T-90 tanks in Indian Army

Indian Army will receive 464 T-90MS without complex of active protection "Arena-E"

http://vpk.name/news/172903_suhoputnyie_voiska_indii_poluchat_464_tanka_t90ms_bez_kompleksa_aktivnoi_zashityi_arenae.html

George1 wrote:Indian Army will receive 464 T-90MS without complex of active protection "Arena-E"

http://vpk.name/news/172903_suhoputnyie_voiska_indii_poluchat_464_tanka_t90ms_bez_kompleksa_aktivnoi_zashityi_arenae.html

Arena-E??... isn't the MS using Arena-2??

AlfaT8 wrote:

George1 wrote:Indian Army will receive 464 T-90MS without complex of active protection "Arena-E"

http://vpk.name/news/172903_suhoputnyie_voiska_indii_poluchat_464_tanka_t90ms_bez_kompleksa_aktivnoi_zashityi_arenae.html

Arena-E??... isn't the MS using Arena-2??

Baseline export MS doesnt even have Shtora, so no, no APS comes as standard on it. However it can be fitted with Shtora and Arena-E on customers request. But this is i belive Arena-E which was updated somewhere in 2011-2012. or so and offered for export.

https://in.rbth.com/defence/2017/03/15/india-to-produce-mango-shells-for-t-90-tanks_720066

15 March 2017 MIKHAIL NEKRASOV

Russia has completed the transfer of equipment to India for enabling production.


Tecmash, a Rostec group company and Russia's largest manufacturer of ammunition, has completed the transfer of the main part of the equipment needed for licensed production of the Mango shells for T-90 tanks in India, Tecmash Chief Executive Sergey Rusakov told TASS on Mar. 15.

Tecmash has also finished training Indian specialists for the production of the Mango shell in the country, Rusakov said.

Mango shells are feathered armour-piercing projectiles for 125 mm calibre tank guns. Production of the shells was launched in the USSR in 1983. They were put into service in 1986.

The contract for the licensed production of Mango shells in India was signed in 2014.

The apparatus will enable T-90 tank crews to conduct deep fording for at least 45 minutes. State-owned defense lab DRDO is expected to transfer the technology to the private sector for mass production, following which they will be made available to the army starting 2019.

https://sputniknews.com/asia/201809181068139292-indias-indigenous-breathing-apparatus-tanks/

Pinto wrote:https://in.rbth.com/defence/2017/03/15/india-to-produce-mango-shells-for-t-90-tanks_720066
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Why not more modern shells instead of this 30 years old thing. Only 450mm at 2000m penetration.

3VBM19/3BM42M (3BM44M "Lekalo") with 650 mm at 2000m according to wiki or svinets-2 with 720mm at 2000m are much better and more usefull.

Isos wrote:

Pinto wrote:https://in.rbth.com/defence/2017/03/15/india-to-produce-mango-shells-for-t-90-tanks_720066
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Why not more modern shells instead of this 30 years old thing. Only 450mm at 2000m penetration.

3VBM19/3BM42M (3BM44M "Lekalo") with 650 mm at 2000m according to wiki or svinets-2 with 720mm at 2000m are much better and more usefull.

bro i don't know much tech details abt it i just shared the news

GarryB wrote:I rather suspect the question was... what are they prepared to sell, what do they actually need for the threats they face... and how much each option costs...

Sounds like they just want to get the tank into service with an AP round made domestically so no one can prevent supplies during war time...

Well those shells are made of tungsten so there isn't lot of differences between them for production. Maybe russians wants to keep selling them the expensive ones while they give them the old one to produce at home.

Government of India approved the purchase of 464 T-90MS tanks for the Indian Army

According to Jane's Defense Weekly magazine in an article by Rahul Bedi "India’s Cabinet Committee on Security approves procurement of 464 T-90MS tanks", in early April 2019, the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS), headed by the Prime Minister Minister of India Narendra Modi, approved the purchase for the Indian army of 464 Russian T-90MS tanks in the amount of 134.48 billion rupees (1.93 billion dollars). The corresponding contract with Rosoboronexport JSC must be signed by the Indian Ministry of Defense "within a few months."


Prototype T-90MS tank during tests in Kuwait, 2014 (c) Rosoboronexport JSC

Earlier in November 2016, the Defense Acquisition Council of the Indian Ministry of Defense decided to acquire 464 T-90MS tanks, which were now finally approved by the Indian government.

The officers of the Indian army told the author of the article that these tanks should be assembled at the Indian state tank factory Heavy Vehicles Factory (HVF) in Avadi from vehicle sets supplied by the Russian Uralvagonzavod Scientific Industrial Corporation (UVZ). T-90MS are planned to be equipped with ten tank regiments of the indian army.

