Yemeni Conflict: News #2

AlfaT8 wrote:

medo wrote:http://militaryaviationreview.com/uae-at-802-archangel-crashes-off-yemeni-coast

Not only Saudi Typhoon, but also UAE AT-802 crash in Yemen in last few days and both were doing CAS mission. There is a good posibility, that they were shot down by SAMs, most probably by MANPADs.

Sound like there are a lots of Iglas and Misagh-1s, causing "technical faults" to these aircrafts.

MANPADs are not supposed to down advanced, state of the art avionics, immaculate engineered Western aircraft. Iglas had a malfunction that's why the aircraft was downed.

Definitely nothing to hide then?

By JAMEY KEATEN Associated Press

September 26, 2017 10:42 AM
GENEVA

Saudi Arabia has threatened other countries over a proposed resolution at the U.N.'s main human rights body, saying if they send international, independent investigators to war-torn Yemen that could "negatively affect" trade and diplomatic ties with the wealthy kingdom, a Saudi letter obtained Tuesday by The Associated Press shows.

Two competing resolutions — one by Saudi Arabia and other Arab states and another by Canada and the Netherlands — have been proposed on how to best document the human rights violations in Yemen. The resolutions are shaping up as the main diplomatic showdown at the Human Rights Council session that ends Friday.

Saudi Arabia has sent a letter to at least two foreign countries warning that the Arab states "will not accept" the Dutch-Canadian resolution, which seeks an "international, independent investigation."

U.N. human rights chief Zeid Ra'ad al-Hussein has repeatedly called for such an investigation.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/article175411431.html#storylink=cpy

Flipflops, OK Yemini Army, shoot down what looks to be a Reaper from its prop.


Cemal‏ @Acemal71 1h1 hour ago
Replying to @Acemal71

Honewell TPE331-10 Turboprop motor, Amatek fan ve güdümlü füze parçasına bakılırsa kesinlikle Amerikan Reaper MQ-9 İHA.

Yuri L‏ @imp_navigator 54m54 minutes ago

Probably it's indeed US drone was shot down over Sanaa.. M299 - it's launcher for Hellfire missiles

CGTN‏Verified account @CGTNOfficial

US drone shot down by #Houthi missile in #Yemen's capital Sanaa on Sunday morning, Xinhua reports citing #Houthi officials and residents

https://twitter.com/CGTNOfficial/status/914426681443700736


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BBC reporting Saudi Arabia Riyadh Airport targeted by Borkan-2H missile هدف گرفتن عربستان توسط موشک

I am so pleased with the latest news . Congratulations to Yemen rocket designer . So much progress under so much pressure and I hope that Saudi rulers will see that this war they have started , can bring ruin to Arabia , in more ways than one . And that for sake of both nations that they should stop the bombing and allow millions of starving Yemen people to get food and start to rebuild their life . Riding the sectarian tiger into war , will end in the tiger throwing them off and devouring them .

The warmongers who profit , will profit even more . For as long as saudis consume their products . By waging war and buying their weapons . American warmongering companies must be the target . Their means to make weapons and to stash their ill gotten gains and their safe heavens ..........

yavar wrote:


BBC reporting Saudi Arabia Riyadh Airport targeted by Borkan-2H missile

Wait wait where? in Riyadh Airport

Saudis must be winning then.

Bin Salman is doing Night of the Long Knives in Riadh, fun times

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/04/saudi-arabia-ousts-ministers-arrests-princes-and-former-officials.html

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

yavar wrote:


BBC reporting Saudi Arabia Riyadh Airport targeted by Borkan-2H missile

Wait wait where? in   Riyadh Airport

Saudis must be winning then.  

Looks like they may have hit the target regardless of Saudi claims the missile, probably as above a 'super' Scud, was intercepted. Seen video of explosions/smoke plus a four round Patriot? salvo lifting off.

JohninMK wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

yavar wrote:


BBC reporting Saudi Arabia Riyadh Airport targeted by Borkan-2H missile

Wait wait where? in   Riyadh Airport

Saudis must be winning then.  

Looks like they may have hit the target regardless of Saudi claims the missile, probably as above a 'super' Scud, was intercepted. Seen video of explosions/smoke plus a four round Patriot? salvo lifting off.

I am sure they were telling truth. One Scud with traditional 60yo design was intercepted.
But I did not see any info about how many were launched thai night...

PapaDragon wrote:Bin Salman is doing Night of the Long Knives in Riadh, fun times

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/04/saudi-arabia-ousts-ministers-arrests-princes-and-former-officials.html

And this right after visit in Russia. I am sure its again  Putin's fault      

JohninMK wrote: هيكل بافنع‏ @BaFana3 17h17 hours ago

15 angry hysterical #Saudi airstrikes on #Yemen capital Sanaa tonight so far. Tells me the Yemeni Burkan 2H missile DID hit Riyadh Airport.

oh this does not exclude their version: one didn't

Saudi Helicopter Carrying 8 High-Ranking Officials & Crown Prince Mansour Crashed - All Dead


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-05/saudi-helicopter-carrying-8-high-ranking-officials-crown-prince-mansour-crashed-all-

Prince Mansour Bin Megrin is dead, poisoned by his enemies...

