And with their shitty steel and welding they can´t dive very deep or get out fast.
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US Nuclear Submarine Force
Hole- Posts : 11118
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- Post n°151
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GarryB- Posts : 40537
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Re: US Nuclear Submarine Force
The real issue is graft and in the US it is rampant, from healthcare robbing insurance companies, to computer manufacturers charging 20K for a .5K video screen because it is going into a submarine and therefore must meet much stricter testing... where of course someone just signs off on it because if the screens are getting soaked in sea water they wont be the only things not working and it is unlikely they will send people down to recover the video screens because they are rated for being submerged in sea water for days...
It would be written off, and rightly so.
Regarding that woman who faked the test results... you can't tell me she did the tests as well, so other people in that company knew what she was doing because when they tested that steel and it wasn't good enough and they still sold it and didn't have to fabricate replacement sheets they would have known something was up.
Calling her a patriot though... she must be protecting a son or daughter of a congressman or something...
Most tests like that are extreme so there will be a margin of error, but if US subs find themselves in the situation they wanted it to continue working in like very cold water and pressure at the same time they might find they have some real issues but for very deep water they are unlikely to recover the sub to work out what happened anyway.
It would be written off, and rightly so.
Regarding that woman who faked the test results... you can't tell me she did the tests as well, so other people in that company knew what she was doing because when they tested that steel and it wasn't good enough and they still sold it and didn't have to fabricate replacement sheets they would have known something was up.
Calling her a patriot though... she must be protecting a son or daughter of a congressman or something...
Most tests like that are extreme so there will be a margin of error, but if US subs find themselves in the situation they wanted it to continue working in like very cold water and pressure at the same time they might find they have some real issues but for very deep water they are unlikely to recover the sub to work out what happened anyway.
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- Post n°153
Re: US Nuclear Submarine Force
https://www.intrafish.com/fisheries/trawler-owned-by-russian-fishing-giant-accused-of-tracking-us-nuclear-submarine-as-part-of-covert-surveillance-operation/2-1-1437074
Trawler owned by Russian fishing giant accused of tracking US nuclear submarine as part of covert surveillance operation
Russia is allegedly running a program to spy on NATO assets and key infrastructure from fishing vessels in the North Sea, according to a joint investigation by public broadcasters in Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Finland.
The investigation claims Russia has a fleet of vessels disguised as fishing trawlers and research vessels, equipped with underwater surveillance tools for mapping sabotage targets.
The first of a series of reports on this investigation was broadcast across Scandinavia by DR, NRK, SVT, and Yle on Wednesday night.
A review conducted by the broadcasters alleges that over the past 10 years, at least 50 Russian ships have been secretly collecting information in NATO waters.
Alleged Norebo links
The Taurus, a trawler owned by Norebo, was among the vessels the news outlets linked with the alleged surveillance program.
The vessel, which harvests in the Barents and Norwegian Seas and lands in various ports in northern Norway, recently drew suspicion from Norwegian authorities for a close encounter with a NATO submarine, the news report alleges.
Norebo, controlled by Russian billionaire Vitaly Orlov, is the largest fisheries quota holder in Russia, and a significant supplier of cod, haddock and pollock to world markets, including the UK and Europe.
Norebo took on Taurus in 2021 when it acquired the assets of Murmansk-based FEST Group.
Although banned from EU and UK ports, Russian fishing vessels are still allowed access to some Norwegian ports.
At the beginning of December last year, the 64-meter-long Taurus was docked in Tromso, in northern Norway, according to NRK.
The Taurus had repeatedly delayed a planned departure, a local pilot service told the Norwegian broadcaster.
However, as the submarine USS South Dakota was towed into the Norwegian harbor, the Russian vessel suddenly left port and sailed in the path of the submarine, the news report alleged.
In addition, the investigation claims the Taurus has had "unusual" movements coinciding with the surfacing of US submarines and a NATO exercises.
NRK contacted Russian ambassador in Norway Tejmuraz Ramisjivili*, who denied that the Taurus was involved in monitoring any NATO assets, and called the claims part of a wave of "Russophobia."
A Norebo representative told IntraFish he had nothing to add to the denial given in the NRK report.
However, the spokesperson added that there were currently no plans to take any legal actions over the allegations.
Other vessels were also linked to the alleged surveillance program in the report. In November 2022, police in Kirkenes, Norway, found two vessels -- the Ester and Lira -- with identical, dated radio devices locked below decks.
