EU Refugee & Migrant Crisis

how can we support Turkey's bid for inclusion in EE when this country is responsible for migration crisis?

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151022/1028949274/turkish-eu-bid-migration-crisis.html

**chews popcorn**

So I've been away for a while. How's the Muslim invasion of Europe coming along then?

flamming_python wrote:**chews popcorn**

So I've been away for a while. How's the Muslim invasion of Europe coming along then?

It's going great actually, (if one was to rejoice at other's misfortune, not a practice I am prone to) Austrian gun stores are all out of guns, the Swedish government is trying desperately to cover up the scourge of rapes rapidly spreading across the country, Germans have just gone straight for outright hate crimes here and there, Hungary is still trying to stem the tide of refugees, with force if necessary, the Brits are still bending over to pick up the dropped soap on the shower floor (that's in-between having sex with dead pigs) and Muslim kids are (allegedly) walking out of Australian classrooms when it comes time to sing ye old anthem.

So the invasion of the invaders is in full swing, and the Western Press is trying to point the finger at everything and everyone except Big Brother across the Atlantic. Maybe, just maybe, there is a hint of growing resentment for the establishment.

OminousSpudd wrote:

flamming_python wrote:**chews popcorn**

So I've been away for a while. How's the Muslim invasion of Europe coming along then?

It's going great actually, (if one was to rejoice at other's misfortune, not a practice I am prone to) Austrian gun stores are all out of guns, the Swedish government is trying desperately to cover up the scourge of rapes rapidly spreading across the country, Germans have just gone straight for outright hate crimes here and there, Hungary is still trying to stem the tide of refugees, with force if necessary, the Brits are still bending over to pick up the dropped soap on the shower floor (that's in-between having sex with dead pigs) and Muslim kids are (allegedly) walking out of Australian classrooms when it comes time to sing ye old anthem.

So the invasion of the invaders is in full swing, and the Western Press is trying to point the finger at everything and everyone except Big Brother across the Atlantic. Maybe, just maybe, there is a hint of growing resentment for the establishment.

Right, well

flamming_python wrote:

OminousSpudd wrote:

flamming_python wrote:**chews popcorn**

So I've been away for a while. How's the Muslim invasion of Europe coming along then?

It's going great actually, (if one was to rejoice at other's misfortune, not a practice I am prone to) Austrian gun stores are all out of guns, the Swedish government is trying desperately to cover up the scourge of rapes rapidly spreading across the country, Germans have just gone straight for outright hate crimes here and there, Hungary is still trying to stem the tide of refugees, with force if necessary, the Brits are still bending over to pick up the dropped soap on the shower floor (that's in-between having sex with dead pigs) and Muslim kids are (allegedly) walking out of Australian classrooms when it comes time to sing ye old anthem.

So the invasion of the invaders is in full swing, and the Western Press is trying to point the finger at everything and everyone except Big Brother across the Atlantic. Maybe, just maybe, there is a hint of growing resentment for the establishment.

Right, well

Indeed, and if that fails blame China.

European Commission Predicts 3Mln Refugees Will Enter EU by End of 2017

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151105/1029652929/europe-3-million-refugees.html#ixzz3qdCu5JHf

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/78-migrants-rescued-from-stranded-wooden-boat-off-greece-34172644.html

78 migrants rescued from stranded wooden boat off Greece

Booster wrote:
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/78-migrants-rescued-from-stranded-wooden-boat-off-greece-34172644.html

78 migrants rescued from stranded wooden boat off Greece

Yes. These incidents are daily routine in Greece

How can Russia use, this to their advantage? Can this be used to divide the and break the EU?

par far wrote:How can Russia use, this to their advantage? Can this be used to divide the and break the EU?

There is no need to.  They are doing it to themselves!

EU summit approves idea of creating supranational border guard agency — Tusk

BRUSSELS, December 18. /TASS/. The European Union summit had approved the idea of the establishment of a supranational border guard agency, European Council President Donald Tusk said on Friday after the first day of the summit meeting.

Without the protection of the external borders the EU will fail as a political community. But today there is cause for optimism because all the leaders have agreed to protect the external borders. In this connection it has been decided to urgently consider the proposal on the establishment of the border guard agency, he said.