According to statements by officers of the Indian Army, the planned return to the assembly of tanks from Russian vehicle sets for HVF is associated with low rates of full-scale licensed production of T-90S tanks there. To date, the HVF plant has built only 350 to 400 T-90S tanks (Bhishma) under a Russian-Indian license agreement of 2006 providing for the release of 1,000 T-90S tanks in Avadi by 2020. The first ten T-90S licensed tanks manufactured for HVF were transferred to the Indian Army in August 2009.

Earlier, under the contracts of 2001 and 2007, the plant in Avadi more successfully assembled 409 T-90S tanks from vehicle sets supplied from Russia with UVZ (another 248 T-90S tanks were supplied ready to India by UVZ).

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3601358.html

http://tass.com/defense/1052790

https://www.rt.com/news/455949-india-russia-t90-tanks/

These tanks are simply the best available in the market

Indian Ministry of Defense issues a contract for the production of 464 T-90MS tanks

According to the Indian newspaper The Times of India in Chethan Kumar’s article “Bhishma tanks to made in Tamil Nadu's Avadi”, the Indian Ministry of Defense issued a contract worth about 20 thousand crore rupees to the state tank building company Avadi in Avadi (2, $ 8 billion) for the manufacture of 464 T-90 tanks for the Indian army (apparently, we are talking about T-90MS tanks). The supply of tanks is expected to take at least four years.

On the part of bmpd, we recall that in early April 2019, the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) of India, headed by Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, approved the purchase of 464 Russian T-90MS tanks for the Indian army in the amount of 134.48 billion Rs. ($ 1.93 billion). The corresponding contract with Rosoboronexport JSC was signed by the Ministry of Defense of India, apparently in November. Tanks should be assembled at the Indian state-owned HVF tank plant in Avadi from car kits supplied by the Russian Uralvagonzavod Scientific Industrial Corporation JSC (UVZ). 464 tanks being purchased. T-90MS is planned to equip ten tank regiments of the Indian army.

According to statements by Indian army officers, the planned return to the assembly of HVF tanks from Russian car kits is associated with the low rate of full-fledged licensed production of T-90C tanks there. To date, the HVF plant has built no more than 500 T-90S tanks (Bhishma) under the 2006 Russian-Indian license agreement, which envisages the release of 1000 T-90C tanks in Avadi by 2020. The first ten licensed T-90S tanks manufactured by the HVF were handed over to the Indian Army in August 2009.

Earlier, under contracts in 2001 and 2007, the Avadi plant more successfully assembled 409 T-90S tanks from vehicle sets delivered from Russia from UVZ (another 248 T-90S tanks were delivered to India with UVZ ready).

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3831948.html

T90 is doing great

When will export version of T14 armata will be ready ?

India will continue to manufacture T-90S tanks, a contract for T-90MS has not yet been signed

According to Jane's Defense Weekly magazine, in an article by Rahul Bedi, "Indian MoD awards OFB USD2.8 billion contract to license-build 464 additional T-90S MBTs", issued on November 6, 2019 by the Indian Ministry of Defense to the state Indian defense industry association Ordnance Factory Board (OFB), which includes the Indian heavy vehicle factory (HVF) in Avadi, a contract worth about 20 thousand crore rupees ($ 2.8 billion) to produce 464 tanks for the Indian army, is a contract to continue licensed production of tanks T-90S / SK in the framework of the Russian-Indian intergovernmental An agreement on the licensed release of 1000 T-90S / SK tanks (Indian designation Bhishma) by the HVF until 2020.

 Thus, we are talking about the completion of the production of 1000 T-90S / SK tanks under this 2006 license agreement. Recall that the first ten licensed T-90S tanks manufactured at HVF under this agreement were transferred to the Indian army in August 2009, and in total, the company has built no more than 500 licensed T-90C / SK tanks to date. Thus, in 2020, the completion of the first stage for the licensed production of 536 tanks is expected, and now the Indian Ministry of Defense has issued an HVF contract for the licensed production of the remaining 464 T-90S / SK tanks. The production of these 464 tanks is expected to take at least four years in Avadi.

 Earlier, under contracts in 2001 and 2007, the Avadi plant more successfully assembled 409 T-90S / SK tanks from machine sets delivered from Russia with NPK Uralvagonzavod JSC (UVZ) (another 248 T-90S / SK tanks were delivered to India with UVZ ready )

 As for the modernized T-90MS tanks, the purchase of 464 units of which in the amount of 134.48 billion rupees ($ 1.93 billion) at the beginning of April 2019 was approved by the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS), headed by the Prime Minister Minister of India Narendra Modi, then, according to the above publication, the corresponding contract for their purchase with JSC Rosoboronexport by the Indian Ministry of Defense has not yet been signed, and pre-contract negotiations of the parties are ongoing. It is worth noting that all the data of 464 T-90MS tanks should not be produced by HVF under license, but will be collected in Avadi from car kits supplied from UVZ. This should speed up and reduce the cost of the process of their delivery to the Indian army (it is indicative that 464 T-90MS tanks from car kits, according to preliminary estimates, are one third cheaper than the same number of less perfect T-90S tanks of Indian licensed production).

