Iraqi Army

iraqidabab wrote:I doubt it's RPG, hitting a helicopter with that is extremely hard, in no video ( and there are many ) has the MI-35 been seen hovering, it has been on the move and in high altitude in every video. That leaves Igla and Strela, ISIS has captured many from Syria.

The defense upgrades are needed, let's see whether MoD will understand, perhaps Russia-Iraq will speak about the downing of this MI-35 and they will be told about the upgrades.

WASHINGTON, Oct. 5, 2014 – U.S. military forces continued to attack ISIL terrorists in Syria yesterday and today, using fighter aircraft to conduct three airstrikes.
Separately, in Iraq U.S. military forces used helicopters and attack, bomber, and fighter aircraft to conduct six airstrikes against ISIL in Iraq.
In Syria, one strike northwest of Al Mayadin destroyed an ISIL bulldozer, two ISIL tanks and destroyed another ISIL vehicle. Two strikes northwest of Ar Raqqah struck a large ISIL unit and destroyed six ISIL firing positions. To conduct these strikes, the U.S. employed fighter aircraft deployed to the U.S. Central Command area of operations. All aircraft departed the strike areas safely.
In Iraq, four strikes northeast of Fallujah struck two mortar teams, a large ISIL unit and two small ISIL units. One strike southeast of Hit destroyed two ISIL Humvees. One strike northeast of Sinjar destroyed an ISIL Humvee. To conduct these strikes, the U.S. employed helicopters and attack, bomber, fighter aircraft deployed to the U.S. Central Command area of operations. All aircraft departed the strike areas safely.
The U.S. strikes were conducted as part of President Barack Obama's comprehensive strategy to degrade and destroy ISIL. The destruction and degradation of ISIL targets in Syria and Iraq further limits the terrorist group's ability to lead, control, project power and conduct operations.

Werewolf wrote:

iraqidabab wrote:^^ you can't see personnel and MANPADS when flying over cities, it's easy in the open desert though.

the US is now flying Apaches in Anbar from Baghdad airport, wonder what protection they have against Strela/Igla, though quite sure they operate it at night to make it hard for the terrorists.

http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=123346

WASHINGTON, Oct. 5, 2014 – U.S. military forces continued to attack ISIL terrorists in Syria yesterday and today, using fighter aircraft to conduct three airstrikes.
Separately, in Iraq U.S. military forces used helicopters and attack, bomber, and fighter aircraft to conduct six airstrikes against ISIL in Iraq.
In Syria, one strike northwest of Al Mayadin destroyed an ISIL bulldozer, two ISIL tanks and destroyed another ISIL vehicle. Two strikes northwest of Ar Raqqah struck a large ISIL unit and destroyed six ISIL firing positions. To conduct these strikes, the U.S. employed fighter aircraft deployed to the U.S. Central Command area of operations. All aircraft departed the strike areas safely.
In Iraq, four strikes northeast of Fallujah struck two mortar teams, a large ISIL unit and two small ISIL units. One strike southeast of Hit destroyed two ISIL Humvees. One strike northeast of Sinjar destroyed an ISIL Humvee. To conduct these strikes, the U.S. employed helicopters and attack, bomber, fighter aircraft deployed to the U.S. Central Command area of operations. All aircraft departed the strike areas safely.
The U.S. strikes were conducted as part of President Barack Obama's comprehensive strategy to degrade and destroy ISIL. The destruction and degradation of ISIL targets in Syria and Iraq further limits the terrorist group's ability to lead, control, project power and conduct operations.

The funny thing about US and their Apaches is they are all without MAWS which are necessary to track incoming MANPADS, there are only around 90 AMASE pods of which only a low percentage have DIRCMs and only 4 out of 16 RF squadrons have MAW sensors installed via AMASE pods, that leaves them to usually fly missions at night like you said.

iraqidabab wrote:I doubt it's RPG, hitting a helicopter with that is extremely hard, in no video ( and there are many ) has the MI-35 been seen hovering, it has been on the move and in high altitude in every video. That leaves Igla and Strela, ISIS has captured many from Syria.

Werewolf wrote:

iraqidabab wrote:Looks more like US Apache then MI-28

Hard to tell.

Werewolf wrote:

Mike E wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

iraqidabab wrote:Looks more like US Apache then MI-28

Hard to tell.

Yep, but its wide tail is reminiscent of the Apache...

Iraq would be wise to equip their Mi-28/35's first with President-S or at least equip them with MAWS integrated to automatic flare dispensing before risking more helicopters and soldiers and not to rush into battle.