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    Post  Mindstorm Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:37 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:
    Luq man wrote:Guided glide bomb with range up to 120km tested onboard Su-34
    Nice pics:
    https://en.ppt-online.org/345832

    Tests have been reportedly completed for the GROM-E1 (missile) and GROM-E2 (Glide Bomb)....they can be carried internally by the Su-57

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    This news can be misleading : it refere to the completion of test of the the exportable version (Гром-Э1 and Гром-Э2) of domestic models of the new line of internal-bay-compatible planning bombs, moreover the unit of measure for delivery speed for the weapon is obviously wronged , it should read 140-445 m/s not km/h Wink

    As explained in the past the main concept behind this new line is to create a mass produceable relatively-low cost planning bomb/missile to be carried in internal bay of aircraft and UCAV with a very high destructive power (warhead weight from 315 kg -120 km propelled version - to 480 kg - 65 km from high altitude pure planning bomb version -) to be employed against enemy targets with known location ; this respond to mainly to two test-based observations :


    1) In not ГЛОНАСС/GPS and or IR/optically degraded environment the weapon should be capable to reliably destroy a building of reinforced concrete of middle size (not containing an high-degree of easily detonable or incendiary material) with a single ammunition.
    For this same mission the main strike platform amomg western Air Forces for the three decades, the F-35A should employ at least 5-6 GBU-39s, on the 8 maximum of its internal bays, with combined penetration/explosive warhead of 16 Kgs of explosive (as proved by similar attacks in Syria by part of IAF), or two AGM-154 JSOWs with a warhead in the 200 kg ballpark.

    2) In ГЛОНАСС/GPS and or IR/optically degraded environment (a situation that competitors military forces, in a limited conflict, would face much more likely than domestic ones) the primary damaging area of blast should assure the destruction or effective incapacitation of the targeted reinforced concrete structure previously mentioned with 2 munitions.
    Here the computations go furtherly bad for the opponent platform, employing GBU-39s in a similar environment would require the entire internal capacity of a squad of 4 or 5 F-35As (therefore this weapon will be almost certainly not be almost certainly employed in a similar environment) while 3 or 4 AGM-154 should be used (therefore at least 2 F-35As).


    The employement of this class of weapons will mostly capitalize on the much greater internal bay and combat radius of the multirole platform Су-57 ,allowing a single Су-57 to execute the same mission that would require from 2 to 4 F-35A/C and also with a greater chance of success in a homing-degraded environment.
    Naturallly this not only ease significantly the logistic and even more material cost burden , but also shorten enormously the time of execution cycle of those missions - also taking into account the graeter cruise speed of Су-57 in comparison with the F-35- allowing the progressive degradation of enemy military capabilities to proceed at a much higher pace.




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    Post  Cyberspec Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:08 pm

    ^^^
    Thanks Mindstorm

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    KAB-250 used against a tank in Syria

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    Post  dino00 Sat Aug 24, 2019 2:43 pm

    https://twitter.com/MuxelAero/status/1165216612338868230?s=19
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    Post  George1 Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:12 am

    Russian defense firm signs export deals for next-generation guided bomb

    The new 1,500kg guided air bomb K029BE with the inertial satellite guidance system was unveiled at the MAKS-2019 aerospace show

    https://tass.com/defense/1075595

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    Post  Hole Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:25 pm

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    Post  Hole Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:16 pm

    Some clarification from Charly015.

    This is the S-8L
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    Post  GarryB Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:44 am

    nice... so pack this into a 7 shot or 20 shot current 80mm rocket launcher or one of the new 5 or 10 tube rocket launcher stacked, and when firing a guided rocket you mark the target with a laser beam and launch the rocket... perhaps angle the rocket up into the air and after a few seconds as the rocket reaches the peak of its ballistic flight and starts to angle down you can lase the target and it will home in on it...

    Individual targets 5-6km away like a truck or light vehicle with a HMG on the back for instance, or an enemy ATGM launcher like TOW you could hit with a single rocket from stand off ranges.... nice.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Dec 05, 2020 12:48 am

    "Smart" ammunition will become invulnerable to electronic warfare
    For "smart" ammunition, a new software and analytical complex has been developed to improve the accuracy of hitting targets in the conditions of counteraction by means of electronic warfare (EW).
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    According to Rostec ,the complex is based on a new electronic defense system that can receive information about targets even when exposed to active interference with varying intensity.