Yemeni resistance force fire Burkan-2H ballistic missile at Saudi Airport Riyadh 4-11-2017مقاومت یمن

Yemeni resistance force Al-Mandab-1 Naval Cruise missile موشک کروز نیروی دریایی المندب مقاومت یمن

PapaDragon wrote:Saudi Helicopter Carrying 8 High-Ranking Officials & Crown Prince Mansour Crashed - All Dead


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-05/saudi-helicopter-carrying-8-high-ranking-officials-crown-prince-mansour-crashed-all-

Prince Mansour Bin Megrin is dead, poisoned by his enemies...

Meeh this was to keep barrel price on right level  without Brazil commitment for OPEC

yavar wrote:Yemeni resistance force fire Burkan-2H ballistic missile at Saudi Airport Riyadh 4-11-2017مقاومت یمن
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Yemeni resistance force Al-Mandab-1 Naval Cruise missile موشک کروز نیروی دریایی المندب مقاومت یمن

but what will be now with blockade of ports? I hope this will be lifted otherwise it is hard to continue of resistance

Quite a good background article on the Sudanese army in Yemen

"In late September, the military leader of Sudan’s Rapid Support Forces (RSF), General Muhammad Hamdan Daqlu (a.k.a. “Hametti”), unintentionally sparked controversy by announcing that 412 Sudanese soldiers had been killed in the war in Yemen, a figure of which most Sudanese people were wholly unaware (al-Sayha [Khartoum], September 27; Akhbar al-Yemen [Sanaa], September 27)."

https://jamestown.org/program/sudans-controversial-rapid-support-forces-bolsters-saudi-efforts-yemen/

U.S AF LT. Gen. Harrigian: ballistic missile fired by Yemen has Iranian markings موشک یمن ایرانی بود

U.S. Air Force commander in the Mideast LT. Gen. Jeffrey Harrigian: said that Iran manufactured the ballistic missile fired by Yemen toward the Saudi capital. He said remnants of the missile bore "Iranian markings.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/us-air-force-official-missile-targeting-saudis-was-iranian/2017/11/10/7adab2d0-c618-11e7-9922-4151f5ca6168_story.html?utm_term=.f0ecf1a0873a

Murderous bastards

Al Jazeera English‏Verified account @AJEnglish
6h6 hours ago

Saudi alliance bombs Yemen's main international airport, destroying a navigation system critical to receiving already limited aid http://aje.io/d78uh

Visc wrote:Russia, Saudi Arabia sign air defense contracts

Russia and Saudi Arabia have reached agreements on the supplies of S-400 missile systems

MOSCOW, November 13. /TASS/. Russia and Saudi Arabia have signed contracts on air defense, Head of Russia’s Federal Service for Military and Technical Cooperation Dmitry Shugayev told Rossiya 24 on Monday.
"We have well-known contracts on air defense and other issues, which have been signed," Shugayev said, giving no details on the particular systems.
Earlier, the press service of the Federal Service for Military and Technical Cooperation said Russia and Saudi Arabia had reached agreements on the supplies of S-400 missile systems.

http://tass.com/defense/975329

Any explanation for this? This is much worse than Turkey story, which fortunately did not materialize (yet).
I really hope this too is some kind of a game and it will stay at that! Because if child-killing terror state of KSA gets S-400 (or any other system capable of stopping missiles from Yemen) Russia and Putin are not friends of this world.

Admin/mod thanks but no thanks for moving my post from Yemen thread to a thread with a very low number of daily views (KSA-Russia trade deals). This is highly relevant here so please do not move it. I support(ed) Russia, but this is just disgusting and unbelievable as Russia knows very well what's going on in Yemen. Does anyone have any more info or any explanation for this shameful announcement?

Yemen will not be destroyed if Saudi Arabia has S-400 missiles.

I would suggest a good probability that Saudi Arabia eventually pulls out of the deal anyway.... they tend to do that after promising to buy lots of Russian stuff.

If Russia supplies SA with lots of military equipment it gives them some strings to pull in terms of influence.

Currently the Saudis are turning away from the US.. Russia clearly wants to encourage this and does not have that many products to sell that Saudi A would be interested in.

If Russia does not sell them these weapons they have plenty of money to buy weapons elsewhere... Aster, THAAD, etc etc.

A few billion dollars to Antei Almaz will further develop Russian AD systems and SA is known for paying top dollar for systems.

If I would have to say, these (S-400 for Turkey and Saudi Arabia) seem the type of contracts that never become real.

GarryB wrote:Yemen will not be destroyed if Saudi Arabia has S-400 missiles.

A few billion dollars to Antei Almaz will further develop Russian AD systems and SA is known for paying top dollar for systems.

