Syrian Civil War: News #3

Exclusive: Chemical weapons used by rebels in Syria - sources

Chemical weapons experts have determined that mustard gas was used in a Syrian town where Islamic State insurgents were battling another rebel group, according to a report by an international watchdog seen by Reuters. wrote:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/05/mideast-crisis-syria-chemicalweapons-exc-idINKCN0SU2PU20151105?irpc=932

Looks like the leader of the Rat Group was killed at Morek



https://twitter.com/leithfadel/status/662376603335401472

Looks like it was a mujahid bomb attack that caused the crash of the Russian airliner. ISIS did claim responsibility for it. I do hope, Russia will bring ground forces to action in Syria. Sure mujahids pick on coward under equipped SAA, but keep in mind, SAA is a walk in the park compared to the Russian army

I think south Aleppo is were we should all be watching right now.

The SAA appear to be following the path of least resistance. Al Nusra's south Aleppo front cracked open, North Hama held, and the SAA/IRGC are throwing their reserves at Aleppo, but instead of moving into the city, they're actually pushing west towards Idlib and Saraqib. I think they may be trying to take the flat land and  split Al Nusra's territory in half. There really isn't much meat left between Aleppo and Saraqib.

George1 wrote:

Cyberspec wrote:I doubt RuAF will use FOAB in Syria

It might use it in Turkey in future..

Russian war with Turkey? How?

http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-officially-clears-the-strategic-northern-flank-of-the-homs-damascus/

Progress is made aroud Douma

Cyberspec wrote:Looks like the leader of the Rat Group was killed at Morek



https://twitter.com/leithfadel/status/662376603335401472

Like a peaceful rotting decomposing sleeping beauty...

He should be popular both virgins methinks.

IMHO, I would prefer one slutty cheerleader over 70 virgins any day of the week.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-officially-clears-the-strategic-northern-flank-of-the-homs-damascus/

Progress is made aroud Douma

Speaking of Douma, check out this turd of a report.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/11/syria-bombs-douma-human-shields-151103171542946.html

Assad forces continue to pound Damascus neighbourhood despite rebel group putting prisoners in cages to deter attacks.




this fucking gem...

"Besieged community

"If the Syrian government really cared about these people they would have negotiated a deal or ended the air strikes, but they did not," Baraa said.

Muhammad al-Abdullah, the photographer, said that Jaish started parading the prisoners through the towns in Douma to raise support for the initiative. "

Zivo wrote:

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-officially-clears-the-strategic-northern-flank-of-the-homs-damascus/

Progress is made aroud Douma

Speaking of Douma, check out this turd of a report.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/11/syria-bombs-douma-human-shields-151103171542946.html

Assad forces continue to pound Damascus neighbourhood despite rebel group putting prisoners in cages to deter attacks.




this fucking gem...

"Besieged community

"If the Syrian government really cared about these people they would have negotiated a deal or ended the air strikes, but they did not," Baraa said.

Muhammad al-Abdullah, the photographer, said that Jaish started parading the prisoners through the towns in Douma to raise support for the initiative. "

Would do you expect from the official mouthpiece of Qatar....I like to call them All-JIZZ-Smear-ah!

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Zivo wrote:

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-officially-clears-the-strategic-northern-flank-of-the-homs-damascus/

Progress is made aroud Douma

Speaking of Douma, check out this turd of a report.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/11/syria-bombs-douma-human-shields-151103171542946.html

Assad forces continue to pound Damascus neighbourhood despite rebel group putting prisoners in cages to deter attacks.




this fucking gem...

"Besieged community

"If the Syrian government really cared about these people they would have negotiated a deal or ended the air strikes, but they did not," Baraa said.

Muhammad al-Abdullah, the photographer, said that Jaish started parading the prisoners through the towns in Douma to raise support for the initiative. "

Would do you expect from the official mouthpiece of Qatar....I like to call them All-JIZZ-Smear-ah!

It's absolutely ridiculous how carefully they tread, taking bits and pieces of commentary to twist the situation to make it sound like the people who are committing blatant war crimes are the victims. It's sick.

Douma map, Damascus Homs highway is cleared.



https://twitter.com/miladvisor/status/662369952209444865

Zivo wrote:

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-officially-clears-the-strategic-northern-flank-of-the-homs-damascus/

Progress is made aroud Douma

Speaking of Douma, check out this turd of a report.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/11/syria-bombs-douma-human-shields-151103171542946.html

Assad forces continue to pound Damascus neighbourhood despite rebel group putting prisoners in cages to deter attacks.




this fucking gem...

"Besieged community

"If the Syrian government really cared about these people they would have negotiated a deal or ended the air strikes, but they did not," Baraa said.

Muhammad al-Abdullah, the photographer, said that Jaish started parading the prisoners through the towns in Douma to raise support for the initiative. "

So what happens to the prisoners that don't get put into cages on rooftops? Are they treated better?