    - New generation ammunition with artificial intelligence function - the most effective means of destruction in modern combat conditions. One of the key tasks of the developers is to make the "smart" filling invulnerable to electronic warfare, "said industrial Director of rostec state Corporation Bekhan Ozdoev. He added that the new complex surpasses its Russian and foreign counterparts in terms of the protection of the munition from interference and reduces to zero the effectiveness of electronic warfare assets.

    The complex is planned to be integrated into high-precision ammunition of defensive and offensive weapons systems.

    The Russian development was evaluated by the editor of the national Interest magazine, a former Pentagon official, Chris Osborne. According to him, jamming technologies can become extremely important for unmanned systems, as they can guarantee that controlled or Autonomous aircraft can not stray from the course set for the task. Missiles, rockets, and artillery shells will also become more accurate.

    https://z5h64q92x9.net/proxy_u/ru-en.en/https/rg.ru/2020/12/04/umnye-boepripasy-stanut-neuiazvimymi-dlia-sredstv-reb.html

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    Post  franco Wed Jan 27, 2021 1:09 pm

    KTRV launched mass production of new generation corrected aerial bombs

    The Tactical Missile Armament Corporation has completed testing of new-generation gliding ammunition and has begun their serial production. Boris Obnosov, the general director of KTRV, told about this in an interview with the "Military-Industrial Courier".

    According to the head of the company, last year KTRV completed work on gliding ammunition of 250, 500 and 1500 kg caliber, launching the serial production of new generation corrected aerial bombs. The company has signed long-term contracts for the supply of a new generation of ammunition to the Russian Aerospace Forces, bombs are already entering service with the Russian military aviation .

    We have made very serious progress in the past year in the production of precisely corrected aerial bombs of the KAB series. Both in their quality and quantity. The tests of a new generation of planning ammunition of calibers 250, 500 and 1500 kilograms have been completed, long-term contracts have been concluded for their supply - said Obnosov.

    The general director of KTRV also said that tests of the promising KAB-250LG-E with a laser homing head and high-explosive fragmentation warhead, as well as other ammunition developed for the fifth generation Su-57 fighter, are proceeding according to schedule. In addition, at the final stage of testing are new UPAB caliber 500 and 1500 kilograms with a television guidance head.

    The head of KTRV announced the completion of work and obtaining permission for serial production of a new adjustable aerial bomb of 250 kg caliber at the end of last summer. At the same time, he promised that by the end of 2020 the company will complete three topics on air-to-air missiles, on corrected air bombs of 1500 and 500 kg, on air-to-surface products and several more projects.

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    Post  dino00 Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:24 pm

    ...source Franco...source...

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    Post  George1 Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:26 pm

    dino00 wrote:...source Franco...source...

    https://en.topwar.ru/179447-ktrv-razvernula-serijnoe-proizvodstvo-korrektiruemyh-aviabomb-novogo-pokolenija.html

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    Post  George1 Mon May 10, 2021 6:14 pm

    Russian Aerospace Forces will receive planning bombs "Drill"
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    This year, the Russian Aerospace Forces will receive the new Drel gliding bombs for the first time. Their combat effectiveness has been confirmed by test results.


    About this in interview Russian Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov, who is in charge of the country's military-industrial complex, told the Interfax news agency.

    Prior to that, he said that the new ammunition would go into service with the operational-tactical aviation... In particular, they are planning to equip them with the latest Su-57 multipurpose fighters.

    As the "Russian newspaper", the bomb is capable of gliding at a distance of up to 30 kilometers from the drop site. Thus, the aircraft does not need to overcome enemy air defenses to approach the target. The bomb is navigated through the GLONASS system.

    The ammunition contains 15 combat elements that are self-targeting. Having flown up to the place of strike, they separate from the bomb and descend by parachute, aiming at the target with the help of sensors. At the same time, the ammunition is equipped with a "friend or foe" recognition system, which allows it to hit only enemy equipment, without touching its own.

    In addition, the aerial bomb does not interfere with the operation of electronic warfare, to which it is insensitive, and radars are practically unable to detect it.