Are you even aware what's going on in Yemen, how horrible the situation is? Imagine getting indiscriminately bombed by advanced warplanes every day for nearly 3 years, without knowing when and where the junkie psychopaths will drop the next bomb... The country is completely blocked, there is no medical supplies coming in, no food, nothing. It's just death and despair! Regarding civilian casualties, disease and suffering, it is worse than Syria 2011/12.
Iranian Navy tried getting through but was chased away by the sheer superiority of the Saudi-led coalition that is blocking sea access. And what is Russia doing? Making deals with KSA to sell them air defense...

A few billion dollars to Antei Almaz will further allow the barbaric KSA terror state to continue indiscriminate killing and relax at the same time because there would be no possibility of retaliation from the Yemeni army and Ansarullah. But hey, business is business I guess?

GarryB wrote:If Russia supplies SA with lots of military equipment it gives them some strings to pull in terms of influence.

Currently, the Saudis are turning away from the US.. Russia clearly wants to encourage this and does not have that many products to sell that Saudi A would be interested in.

Russia's influence on KSA will never be of any significance. KSA's borders were drawn by UK, the House of Saud was placed to rule Arabia by the UK and, naturally, KSA is Israel's stooge since day one (now it's coming to light even for the ignorant part of the world). That said, Saudis would not and cannot exist without the US/UK/Israel/West. So the Saudis are not turning away from the US - this is impossible and something that cannot and will not happen unless KSA is destroyed militarily and Arabia leadership completely replaced.

GarryB wrote:If Russia does not sell them these weapons they have plenty of money to buy weapons elsewhere... Aster, THAAD, etc etc.

Western air defense systems are plastic toys compared to Russian air defense systems. Why do you think the West is so much afraid of Iranian missiles?

GarryB wrote:I would suggest a good probability that Saudi Arabia eventually pulls out of the deal anyway.... they tend to do that after promising to buy lots of Russian stuff.

This is the only somewhat viable part of your reply, except that KSA would love to get their hands on Russian air defense and only Russia can make them pull out or Russia itself can cancel the deal.

In conclusion, this could be some high-level game (possibly similar to Turkey S-400 deal) that Russia is playing with the West which is hard to comprehend without inside information - and hopefully ends with nothing really delivered. Either that or Russia is still infiltrated and not a sovereign country, or in the worst case scenario - a wolf in sheep's clothing. No other explanations (or excuses).

The KSA getting S-400 will not in any way hinder the Yemeni resistance nor alter the war. I very much believe that the timelines between delivery of the system and the war continuation/end won't even overlap. The S-400 deal is a gift offering to Russia by the Saudi's and one that the Russians will not say no to given the future outlook of the defense market.

It's beyond my understanding currently the state of the Saudi family and its future geopolitical orientation (we can guess but it's just that, guess/rumours etc). It's however a fact that the KSA will need to shift to China eventually and managing a double-alliance between China/U.S will be a problem. Another fact is clear; the U.S will not hand over Saudi Arabia on a silver plate to the Chinesse...they'll burn it down to pieces before that and I'm sure the U.S is building such strategies for such an eventuality.

If anyone should be bothered would be Iran but Iran is not planning an invasion of Saudi Arabia anytime soon and moreover, if it did, those batteries that the Saudi's will acquire will not be enough of a defense to shield KSA from Iran's ballistic missiles. Not even the planned THAAD acquisition, which is more fine-tuned for ballistic missile intersection will be enough. Plus there is more to war than that. Saudi's collapse is much more likely to happen as a result of internal strife rather than an invasion by a third party. Given the fact that both the U.S/China are interested in a stable/predictable KSA, no one will touch them. Russia is the only superpower of the Big 3 that perhaps in the future couldn't give two shits about them....that's; once the Russian economy is sufficiently large and diversified. China needs their oil... USA needs their oil (although not a deal breaker) but more so it needs the petro-dollar link. Russia only needs the KSA to refrain from oversupplying the market but that card will soon be of insignificant worth, not to mention extremely damaging to the KSA itself. So, the Chinesse and the Americans will battle it out for KSA while Russia "already" has Iran - that is, if it's not stupid enough to lose it by failing to consummate the strategic partnership at all levels and defend its ally with upmost ferocity - while it still can. If Russia can consummate the strategic partnership and keep the U.S from sending Iran back to the stone age (with China's "inaction") Russia is well positioned to be the most important foreign superpower partner of the strongest nation on the middle east - which Iran is on a trajectory to being.

Anyway in Russian calculus; you take the money while you can. It's literally nothing.

I'm more worried about Russia getting outsmarted by China with regards to Saudi Arabia/Iran to be honest. The SCO is a bust as the Chinesse are holding it hostage to their own geopolitics. Or to phrase it better, Russian/Chinese geopolitical interest diverge and as such, eventually, the divergence will be so great that a split is bound to happen. Russia's is no ones junior partner and it will bide its time just like the Chinesse did with the Americans.