Makes sense, since project was modified to use the unfinished hulls laying around at Sevmash, but there were no more left for Monomah.
4th hull is all new, hence new designation.
Speaking of which, so much for 5th hull being laid down....
Well, what did I tell ya guys? 5th boat will not be laid down till late 2014 at the earliest.Ogannisyan8887 wrote:The 5th and 6th Boreis will be laid down this year.
http://www.navy.ru/news/navy/?ELEMENT_ID=134339
TR1, looks like you got your wish
KomissarBojanchev wrote: Why were the 4th and 5th hulls delayed? It seems like the russian navy always gets the short end of development projects. First the lada, then the yasen,then the
Gren, now this. It seems like the russian navy will never match the French,british or German navies
Are you saying things like the new MEKO frigates and and type 212 subs are a joke?TR1 wrote:KomissarBojanchev wrote: Why were the 4th and 5th hulls delayed? It seems like the russian navy always gets the short end of development projects. First the lada, then the yasen,then the
Gren, now this. It seems like the russian navy will never match the French,british or German navies
Excuse me while I laugh @ the last part.
German Navy is a joke.
France and the UK are not, but there are maaaany aspects in which they do not approach the RuNavy as a whole.
And both of them suffer from bad delays and budget cuts as well, and neither had the 90s and early 2000s to contend with like Russia. It is universal.
KomissarBojanchev wrote:Are you saying things like the new MEKO frigates and and type 212 subs are a joke?TR1 wrote:KomissarBojanchev wrote: Why were the 4th and 5th hulls delayed? It seems like the russian navy always gets the short end of development projects. First the lada, then the yasen,then the
Gren, now this. It seems like the russian navy will never match the French,british or German navies
Excuse me while I laugh @ the last part.
German Navy is a joke.
France and the UK are not, but there are maaaany aspects in which they do not approach the RuNavy as a whole.
And both of them suffer from bad delays and budget cuts as well, and neither had the 90s and early 2000s to contend with like Russia. It is universal.
KomissarBojanchev wrote: Why were the 4th and 5th hulls delayed? It seems like the russian navy always gets the short end of development projects. First the lada, then the yasen,then the
Gren, now this. It seems like the russian navy will never match the French,british or German navies
Britain and France will share aircraft carrier to combat defence cuts, says admiral
They are neighbours and former enemies.
But Europe's only nuclear powers - with a centuries-old history of military rivalry - are edging towards military cooperation as they look to cut costs.
In a new age of collaboration, Britain and France could end up sharing aircraft carriers, Admiral Pierre-Francois Forissier - the head of the French navy - has revealed.
The admiral also said he had been 'stunned' by the cuts to the British navy.
The cooperative between the two navies could see the their defence industries sharing nuclear submarines and military satellites.
Britain's BAE System's and France's Dassault Aviation have already said they will work on an unmanned spy plane capable of launching weapons.
Forisser said: 'When we compare the European industry with America's, we see a huge number of companies in Europe and just a few in America.
'It's clear these European firms won't survive and mergers will be needed to be competitive globally.'
Forriser's revelation came the 60-year-old admiral spoke about humanitarian efforts in Libya once the conflict ends.
Coalition forces are likely to be deployed to provide humanitarian relief but France will not send ground troops to speed up the outcome, he added.
He said the Nato-led military operation in Libya would have been helped if Britain had been able to field an aircraft carrier but France's Charles de Gaulle flagship could continue operating there until the autumn.
Forisser said: 'The political objective is to not commit troops on the ground and we are not working on that option as long as the crisis is not resolved.'
France and Britain led the push for a no-fly zone over Libya to prevent attacks on civilians by Muammar Gaddafi's forces, under a UN Security Council resolution agreed in March.
One area earmarked for cooperation between France and Britain is the use of aircraft carriers. In a sweeping review last year, Britain cut its defence budget of £36.9 billion by 8 per cent in real terms up to 2015, scrapping its only aircraft carrier.
While the short distance between coalition bases and Libya means an aircraft carrier is not essential, Forissier said a British carrier would have been useful to reduce air time, boost attacks and relieve the Charles de Gaulle.
The cooperation may eventually lead to the creation of identical ships, equipment and similar training, Forissier said.
After reaching a framework deal in November, both sides are finalising steps for greater integration,
Forissier believes the two governments should consider building together a cheaper carrier to be used for training.
'If we both want to have a permanent operating presence then we'll both need two aircraft carriers and I don't think given the financial situation our governments have the means.'
While Paris has hardly touched its military budget, Forissier said he was 'stunned' by the Royal Navy cuts, at a time when it has had costly operations in Afghanistan and Iraq.
'The Royal Navy, which was always an example for us, is in a tough situation,' he said. 'It makes me wonder whether we'll also have to go through this in the future.'
Part of avoiding that has been the closer cooperation.
'I know in Great Britain you pay tribute to Nelson and here we pay tribute to Napoleon, but really we have good reasons to work together,' he said, looking at a painting celebrating a French naval victory over the Royal Navy in 1781.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1394185/Britain-France-share-aircraft-carrier-combat-defence-cuts-says-admiral.html
Quick question, the link above shows "thrusters" that are on the Borey and on the Akula...what are these used for?