The Russian fishing vessels had sailed straight from the Faroe Islands to the port bordering Russia's Kola Peninsula in the north, according to the Nordic broadcasters' investigation.
The Kola Peninsula is the crux of Russia’s military establishment in the western Arctic and the home of Russia's powerful Northern Fleet, the largest of the four Russian naval fleets.
A retired British officer from Naval Intelligence looked at the images of the radio for the broadcasters, and identified it as being used to send and receive calls and Morse code, according to NRK.
Potential sabotage
The head of the Norwegian Police Security Service (PST) in Finnmark, Johan Roaldsnes, said these findings have strengthened suspicions that espionage is being carried out from ordinary fishing vessels.
n February, Dutch intelligence warned about the potential disruption or sabotage of marine infrastructure, as a Russian ship had been detected near a wind farm in the North Sea.
While reconnaissance of sensitive sites is not unusual, the intention might be to damage communication or power systems in case of conflict escalation.
The NRK report suggests vessels conducting this type of surveillance could be linked to an incident where an underwater data cable was cut south of Svalbard last year.
GarryB- Posts : 40537
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- Post n°154
Re: US Nuclear Submarine Force
The investigation claims Russia has a fleet of vessels disguised as fishing trawlers and research vessels, equipped with underwater surveillance tools for mapping sabotage targets.
Hahahaha... paranoid much?
The Russians use fishing trawlers to fish... they have SSNs with excellent underwater surveillance tools to spy and map targets... funny they don't give a shit when the US actually blows up their energy infrastructure for Europe, but the suggestion that Russia might be doing something has them all excited...
Pathetic.
Norebo, controlled by Russian billionaire Vitaly Orlov, is the largest fisheries quota holder in Russia, and a significant supplier of cod, haddock and pollock to world markets, including the UK and Europe.
So they also catch fish too?
Although banned from EU and UK ports, Russian fishing vessels are still allowed access to some Norwegian ports.
That is what is happening.... they are not banned from some Norwaywegian ports and this claim they are spying will be used justifying banning them from those ports too.
In November 2022, police in Kirkenes, Norway, found two vessels -- the Ester and Lira -- with identical, dated radio devices locked below decks.
OMG... two fishing ships with radios that were the same... what total bastards they are... because we all know how effective a FUCKING RADIO is at monitoring and tracking modern nuclear submarines is...
A retired British officer from Naval Intelligence looked at the images of the radio for the broadcasters, and identified it as being used to send and receive calls and Morse code, according to NRK.
Well if it sends morse code then it must be only used for spying because only spies even know morse code....
n February, Dutch intelligence warned about the potential disruption or sabotage of marine infrastructure, as a Russian ship had been detected near a wind farm in the North Sea.
Yes, because obviously the Russian Navy would use fishing vessels for sabotage... except there is no evidence they have sabotaged anything... in fact you should be watching US Navy vessels and also Norwegian military vessels because those dirty bastards are the ones sabotaging things at the moment it seems.
While reconnaissance of sensitive sites is not unusual, the intention might be to damage communication or power systems in case of conflict escalation.
Or they might just be winding you up you dopey .
LOL indeed.
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lancelot- Posts : 3172
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- Post n°155
Re: US Nuclear Submarine Force
That whole news is so ridiculous that I am at a loss for words really. "Morse code" indeed .
I am sure they are going to be doing a lot of spying with a low bandwidth communication device that is most likely for emergency calls for help. In case, I don't know, the fishing boat gets stuck in the Arctic? Why else would you need a radio in a boat, according to the article, it must be for spying of course. How idiotic.
I am sure they are going to be doing a lot of spying with a low bandwidth communication device that is most likely for emergency calls for help. In case, I don't know, the fishing boat gets stuck in the Arctic? Why else would you need a radio in a boat, according to the article, it must be for spying of course. How idiotic.
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GarryB- Posts : 40537
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Re: US Nuclear Submarine Force
The ridiculous thing is that it is the pot calling the kettle black really... the clear evidence is that the US spies on everyone and sabotage is something they do all the time as well.
Arrow- Posts : 3472
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- Post n°157
Re: US Nuclear Submarine Force
Ohio SSBN
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- Post n°158
Re: US Nuclear Submarine Force
Arrow wrote: Ohio SSBN
Rusty piles of metal being towed by a boat
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Re: US Nuclear Submarine Force
According to this data the US Navy has 31 operational SSN/SSGN submarines (not counting the converted "Ohio") out of 49 in active service.
