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Interesting. So there is a possibility that they may convert the S-300V to be able to operate anti sat capabilities as well?
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A-235/PL-19 Nudol ABM-ASAT
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sepheronx wrote:Interesting. So there is a possibility that they may convert the S-300V to be able to operate anti sat capabilities as well?
I speculated in the past that some of the S-500's missile variants may find their way to older systems, after modernization of course. Both S-300V4 and S-400 have max ranges of 400 km, so it's not totally impossible that newer missiles will push the envelope from 400 km to 600 km with compatibility and necessary modification/modernization.
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US confirms new successful test of Nudol ASAT missile
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/russia-flight-tests-anti-satellite-missile/
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/russia-flight-tests-anti-satellite-missile/
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Can new Nudol ASAT destroy GEO based satellites ?
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zg18 wrote:US confirms new successful test of Nudol ASAT missile
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/russia-flight-tests-anti-satellite-missile/
Pay serious attention how they (neo-cons) keep referring to Nudol/A-235 as simply an ASAT system as opposed to a Anti-ICBM ABM with additional ASAT capability...this is grade A black propaganda, because once the average Joe neo-con realizes that Russia is putting 2 different Anti-ICBM ABM's in to service (S-500, Nudol/A-235) in the same time frame and NATO will have no Anti-ICBM system in service, they'd be far more hesitant to push the ABM Meatshield in Europe.
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magnumcromagnon wrote:zg18 wrote:US confirms new successful test of Nudol ASAT missile
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/russia-flight-tests-anti-satellite-missile/
Pay serious attention how they (neo-cons) keep referring to Nudol/A-235 as simply an ASAT system as opposed to a Anti-ICBM ABM with additional ASAT capability...this is grade A black propaganda, because once the average Joe neo-con realizes that Russia is putting 2 different Anti-ICBM ABM's in to service (S-500, Nudol/A-235) in the same time frame and NATO will have no Anti-ICBM system in service, they'd be far more hesitant to push the ABM Meatshield in Europe.
Agreed, Russia made good decision to keep advancing in key area it has considerable edge over US.
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Russia conducted another test of the Nudol ASAT system on Wednesday, May 25, 2016. The test is said to be successful.
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1924797.html
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1924797.html
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Article on A-235 with some detail useful for Austin and its interst/doubts
http://svpressa.ru/war21/article/149632/
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Mindstorm wrote:
Article on A-235 with some detail useful for Austin and its interst/doubts
http://svpressa.ru/war21/article/149632/
Holy crap, there's some serious jewels in that article:
"Expert Council member board of the Military-Industrial Commission of the Russian Federation, the chief editor of "Arsenal Fatherland" Viktor Murakhovski: Given that the mutual speed of interception will be, probably, more than 10 kilometers per second (or close to this figure), here to destroy even the explosive is required."
I might be confused, but its either the speed of the target being intercepted, or the minimum flight-speed of A-235 is 10 km/sec?!?! That speed of 10 km/sec translates to approximately Mach 30, the use of "mutual speed of interception" suggests that the A-235 fly's at Mach 30 speed as well. Either way US/UK based neo-cons truly screwed up now!
Furthermore, Mindstorm do you have any new information concerning the truck based ROFAR OTH radars being developed by KRET? I suspect A-235/Nudol's radar sets maybe based off ROFAR technology, as it's the only type of radar technology capable of allowing A-235/Nudol complex to perform at it's maximum capability.
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Given that the mutual speed of interception will be, probably, more than 10 kilometers per second (or close to this figure), here to destroy even the explosive is required."
I think he means closing speed... ie impact speed = speed of S-500 + incoming threat speed.
As the target speed is at most 7km per second this means the speed of the S-500 interceptor is at least 3km/s and likely rather more because the impact speed will be more than 10km per second.
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Mindstorm wrote:
Article on A-235 with some detail useful for Austin and its interst/doubts
http://svpressa.ru/war21/article/149632/
Very Interesting , Thanks Mindstorm.
So A-235 is like mobile GBD system which is great thing in itself , Can intercept ICBM target in midcourse and altitude at 650 -700 km in Height , typical height of Sun-Synchronus orbit and above LEO orbit
Lets see what comes out , Right now I find S-500 very impressive for what it can do
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GarryB wrote:Given that the mutual speed of interception will be, probably, more than 10 kilometers per second (or close to this figure), here to destroy even the explosive is required."
I think he means closing speed... ie impact speed = speed of S-500 + incoming threat speed.
As the target speed is at most 7km per second this means the speed of the S-500 interceptor is at least 3km/s and likely rather more because the impact speed will be more than 10km per second.
Well if that's the case then the word 'mutual' wouldn't be used then and he would of used the word 'combined' instead, and why would A-235 have the same characteristics as S-500 when it's designed to have a higher capability? For that matter the 3 km/s figure that you just threw out there is only slightly faster than 48N6E2, 48N6DM/48N6E3 missiles for the S-400, which fly at 2 km/sec...we are talking about A-235/Nudol here right? BTW having a interceptor with at least 10km/sec speed would make sense in the long run to counter-balance any enemies future developments in boost-glide hypersonic vehicles...as the increased maneuverability would require faster speeds on behalf of the interceptor to maintain any successful engagement capability.
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magnumcromagnon wrote:GarryB wrote:Given that the mutual speed of interception will be, probably, more than 10 kilometers per second (or close to this figure), here to destroy even the explosive is required."
I think he means closing speed... ie impact speed = speed of S-500 + incoming threat speed.
As the target speed is at most 7km per second this means the speed of the S-500 interceptor is at least 3km/s and likely rather more because the impact speed will be more than 10km per second.