Erk wrote:

Zivo wrote:

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-officially-clears-the-strategic-northern-flank-of-the-homs-damascus/

Progress is made aroud Douma

Speaking of Douma, check out this turd of a report.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/11/syria-bombs-douma-human-shields-151103171542946.html

Assad forces continue to pound Damascus neighbourhood despite rebel group putting prisoners in cages to deter attacks.




this fucking gem...

"Besieged community

"If the Syrian government really cared about these people they would have negotiated a deal or ended the air strikes, but they did not," Baraa said.

Muhammad al-Abdullah, the photographer, said that Jaish started parading the prisoners through the towns in Douma to raise support for the initiative. "

So what happens to the prisoners that don't get put into cages on rooftops? Are they treated better?

prisoner
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Definition of prisoner in English:
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ISIS Suffers Insurmountable Losses in Deir Ezzor: Over 200 Casualties Reported This Week

http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/isis-suffers-insurmountable-losses-in-deir-ezzor-over-200-casualties-reported-this-week/

Reports of muhajids captured Atshan after SAA tucked tails and ran towards Hama city. Thank goodness we didn't have SAA defending Russia from Nazis or else Russia would have fallen because SAA would have tucked tails and ran towards Siberia.

The Islamic State’s Kid Jihad



Why militants of the Islamic State kidnap children, what they do with kids in training camps, what is youngsters’ role in various conflicts of the 20th century – find the answers in the following material prepared by Voennoe.RF.

http://mil.today/2015/Syria27/

Initial reports: SAA has recaptured Ghumam and some surrounding hills (Latakia front)





few more pics in links below

#SAA inside Ghumam village (under fully #SAA control) / Latakia
https://twitter.com/watanisy/status/662556728689586176

https://twitter.com/watanisy/status/662555411694919680


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RuAF now targeting rebels in #Morek #Hama.


https://twitter.com/DPRKJones/status/662458878039191552

Reports of muhajids captured Atshan after SAA tucked tails and ran towards Hama city. Thank goodness we didn't have SAA defending Russia from Nazis or else Russia would have fallen because SAA would have tucked tails and ran towards Siberia

Well sticking with your WWII analogy, would you compare the SAA army with the British who ran away from Dunkirk to England? Or the French who simply surrendered?

In real war, you have withdrawls... and it has nothing to do with cowardice. Holding ground at all costs is stupid because ground is not worth losing a lot of lives and then losing the ground. It makes rather more sense to withdraw and surrender the ground to the enemy when the enemy is strong and your forces are weak and then come and take the ground back later when your forces are stronger.

Garry - your analogies are stupid. Rebels have none of the advantages Wehrmacht had during the invasion of France - they are poorly armed, fragmented (dozens of groups per province) and don't have the best officer corps in the world. Defences around Morek had been prepared for 2 weeks in advance, simply running away in face of an attack by guys on pick-ups is a sign of plain tactical ineptitude - no idea who commanded those troops but he should be court martialled. Then another blunder is made by counter-attacking with a weaker(!) force than the defender.

As a morale booster - SAA ambushed rebels in Damascus, killing 50 of them.

Mujahids captured Atshan and Maan in Hama. SAA is collapsing in the Hama front. This is the only front where they are losing bad. Possibly due to an incompetent or traitor commander.

GarryB wrote:

Reports of muhajids captured Atshan after SAA tucked tails and ran towards Hama city. Thank goodness we didn't have SAA defending Russia from Nazis or else Russia would have fallen because SAA would have tucked tails and ran towards Siberia

Well sticking with your WWII analogy,

I will use "Order No. 227" card. it's super effective

Retreat from Morek was not the soldiers' fault. It was the fault of their commander and he alone should bear responsibility.

GarryB wrote:

Reports of muhajids captured Atshan after SAA tucked tails and ran towards Hama city. Thank goodness we didn't have SAA defending Russia from Nazis or else Russia would have fallen because SAA would have tucked tails and ran towards Siberia

Well sticking with your WWII analogy, would you compare the SAA army with the British who ran away from Dunkirk to England? Or the French who simply surrendered?

In real war, you have withdrawls... and it has nothing to do with cowardice. Holding ground at all costs is stupid because ground is not worth losing a lot of lives and then losing the ground. It makes rather more sense to withdraw and surrender the ground to the enemy when the enemy is strong and your forces are weak and then come and take the ground back later when your forces are stronger.

Plenty of examples on the russian front of being ordered to 'hold the line at all costs', 'not one step back' by both sides that ended in wholesale slaughter that could have been prevented. You have to know when to hold the line, and when to retreat.

Good example of this is slavyansk last year.