Projected Procurement Rates and Force Levels
The Navy’s FY2024 five-year (FY2024-FY2028) shipbuilding plan includes a total of 10
Virginia-class boats, to be procured at a rate of two per year. The Navy’s FY2024 30-year
(FY2024-FY2053) shipbuilding plan includes three alternative 30-year shipbuilding profiles for
the period FY2029-FY2053. Under these profiles, the SSN force would reach a minimum of 46
boats in FY2030 and grow to 60, 69, or 63 boats by FY2053. Under the alternative where the
force grows to 69 boats by FY2053, the force would reach 66 boats in FY2049.
The number of boats in the SSN force is projected to experience a valley or trough from the mid-
2020s through the early 2030s. This valley is a projected consequence of having procured a
relatively small number of SSNs during the 1990s, in the early years of the post-Cold War era.
The projected SSN valley was first identified by CRS in 1995 and has been discussed in CRS
reports and testimony every year since then. As noted above, the FY2024 30-year shipbuilding
plan projects that the SSN force will reach a minimum of 46 boats in FY2030, return to 50 boats
in FY2032, and then grow to more than 50 boats starting in FY2036.
Some observers are concerned that this projected valley in SSN force levels could lead to a period
of heightened operational strain for the SSN force, and perhaps a period of weakened
conventional deterrence against potential adversaries such as China.8 To help fill in part of the
projected valley, the Navy plans to refuel and extend the service lives of up to seven Los Angeles-
class SSNs, while also pursuing “updated service life estimates for the remaining 688s based on
current hull by hull utilization.
Everything is not OK neither in "paradise" nor according to the desired plan, so in 2021 not a single submarine of the "Virginia" class was delivered, while apparently this year too, instead of two, one will be delivered.
The first submarine "Virginia" will complete 20 years of service next year, and that is, at best, already half of its operational life.
Given the pace of construction, it is unlikely that the US will be able to implement its plans without major changes.
It is very possible that the shipyards are dilapidated and there is also a possible lack of money because the plan was literally not followed.
Compared to the LA class, the construction of the "Virginia" class is going badly.
Projected Procurement Rates and Force Levels
The Navy’s FY2024 five-year (FY2024-FY2028) shipbuilding plan includes a total of 10
Virginia-class boats, to be procured at a rate of two per year. The Navy’s FY2024 30-year
(FY2024-FY2053) shipbuilding plan includes three alternative 30-year shipbuilding profiles for
the period FY2029-FY2053. Under these profiles, the SSN force would reach a minimum of 46
boats in FY2030 and grow to 60, 69, or 63 boats by FY2053. Under the alternative where the
force grows to 69 boats by FY2053, the force would reach 66 boats in FY2049.
The number of boats in the SSN force is projected to experience a valley or trough from the mid-
2020s through the early 2030s. This valley is a projected consequence of having procured a
relatively small number of SSNs during the 1990s, in the early years of the post-Cold War era.
The projected SSN valley was first identified by CRS in 1995 and has been discussed in CRS
reports and testimony every year since then. As noted above, the FY2024 30-year shipbuilding
plan projects that the SSN force will reach a minimum of 46 boats in FY2030, return to 50 boats
in FY2032, and then grow to more than 50 boats starting in FY2036.
Some observers are concerned that this projected valley in SSN force levels could lead to a period
of heightened operational strain for the SSN force, and perhaps a period of weakened
conventional deterrence against potential adversaries such as China.8 To help fill in part of the
projected valley, the Navy plans to refuel and extend the service lives of up to seven Los Angeles-
class SSNs, while also pursuing “updated service life estimates for the remaining 688s based on
current hull by hull utilization.
Everything is not OK neither in "paradise" nor according to the desired plan, so in 2021 not a single submarine of the "Virginia" class was delivered, while apparently this year too, instead of two, one will be delivered.
The first submarine "Virginia" will complete 20 years of service next year, and that is, at best, already half of its operational life.
Given the pace of construction, it is unlikely that the US will be able to implement its plans without major changes.
It is very possible that the shipyards are dilapidated and there is also a possible lack of money because the plan was literally not followed.
Compared to the LA class, the construction of the "Virginia" class is going badly.
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Arrow- Posts : 3472
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Re: US Nuclear Submarine Force
26 Virginia class, they're doing it well. As they say, quantity is also quality.
Arrow- Posts : 3472
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Nice shots