 Previously, the Indian Ministry of Defense expects to receive 464 T-90MS tanks from 2022 to 2026 to equip ten tank regiments of the Indian army, with the first 64 tanks to be delivered within 30 to 41 months from the date of signing the contract. .
 
It is reported that the terms of the contract for the acquisition of 464 T-90MS tanks by India were discussed at the 9th meeting of the Intergovernmental Commission of India and Russia on military and military-technical cooperation, which was held in early November in Moscow.

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3834593.html

If India wish to make Russians weapon systems in India on license production then they must kick out state run Govt owned cos from these works as the cost of local production is more then double in some cases and rather govt shall award these contracts private cos

https://www.defensenews.com/land/2019/11/26/india-pays-russia-12-billion-in-technology-transfer-fees-for-t-90s-tanks/

NEW DELHI — India has awarded a $3.12 billion contract for local production of 464 T-90S main battle tanks after paying a technology transfer fee to Russia.

The contract was signed with little fanfare earlier this month. The deal stipulates that Russian original equipment manufacturer UralVagonZavod and arms export agency Rosoboronexport will be paid $1.2 billion for technology transfer, while India’s state-owned Ordnance Factory Board will be paid $1.92 billion for local production of 464 T-90S tanks, according to an Indian Ministry of Defence official.

India will pay the Russian defense companies in roubles, Russia’s currency.

The MoD official described the price tag of the technology transfer as too high, noting that domestic production of the tanks will increase to 80 percent from the current level of 40 percent.

A senior OFB executive said complete localization of T-90S tanks in India is impossible, as a large number of parts must continue to be imported. The parts that will be locally produced include panoramic night sights, thermal imaging fire-control systems and explosive reactive armor, he added. However, the engines and transmission system that makes up 45 percent of the cost of a T-90S tank will come from Russia.

Another MoD official said Russian defense companies will have to undertake full production and localization guarantees. In addition, both OFB and the two Russian firms will be penalized by the MoD should the project hit production delays or cost overruns.

OFB and UralVagonZavod are expected to manufacture 120 T-90S tanks per year and complete the project within four years.

Rosoboronexport executives in India declined to comment on the deal.

The T-90S tanks are to be manufactured at OFB’s Heavy Factory in Avadi, southern India, but more than a dozen ordnance factories will carry out assembly of subsystems imported from multiple Russian defense companies.

A senior Indian Army official said greater localization of the tank does not significantly help because life cycle support is not included. Because of this, the official argued, the service ends up paying three times more than the original cost of the tank.

The Army currently operates 1,100 T-90S tanks, of which 300 were directly procured from Russia.

Russia in talks with India to upgrade T-90S Bhishma main battle tanks

https://tass.com/defense/1117629

T-72 and T-90 of the Indian Army to be equipped with new DRDO developed Laser Warning Receiver for protection against attacks from Turkish TB-2 drones that Pakistan has procured.

Indian tank columns are also protected by Spyder SAM and Akash SAM.

Sujoy wrote:T-72 and T-90 of the Indian Army to be equipped with new DRDO developed Laser Warning Receiver for protection against attacks from Turkish TB-2 drones that Pakistan has procured.

Indian tank columns are also protected by Spyder SAM and Akash SAM.

Pretty useless. At the ranges drones attack receiving a alarm saying you've been shot at is useless. The missile will hit anyway.

What they need is a 360° APS. Indian have the capability to create one. They have home made radars that can be used as a basis and plenty of electronics suppliers. They also have good software engineers. APS aren't hard to design.

After seeing the result of atgm use in Syria, Ukraine and Yemen I'm wondering why no one is rushing to develop and install them on all tanks and frontline vehicles.

Isos wrote: Pretty useless. At the ranges drones attack receiving a alarm saying you've been shot at is useless. The missile will hit anyway.

What they need is a 360° APS.

Perhaps useless but APS too is untested technology. Maybe this explains why Russians have not installed a single APS on tanks like T-90 deployed in Ukraine because they realize it is not going to be of much help.

Russian tanks have been targeted on a number of ocassions by 4-5 ATGMs. Four, five ATGMs will overwhelm any APS.

Sujoy wrote:

Isos wrote: Pretty useless. At the ranges drones attack receiving a alarm saying you've been shot at is useless. The missile will hit anyway.

What they need is a 360° APS.

Perhaps useless but APS too is untested technology. Maybe this explains why Russians have not installed a single APS on tanks like T-90 deployed in Ukraine because they realize it is not going to be of much help.

Russian tanks have been targeted on a number of ocassions by 4-5 ATGMs.  Four, five ATGMs will overwhelm any APS.

APS were tested by soviet in afghanistan and the result showed 80% more survivability back in the 70s with 70s techno.

Israeli trophy showed very good results.

Coordinating a simultanous attack with 4 or 5 atgm is hard. And you can't do it everytime. Having 5 launchers at the same place is impossible. APS aren't perfect and you will always find a way to beat it but in normal cases it is a wonderful protection.