Syrian Civil War: News #4

sepheronx wrote:Then they are showing their hand in reliance on Turkish money and so Turkey will push further.  Sanctions on Turkey are currently nothing. And you think Turkey will agree to all this?

Something is really wrong with Russian leadership.  There has been not a single tough response to the killing of a Russian pilot and they hope to get a contract still for that pipeline.

Monarchist wrote:

sepheronx wrote:Then they are showing their hand in reliance on Turkish money and so Turkey will push further.  Sanctions on Turkey are currently nothing. And you think Turkey will agree to all this?

Something is really wrong with Russian leadership.  There has been not a single tough response to the killing of a Russian pilot and they hope to get a contract still for that pipeline.

When I was posting about these issues already on mp.net about the situation in Novorusija you and other pro-russians all kept attacking me that I was trolling, trust Putin, he has a "grand plan" etc.
Now we see the disaster in both Syria, eastern Ukraine, and Crimea. This blockade on Crimea could of been avoided if they created a land corridor to Crimea which they would if the Kremlin didn't gave up Mariupol to Akhmetov and other oligarchs.
The personal interests of oligarchs and political leaders in Kremlin that have their children in the west are more important then russians, Russia's strategic interests etc.

Monarchist wrote:
When I was posting about these issues already on mp.net about the situation in Novorusija you and other pro-russians all kept attacking me that I was trolling, trust Putin, he has a "grand plan" etc.
Now we see the disaster in both Syria, eastern Ukraine, and Crimea. This blockade on Crimea could of been avoided if they created a land corridor to Crimea which they would if the Kremlin didn't gave up Mariupol to Akhmetov and other oligarchs.
The personal interests of oligarchs and political leaders in Kremlin that have their children in the west are more important then russians, Russia's strategic interests etc.

Neutrality wrote:

Monarchist wrote:
When I was posting about these issues already on mp.net about the situation in Novorusija you and other pro-russians all kept attacking me that I was trolling, trust Putin, he has a "grand plan" etc.
Now we see the disaster in both Syria, eastern Ukraine, and Crimea. This blockade on Crimea could of been avoided if they created a land corridor to Crimea which they would if the Kremlin didn't gave up Mariupol to Akhmetov and other oligarchs.
The personal interests of oligarchs and political leaders in Kremlin that have their children in the west are more important then russians, Russia's strategic interests etc.

Land corridor to Crimea? You're mentally ill, I don't know how to explain it to you otherwise. Let's risk WW3 just to suit you and only you, right? Hell, let's invade Turkey and occupy Istanbul while we're at it! You want a situation in which people, people who aren't you nor your close ones, bleed. Definition of a coward.

This is the reason why you are posting rant stories on a forum and not at the steering wheel of the nation.

What disaster in Syria? Didn't the Syrian Army start gaining territory after Russia got involved or am I blind all of a sudden? Donbass is alive and well. It will forever be an instrument for Moscow to use against Kiev as long as Kiev isn't willing to settle. Crimea's blockade? Israel completely sealing off Gaza, now THAT is a blockade. So please don't make me laugh. This situation with the electricity is temporary and is going to be solved very soon. The construction of the bridge is going well. The technical bridge is almost complete just FYI. While you're here whining about Putin's oligarchs and Kremlin's inactions the situation is getting better.

Monarchist wrote:
Pro-Putin propaganda bullshit. The only one's that are mentally ill are people defending Kremlins cowardness whille Ukraine shelled and killed hundreds of russians while you were all hailing Putin's great wisdom. Instead of russian servicemen patrolling through the Odessa harbour, Kharkov streets you now have NATO troops in overwhelming pro-russian cities. Great success.

The definition of a coward is being the supreme commander of one of the world largest and most powerful countries giving his word live on television that he will protect his people than just watching them to die, while giving free gas to those very same people.

It has nothing to do with WW3 but the children of the so called russian elite live their pathetic lives in the west with money that their parents stole from the russian people.

Monarchist wrote:

Neutrality wrote:

Monarchist wrote:
When I was posting about these issues already on mp.net about the situation in Novorusija you and other pro-russians all kept attacking me that I was trolling, trust Putin, he has a "grand plan" etc.
Now we see the disaster in both Syria, eastern Ukraine, and Crimea. This blockade on Crimea could of been avoided if they created a land corridor to Crimea which they would if the Kremlin didn't gave up Mariupol to Akhmetov and other oligarchs.
The personal interests of oligarchs and political leaders in Kremlin that have their children in the west are more important then russians, Russia's strategic interests etc.

Land corridor to Crimea? You're mentally ill, I don't know how to explain it to you otherwise. Let's risk WW3 just to suit you and only you, right? Hell, let's invade Turkey and occupy Istanbul while we're at it! You want a situation in which people, people who aren't you nor your close ones, bleed. Definition of a coward.

This is the reason why you are posting rant stories on a forum and not at the steering wheel of the nation.

What disaster in Syria? Didn't the Syrian Army start gaining territory after Russia got involved or am I blind all of a sudden? Donbass is alive and well. It will forever be an instrument for Moscow to use against Kiev as long as Kiev isn't willing to settle. Crimea's blockade? Israel completely sealing off Gaza, now THAT is a blockade. So please don't make me laugh. This situation with the electricity is temporary and is going to be solved very soon. The construction of the bridge is going well. The technical bridge is almost complete just FYI. While you're here whining about Putin's oligarchs and Kremlin's inactions the situation is getting better.

