westerner. Here in the west, it is very harsh to politicians.

PapaDragon wrote:This is the Army Mr. Holhol....  


Farewell to Arms: Over 10,000 Soldiers Desert Ukrainian Army

Desertion galore: Ukrainian men understand the absurdity of the war their government is waging.

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150621/1023647747.html

More than 10,000 cases of desertion have been registered in the Ukrainian Army since the outbreak of the Donbass war in April 2014, Ukrainian Vesti reported.

In 2014 the army suffered heavy desertion and nearly 30 percent of the servicemen called up in the first wave of mobilization (March 17) abandoned their positions, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said.

Ukrainian parliament Verkhovna Rada has announced six waves of mobilization so far. By the end of 2014 the strength of Ukrainian Armed Forces grew from 130,000 to 232,000.

Ukrainians have been protesting against the mobilization. They travel to work abroad or simply reside at their relatives' in other countries. Almost 1,3 million Ukrainian draftees live in Russia.

Since April 7, 2014 the Kiev authorities have been waging war against Donbass self-defense forces who rejected the legitimacy of the coup-imposed Ukrainian government and declared the independent republics of Donetsk and Lugansk.

Official figures estimate the number of victims to near 6,500. But the German intelligence reported of 50,000 victims in February 2015.

Although I think that 10.000 might be underreporting it...

Flagship Victory wrote:Lithuania has started arming Maidan. Lithuania recently bought hundreds of Javelin anti tank missiles from the US on IMF money, so it is likely the US is supplying Javelin anti tank missiles to Maidan by way of Lithuania rather than directly from the US.

http://uatoday.tv/politics/lithuania-to-become-first-country-to-arm-ukraine-against-russia-442955.html

The only Russian missile that can counter Javelin is Kornet, which NAF does not have at the moment.

Ivan the Colorado wrote:Lithuania will not send Ukraine any Javelins rest assured. Those FGM-148s are meant for Lithuania to counter Russian tanks rolling over their own borders and the Lithuanian Government is convinced this will happen so they are not giving up their most prized weapons to deal with the older tanks in the NAF's service which is mostly comprised of T-64s and T-72s. Expect small arms from the Lithuanians.