"In my view, the most important discussion today was on the EU's external borders. Not only because I have been advocating external border control from the very beginning of this crisis, but also because without it we will fail as a political community," Tusk said. "And by that I mean potentially more serious consequences than dismantling Schengen. Tonight, we can be a bit more optimistic, because all leaders have agreed to protect Schengen," he said.

"In this context, we agreed to rapidly examine the European Commission's proposal of strengthening the EU's external borders, including the European Border Guard idea. Ministers should adopt their position by July, but the leaders' broad acceptance means that in the future Europe will not remain vulnerable because the Schengen border is insufficiently protected," Tusk said.

According to him, "This evening I have also received good news from Frontex about an agreement with Greece on deploying a Rapid Border Intervention Team already in December. This is yet another indication that we have started to move in the right direction when it comes to the protection of the external border.".

Over 100,000 Migrants Arrive in Greece, Italy in Under Two Months

About 110,000 migrants and refugees arrived in Greece and Italy in the first two months of 2016, the International Organization for Migration (IOM) said in a press release on Tuesday.

MOSCOW (Sputnik) — In 2015, the number of arrivals to Europe reached 100,000 only in July, according to the IOM.

Greece received the largest number of migrants, with around 102,500 people arriving on its shores since the start of the year, while some 43,000 of them reached the Greek islands in February alone, the press release said.

Italy has received some 7,500 migrants so far this year, which is roughly the same number as in 2015, according to the organization.

A total of 413 migrants are estimated to have died en route to Europe this year, the press release said.

Cutting Ties?

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160223/1035210338/greece-italy-migrants.html#ixzz40zkfETt5

These migrants should be apprehended and subsequently deported back to the Middle East.

The funny part is even today European governments are unable to understand that the US is behind this. Arab states have realized this and closed their borders so that no migrants can come in.

EU, Turkey Agree on Plan With Ankara Taking Back All Illegal Migrants

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/politics/20160308/1035937299/eu-turkey-agree-immigration.html#ixzz42JAgu5sL

Take a look of dramatic situation in my country Greece. Numbers of refugees is estimated at 50,000.

Idomeni became residence for over 10,000 of refugees

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160323/1036785766/idomeni-refugees-try-self-immolation.html#ixzz43i8qpd70

George1 wrote:

Booster wrote:
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/78-migrants-rescued-from-stranded-wooden-boat-off-greece-34172644.html

78 migrants rescued from stranded wooden boat off Greece

Yes. These incidents are daily routine in Greece

Yeap our government (Merkel puppet) instead of pushing them back is providing them with free taxi service to our islands.

Looks like the EU finally reaches credible politics after following this human rights bullshit for years.

In Italy since Salvini became interior minister, umber of arrivals dropped down to zero since 16th July. The Balkan route is closed down.

And in Spain they changed radical their position since France closed down the border to them. When 150 negroid migrants stormed the border in Ceuta, tehy were send back morocco the very next day.

Algeria and Morocco catches migrants and brings them somewhere into the Sahara and even Tunisia which a long time deneid to take migrants in, had to accept a ship send back.

What changed? France and Germany started pressure on those shitholes. Visa bans for their elites and a cut of financial help did wonders.

All this a is a first start but more has to follow. The life of those migrants must become hell on earth. Migration is developed around push and pull factors. And we must create push.

So far Merkel was the weak part in EU but since she faces a rise of teh far right in Germany and she personally stands for nothing, she changed her politics.

Our president Macron is the most funny in that aspect. He talks alot about human rights, but in reality allows no migrant in, not even in emergency.

I personalyl believe the migrants are just a symptom though. The cancer cel are leftist liberals and NGO. Thoe must be fought. And its good to see their boats confiscated and those activists brought infront court.

Europe cant help africa. Its neither our duty nor do we have any responsibility for them.

Same counts aboutt Syria.

Russia can help us to get rid of the Syrians. We all know that Assad is just russias muppet. Russia knows to play this asset well and we know that Russia has teh ability to influence Assad to take all Syrians and maybe even all Afghans and other migrants.

On the other side Syria is a huge burden for Russia. Russia has no colonial experience and system and the cost for holding Syria is enormous. Putin knows he needs Euroepan investment. His recent pension reform desaster shows that as well.

When Merkel visited Putin recently, she started a test baloon. Assad announced he will confiscate houses and property of Syrians who left Syria. Merkel asked Putin to influence Assad to not do that. And oh wonder...one week later Assad stopped this law.