Pro-Putin propaganda bullshit. The only one's that are mentally ill are people defending Kremlins cowardness whille Ukraine shelled and killed hundreds of russians while you were all hailing Putin's great wisdom. Instead of russian servicemen patrolling through the Odessa harbour, Kharkov streets you now have NATO troops in overwhelming pro-russian cities. Great success.
The definition of a coward is being the supreme commander of one of the world largest and most powerful countries giving his word live on television that he will protect his people than just watching them to die, while giving free gas to those very same people.
It has nothing to do with WW3 but the children of the so called russian elite live their pathetic lives in the west with money that their parents stole from the russian people.


ps. sorry for off topic.

Neutrality wrote:

Land corridor to Crimea? You're mentally ill, I don't know how to explain it to you otherwise. Let's risk WW3 just to suit you and only you, right?

RT wrote:Russian military to brief press on counter-terror findings Wednesday at 12:00 GMT
Published time: 1 Dec, 2015 19:48

The Russian Defense Ministry has announced it will hold a briefing on new findings related to counter-terror activities at 15:00 Moscow time (12:00 GMT).
Titled ‘Russian armed forces fighting international terrorism: New data’, the briefing will take place at the National Control Center under the Russian Ministry of Defense in Moscow. Both local and foreign media outlets are expected to attend.

Tune in to RT on Wednesday to find out more.

Kadmos45 wrote:
Now, now, let's be serious here for a moment. What WW3 for christ's sake ?  Over Mariupol, Melitopol and Kherson ? There would be no WW3 even if Russia nuked Kiev. But for measly land corridor to Crimea it was actually expected by the west .
When war in Donbass was in full motion ( when the wind blows) ze West was concerned about Russia not taking Kiev and further west.
They never expected Novorussia will be so tiny in the end.

Neutrality wrote:

In what world do you live? Nuke Kiev without any reaction from the rest of world, seriously? The UN is up in their knickers when the North Koreans test nukes underground but nuking a city with a population of over a million people wouldn't be a big deal?

Neutrality wrote:

As for the rest of your reply, literally no idea what you're talking about.

Kadmos45 wrote:

Neutrality wrote:

In what world do you live? Nuke Kiev without any reaction from the rest of world, seriously? The UN is up in their knickers when the North Koreans test nukes underground but nuking a city with a population of over a million people wouldn't be a big deal?

Who the hell said it wouldn't be a big deal ?
Read carefully. Don't change my words.  I said there would be no WW3  over nuking Kiev not that there would be no reaction. Not that Russia should nuke them anyway thats not the point.
And don't compare North Korea to Russia, that isn't even remotely funny. And noone cares obout UN.
North Koreans are toying with UN for years now and what still no airstrikes ?

West only understands power. Thats why Saddam and Kaddafi fell. They were weak and didn't have WMD's.

Neutrality wrote:

As for the rest of your reply, literally no idea what you're talking about.

Whats to understand ? West expected for Novorussia to take land from Ukraine (land corridor to Crimea).
And current problems with Crimea are because they didn't take opportunity when it happened.
West wouldnt lift a finger over that. But that train already left the station. You just take opportunities when you have the chance. But someone on higher level have some other idea.

KoTeMoRe wrote:Actually that doesn't make sense. If they wanted to "flood" Syria, the US has enough muscle, they rotate anywhere from 80 to 150 planes, adding 6 German Tornados and possibly about 12-18 UK fighters isn't going to help anyone, so far France and Europe aren't even near Russian Rolling Circus that presented about 70 aircraft at once dropping the hammer on whoever they needed to whack. So if this is flooding it's kinda weak.

Unified country? Actually there's one thing Syrians have understood from this. Russians might be on "Assad's" side but at least they do what they say. While the US says something does something else. If anything I'm expecting the future Syrian leadership, whatever orientation to evaluate its options in two columns, what we want and what we can have.

I'm sure that while Russia will be on both, the reality will soon emerge and show the people, that their country was destroyed by people who don't give a crap about them. This is also why Assad is holding so long even though the SAA is a shadow of its former self.

Khepesh wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:Actually that doesn't make sense. If they wanted to "flood" Syria, the US has enough muscle, they rotate anywhere from 80 to 150 planes, adding 6 German Tornados and possibly about 12-18 UK fighters isn't going to help anyone, so far France and Europe aren't even near Russian Rolling Circus that presented about 70 aircraft at once dropping the hammer on whoever they needed to whack. So if this is flooding it's kinda weak.

Unified country? Actually there's one thing Syrians have understood from this. Russians might be on "Assad's" side but at least they do what they say. While the US says something does something else. If anything I'm expecting the future Syrian leadership, whatever orientation to evaluate its options in two columns, what we want and what we can have.

I'm sure that while Russia will be on both, the reality will soon emerge and show the people, that their country was destroyed by people who don't give a crap about them. This is also why Assad is holding so long even though the SAA is a shadow of its former self.

Then what is Russia doing in Syria? to hit some terrorists and go home, or to back up Assad, and if it is to back up Assad, then if NATO has a presence in eastern and northern Syria, and who is to say how many there will be in the future, then there will be a partition of Syria caused by NATO, or a war to stop this occuring. NATO can push as many troops into eastern Syria from Iraq as it wants if need be, and if this happens, what? more talk of "partners", sitting down for a cozy chat with the "partners" with a cup of tea. NATO forces are not in Syria for "self defence", for if that were true then UK aircraft should be bombing Belgium, Sweden, France and their own cities infested with British passport holders who are either active terrorists or terrorist supporters. This is clearly to destroy Syria, so while Russia is now in Syria and more and more NATO arrive, talk of any "war on terror" is nonsense, it is a serious confrontation between NATO and Russia and an issue of Muslims in Europe and the future of Europe, elements that nobody seems to want to acknowledge.

You say this  "Unified country?", either Syria is a country with it's borders as they are, or it is something else, something that is the result of Washington, which do you want, a united Syria or a divided Syria, and who benefits from a division? This is not about a "unified people" in the sense all are one for that is hardly the case in many countries, but as a nation state.