    Thus, it is extremely difficult to spot and destroy this ammunition.

    https://en.topwar.ru/182798-vks-rossii-poluchat-planirujuschie-aviabomby-drel.html

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    Post  Atmosphere Tue May 11, 2021 5:46 am

    Drel has a rather high explosives to weight ratio.
    Regarding stuffing each sub munition with all of these electronics , you could really see how mature the electronics technology on those things has become , to create them at a reasonable price. We all know how strict the russians are with cost effectiveness.

    This is like the jump from beam rider reflex , to beam eider + TV /Thermal homing + INS/Glonass correction in Sokol.

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    Post  GarryB Tue May 11, 2021 7:08 am

    It sounds like they are using a glide bomb to deliver sensor fused top attack munitions... at 15 per bomb... with 15 being the normal number carried by the standard RBK-500U when it is loaded with SPBE top attack submunitions... that is rather interesting because it sounds like they have added IFF features to the sub-munitions.
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    Post  George1 Wed Jun 02, 2021 3:09 pm

    Russian tech firm may start production of latest glide bomb in 2023

    The Drel glide air bomb is designated to destroy the armor, ground radar stations, command posts and propulsion units of surface-to-air missile systems

    MOSCOW, June 2. /TASS/. The deliveries of the latest glide bomb Drel to the customer may begin already in 2023, CEO of Technodinamika Group (part of the state tech corporation Rostec) Igor Nasenkov said on the sidelines of a congress of the Union of Russian Machine-Builders on Wednesday.

    "I believe we will be completing the Drel project already next year. If we wrap up the trials next year, we will be actually able to start serial production from 2023," the chief executive said.

    The Drel glide air bomb has been developed by the Bazalt Research and Production Association (within Techmash Research and Production Group). The latest glide bomb is designated to destroy the armor, ground radar stations, command posts and propulsion units of surface-to-air missile systems. The reports about the creation of a new bomb appeared in 2016. The latest glide bomb is expected to be invisible for radar screens.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Jul 02, 2023 12:54 pm



    Guided bombs on Combat Approved...

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    Post  Hole Mon Aug 21, 2023 5:31 pm

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    Post  GarryB Tue Aug 22, 2023 4:21 am

    I did notice where before they showed one KAB-50 that they actually have three or four different types on display at this event... each appears to have different guidance, with this one being optical...
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    Post  GarryB Tue Sep 26, 2023 3:14 am



    TV guided Kh-29TE missile for export.

    Also regarding those mini bombs for drones, they include KAB-50TV, KAB-50S, and KAB-50L and thanks to Vitalys wonderful site: https://www.vitalykuzmin.net/

    They look like this:

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    KAB-50L Laser guided bomb.

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    KAB-50S Satellite guided bomb.

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    And KAB-50TV TV guided bomb.

    With the number of optical ports on Holes photo above of the KAB-50TV I would expect it has thermal as well as TV cameras... though it might just include a laser range finder...

    Actually just looked at his post and it says it uses satellite guidance and thermal imaging, so it clearly maps its position in 3D space and steers itself to ensure it hits its targets.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Sep 29, 2023 1:40 pm

    Interesting short video about the KAB-500S GLONASS guided bomb.

    This is just a freefall bomb with no glider components or engine with GLONASS guidance which limits its flight range.

    As mentioned it is not heavily used because it is expensive.

    How expensive?

    It mentions 3 million rubles per bomb or about $30K US dollars, which I think is pretty cheap actually.

    They are working to extend its range.

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    Post  Isos Fri Sep 29, 2023 1:52 pm

    With a good weapon pylon they could have 40 of those kab-50 under a su-34 or su-25. With a good precision they can destroy any small target easily be it a building or a vehicle.

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    Post  Hole Wed Nov 22, 2023 4:41 pm

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    Post  GarryB Thu Jan 11, 2024 1:25 am

    Seems Drell has passed its tests and begins serial production this year:



    (BTW nice view of an SA-5 being launched in this video.... not sure why though)

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    Post  Hole Thu Jan 11, 2024 12:15 pm

    Because the bomb can be launched from outside the range of air defence systems.
    Not the S-200 but... journalists. dunno

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