Well if that's the case then the word 'mutual' wouldn't be used then and he would of used the word 'combined' instead, and why would A-235 have the same characteristics as S-500 when it's designed to have a higher capability? For that matter the 3 km/s figure that you just threw out there is only slightly faster than 48N6E2, 48N6DM/48N6E3 missiles for the S-400, which fly at 2 km/sec...we are talking about A-235/Nudol here right? BTW having a interceptor with at least 10km/sec speed would make sense in the long run to counter-balance any enemies future developments in boost-glide hypersonic vehicles...as the increased maneuverability would require faster speeds on behalf of the interceptor to maintain any successful engagement capability.
I second your logic. A 10 km/s speed would be the correct design target and not 3 km/s. Since the A-235 is a silo system it could be as big as needed to achieve such warhead speeds. Since it does not need to deliver a fragile payload to orbit it can accelerate like hell and be much smaller than a regular rocket or ICBM. The faster the burn, the smaller the amount of rocket fuel needed to reach the same velocity.
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Well if that's the case then the word 'mutual' wouldn't be used then and he would of used the word 'combined' instead, and why would A-235 have the same characteristics as S-500 when it's designed to have a higher capability?
I agree that mutual is a poor choice of words in this case, but are you suggesting mutual means counting the speed of the interceptor but not the target?
We already know the target speed is up to 7km/s, so the speeds of both combined that equal at least 10km/s means the interceptor must be travelling at at least 3km/s... that would make the combined speed 10km/s.
For that matter the 3 km/s figure that you just threw out there is only slightly faster than 48N6E2, 48N6DM/48N6E3 missiles for the S-400, which fly at 2 km/sec...we are talking about A-235/Nudol here right?
Yeah... I just made that speed up obviously... I mean if the incoming target can be travelling at up to 7km/s then obviously to have a closing speed of more than 10km/s then the interceptor must be travelling at like a million miles an hour...
BTW having a interceptor with at least 10km/sec speed would make sense in the long run to counter-balance any enemies future developments in boost-glide hypersonic vehicles...as the increased maneuverability would require faster speeds on behalf of the interceptor to maintain any successful engagement capability.
Lets change a word... instead of talking about a mutual interception speed of 10km/s or more, how about we consider it impact speed. BTW I would define the interception speed as the combined speed of the interceptor and the target... impact speed just makes that clearer.
But can I ask... why does S-500 need a speed of 10km/s? Is it going to launch from Alaska and have to chase these targets down all over Russia?
Looking at this image again:
Note it says S-500 in the bottom centre, but if you actually look at all the vehicles pictured... from top left to right top to bottom we have S-350 Vityaz, Improved TOR on a wheeled launcher, S-400, the missile launcher in question, and bottom right we have BUK3.
Maybe the S-500 is the system that is not pictured and this is a picture of all the systems that will support the S-500 in service...
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An article from Politrussia on missile defense: https://translate.yandex.by/web?url=http://politrussia.com/vooruzhennye-sily/kak-rossiya-laquo-nezametno-raquo-426/
to compliment Viktors post:
VCS successfully tested a short-range anti-missile defense system
to compliment Viktors post:
VCS successfully tested a short-range anti-missile defense system
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sepheronx wrote:An article from Politrussia on missile defense: https://translate.yandex.by/web?url=http://politrussia.com/vooruzhennye-sily/kak-rossiya-laquo-nezametno-raquo-426/
Nice
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Some recent construction activity at the Chekhov radar site near Moscow it might be related to (among other things) to the Nudol ASAT program.
http://russianforces.org/blog/2016/06/construction_at_the_chekhov_radar_site.shtml
http://russianforces.org/blog/2016/06/construction_at_the_chekhov_radar_site.shtml
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http://freebeacon.com/national-security/russia-conducts-fifth-test-new-anti-satellite-missile/
December 16th, Russia tested successfully Nudol abm system.
December 16th, Russia tested successfully Nudol abm system.
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miketheterrible wrote:http://freebeacon.com/national-security/russia-conducts-fifth-test-new-anti-satellite-missile/
December 16th, Russia tested successfully Nudol abm system.
Freebeacon??.... Izvestia is more reliable.
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Others have reported it. Dunno what you hate about Free Beacon. So far has been pretty good at reporting. They also name the official too. Pentagon spokeswoman Lt. Col. Michelle Baldanza. So it isn't like we have "unnamed sources".
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The same missile will be part of the A-235 and S-500 meaning Russian national missile defense will have its fixed and mobile variant.
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Viktor wrote:The same missile will be part of the A-225 and S-500 meaning Russian national missile defense will have its fixed and mobile variant.
A-225/Nudol isn't fixed, it's mobile.
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Russia Conducts Fifth Test of New Anti-Satellite Missile
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/russia-conducts-fifth-test-new-anti-satellite-missile/
I always wondered if the launcher image is of S-500 or Nudal ?
http://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/1773939_original.jpg
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/russia-conducts-fifth-test-new-anti-satellite-missile/
I always wondered if the launcher image is of S-500 or Nudal ?
http://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/1773939_original.jpg
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I'm not sure if this has been posted here:
Render image of the A-235 "Nudol" system's TEL from Milkavkaz.net
Note that this is fictional, and the real steel system may vary in look.
Source:
http://www.milkavkaz.net/2016/08/kakovo-sostoyanie-protivoraketnoj-oborony-vks-rf.html
Render image of the A-235 "Nudol" system's TEL from Milkavkaz.net
Note that this is fictional, and the real steel system may vary in look.
Source:
http://www.milkavkaz.net/2016/08/kakovo-sostoyanie-protivoraketnoj-oborony-vks-rf.html
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magnumcromagnon wrote:Viktor wrote:The same missile will be part of the A-235 and S-500 meaning Russian national missile defense will have its fixed and mobile variant.
A-235/Nudol isn't fixed, it's mobile.
It could be that they all use the same missile.