The problem is, that we need a face saving option to deal with Assad. I dont denie that we made mistakes regarding Syria but those mistakes can be corrected.

In Libya we now have a situation we can live with. With general Haftar and his groups we have arrangements who catch migrants and get rid of them. Algeria silently gets rid of migrants in the Sahara.

IMali and Niger as well as Chad, France uses its old colonial system to force change on them and they block migrants very sucessful.

All this acheived, that number of arrivals dropepd on the level of 2009.

Who knows? Maybe we even find a deal regarding crimea.

Once Assad clears the country of Turkish terrorists reconstruction can begin and the refugees can come home. The economic conditions for refugees in Turkey are rapidly deteriorating as the lira collapses and Turkish companies file for bankruptcy. Hotic filed for bankruptcy yesterday and there is a long line of Turkish companies going out of business that will create their own refugee problem. The new problem for Europe isn't Syrian refugees but Turkish refugees. If the EU is dumb enough to let them in it is your own fault. Hopefully your electorate will wise up before Italy and a host of other countries have their own Brexit.

Vladimir79 wrote:Once Assad clears the country of Turkish terrorists reconstruction can begin and the refugees can come home.  The economic conditions for refugees in Turkey are rapidly deteriorating as the lira collapses and Turkish companies file for bankruptcy.  Hotic filed for bankruptcy yesterday and there is a long line of Turkish companies going out of business that will create their own refugee problem.  The new problem for Europe isn't Syrian refugees but Turkish refugees.  If the EU is dumb enough to let them in it is your own fault.  Hopefully your electorate will wise up before Italy and a host of other countries have their own Brexit.  

Turkey will collapse sooner or later. That the balkan is closed, is a good thing.

I see a bigger problem in that, that the turks attack Greece or Cyprus while they go down.

Here analysts say that Russia will not wide with Turkey. Its just blabla. Russia and Turkey are old enemies.

https://balkaninsight.com/2020/01/21/central-europe-set-to-wrestle-germany-for-migrants/

"Filling much of this desperate need for labour have been Ukrainians. Fleeing an economy crippled by the Russian-backed war in the east, they have flooded into Poland and the Czech Republic in particular.

Workers from other Eastern European states such as Belarus and Serbia, as well as Central and East Asia, have also been lured with relatively high wages and eased entry conditions.

Poland issued more than 635,000 residence permits to non-EU citizens in 2018, the highest of any country in the bloc. Katarzyna Michalska, an analyst at the Polish Institute of International Affairs, estimates there may be more than 1.3 million Ukrainians working in the country.

The Czech government of Prime Minister Andrej Babis, who in 2018 promised he would not let “even one migrant” into the country, runs schemes to attract workers from across Eastern Europe, as well as Mongolia and the Philippines.

The Czech Chamber of Commerce says in light of the coming competition from Germany, it plans to ask the government to accelerate efforts to raise the number of workers arriving.

“They do not jeopardise the wage level of Czechs, nor do they take their jobs,” Miroslav Diro, spokesman for the employers’ lobby group says. “These workers are … beneficial for … for the whole of society.”

https://polandin.com/44493781/poland-and-hungary-to-develop-military-medical-training-center

issues with his V4 counterparts during a meeting in Ostrava, in the Czech Republic. "Hungary specialises in military health services," the minister said. "They really have a well-developed competence in that area. Poland has a very well developed competence in special forces. We're joining those two functions and creating a training centre within the Permanent Structured Cooperation (PESCO), which will strengthen defence possibilities, not just for us but for the whole of the Visegrad Group."

1. I have heard they have their own battle-group, so things like military exercises between the nations would be favorable for here to post.
2. Possibility of more members being added to the group like Croatia or Ukraine is highly appreciated here as well.
3. Military projects involving cooperation being done among them is favorable as well.
4. Their disagreements or agreements they have with other NATO or EU members. Such as will there be a growing division if the 4 countries disagree with not wanting refugees or being pro-nuclear, pro-russian stances.
5. News on how their economic growth is doing.

Because of military groups like these, even though the U.S. and EU support it they are sort of uncomfortable wanting to enforce policies that would strengthen division for NATO.

Our army has sent reinforcements to borders