Holding the town as long as possible was the correct thing to do, it bought time To enable defences to be prepared in donetsk city proper and for reinforcements to arrive. But they knew when to withdraw and abandon the city at the right time to avoid being slaughtered.


Im not saying that this is the case with the SAA here, but theres no need to start trolling frantically that the saa are cowards every time they lose an inch of ground. They are fighting on three fronts with a hugely depleted army, an economy in the toilet against well prepared, well armed and motivated terrorist armies that are funded, trained and supplied by some of the biggest economies in the world. That they have not collapsed completely is a testament to the syrian army and its people.



Chemical weapons used by daesh

Rodinazombie wrote:

GarryB wrote:

Reports of muhajids captured Atshan after SAA tucked tails and ran towards Hama city. Thank goodness we didn't have SAA defending Russia from Nazis or else Russia would have fallen because SAA would have tucked tails and ran towards Siberia

Well sticking with your WWII analogy, would you compare the SAA army with the British who ran away from Dunkirk to England? Or the French who simply surrendered?

In real war, you have withdrawls... and it has nothing to do with cowardice. Holding ground at all costs is stupid because ground is not worth losing a lot of lives and then losing the ground. It makes rather more sense to withdraw and surrender the ground to the enemy when the enemy is strong and your forces are weak and then come and take the ground back later when your forces are stronger.

Plenty of examples on the russian front of being ordered to 'hold the line at all costs', 'not one step back' by both sides that ended in wholesale slaughter that could have been prevented. You have to know when to hold the line, and when to retreat.

Good example of this is slavyansk last year.

Holding the town as long as possible was the correct thing to do, it bought time To enable defences to be prepared in donetsk city proper and for reinforcements to arrive. But they knew when to withdraw and abandon the city at the right time to avoid being slaughtered.

Im not saying that this is the case with the SAA here, but theres no need to start trolling frantically that the saa are cowards every time they lose an inch of ground. They are fighting on three fronts with a hugely depleted army, an economy in the toilet against well prepared, well armed and motivated terrorist armies that are funded, trained and supplied by some of the biggest economies in the world. That they have not collapsed completely is a testament to the syrian army and its people.

Think you pretty much nailed it there, especially your last paragraph.

We here have no idea why that SAA group withdrew, just guesses. For all we know there could have been reinforcements or gear due that didn't show up, or it is a plan to draw dispersed terrorists in from the countryside into a more concentrated group. We really have no idea other that what is on social media. Perhaps some have forgotten the ridicule heaped on the Pentagon when they seemed to rely on SM in Ukraine last year.

As to the last para. By mid summer it was becoming clear that the huge investment made by US/NATO in the basically terrorist forces in terms of men and material was starting to pay off. Whereas Syria has a limited pool of people able to be drafted, the opposing forces seem to have unlimited numbers of bored or idealistic recruits available. Whilst Syria relied on a very limited import of weapons large quantities seem to have flooded across its borders for the opposition under what can only be described as incompetent or planned air cover.

Whilst Russia saw what was happening and acted, most of that manpower and weapons are still in place at the fronts, showing in places that it still as capable of overrunning the SAA now as it was two months ago.

More speculation I know but it must be highly likely that there is now, to go with the RuAF and Iranian forces, an increase in the numbers of Russian and Iranian officers in Damascus 'helping' the strategic order of battle. It is there that decisions are made as to where to fight and where to give way. Syria is a big country, the 'frontline' must seem to go on for ever and the SAA can't fight all of it to victory and may not be able to for years.

If they start to lose big where the RuAF has or is operating in force, then we will know there is probably a bit of problem.

^^^^

Thanks john

Its like in ukraine, a volunteer army, whether it be a genuine rebel group or a terrorist group, is always going to be more ideologically motivated and fight harder than an army of conscripts. Look at the waffen SS during the second world war, or the IRA during the war of independence, the rebels of novorossia, the mujahadeen of afghanistan or isis today, they all have the common advantage of being ideologically motivated against an opponent that does not choose to fight, but has no choice.

Thats not to compare any of the organisations listed above, just to highlight the common theme that gives them an advantage.

Now, not only are these people so highly motivated and ideology pumped, but they have an unlimited supply of weapons and manpower from dozens of countries, they have the trade of millions of dollars of oil every day, they have intelligence links with those countries, in many ways they have all the advantages over the syrian government, the only thing that stopped them gaining complete power is that by so e miracle the british and US decided not to bomb assad. If they had have gone for that im sure we would have seen the black flag flying over damascus long before now.

I do fear though that this cannot be won for at least another five years at the current rate. Syria needs somehow the manpower to be able to cut off the border, then have the strength to hold the line in other areas to prevent counterattacks whilst concentrating on one front at a time and carving up the enemy piece by piece. Trying to advance across the whole country at the same time without a huge numerical advantage is going to be slow and costly and turn into a war of attrition that may not turn out in your favour.