Su-35S: News

Oh geez the pig ignorance of the author and his audience in that FoxtrotAlpha article is simply mind boggling. How does anyone actually enjoy that crap. But I digress... I waste too much of my energy on those bull*****ing keyboard warriors. What the author does fail to note (amongst the plethora of everything else he fails to note) is that the T-50 has demonstrated maneuvers in the past that are only made possible because of its fully flexible leading edge, that 360° flatspin comes to mind. Doubtless it'll be performing more breathtaking and even historical maneuvers in the future, stuff even the Su-35S won't be able to match.

But yes, as a once famous murican keyboard warrior once stated, (I forget the intellectual titan's name) with such a surety one might almost mistake it for arrogance (never!). "Russian jets may be good for airshows, but when it comes to a real fight I'd take a tried and true American jet any day over some fancy Russian trash." The truth surely did astound me that day, and I showed myself out in deserved disgrace.

OminousSpudd wrote:Oh geez the pig ignorance of the author and his audience in that FoxtrotAlpha article is simply mind boggling.

Lets put it this way, the authors/webmasters of that website could give themselves a lobotomy with a chainsaw, and it wouldn't affect their ability to write articles in the slightest...

OminousSpudd wrote:Oh geez the pig ignorance of the author and his audience in that FoxtrotAlpha article is simply mind boggling. How does anyone actually enjoy that crap. But I digress... I waste too much of my energy on those bull*****ing keyboard warriors. What the author does fail to note (amongst the plethora of everything else he fails to note) is that the T-50 has demonstrated maneuvers in the past that are only made possible because of its fully flexible leading edge, that 360° flatspin comes to mind. Doubtless it'll be performing more breathtaking and even historical maneuvers in the future, stuff even the Su-35S won't be able to match.

But yes, as a once famous murican keyboard warrior once stated, (I forget the intellectual titan's name) with such a surety one might almost mistake it for arrogance (never!). "Russian jets may be good for airshows, but when it comes to a real fight I'd take a tried and true American jet any day over some fancy Russian trash." The truth surely did astound me that day, and I showed myself out in deserved disgrace.

"Russia's Stealthy New Fighter Was OK, But The Su-35 Stole The Show At MAKS" - This is school example of how article title should not look. Well at least they are better than that Bellingcat "military journalist and investigator".

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:
Iran is a Front runner too, since they need a new fighter ASAP. Furthermore if the money is unfrozen as due, well Iran might find the means to invest a couple billions in at least two squadrons of the 35. Just to make those Strikes in Yem...Iraq more safely.

Not sure if about exact price ratio between Su-35 and Su-30SM but looks like ~1,5:1 and Su-30 is still a huge progress from F-5 or F-14.  I mean surely Iran would appreciate S-35 but ¨aggressive¨ Iran has a military budget 1/40th of the one of leading peace and human rights defender in the world. So buying 24 Su-35 or 36 Su-30SM is a huge difference. Not to mention potential of MiG-35

Weren't there a lot of rumors that Iran was looking to buy some J-10 fighters from China recently?

Anyway glad to hear that the VVS will get some more Su-35Ss. Some less credible sources are already saying 48 birds.

Yeah there were, actually Chinese sources claim 24 J10s would be given to Iran in exchange for oil exploatation in Iran by Chinese companies.

JohninMK wrote:Indonesia's defense minister said that the country would buy Russian-made Su-35 jets following negotiations between the two countries. Indonesia's defense ministry has decided to purchase Russian Sukhoi Su-35 jets to replace its aging US-made F-5 fleet, the country's state news agency Antara reported.

Indonesia previously expressed interest in the Su-35 jet, with the country's ambassador to Russia telling RIA Novosti that the budget for purchasing the planes has already been established. Indonesian legislator Tubagus Hasanuddin previously said that Russia could provide Indonesia with a loan to buy the jets, although no further details were revealed. "We have agreed to buy a squadron of Sukhoi Su-35s from Russia to replace the F-5 Tiger jet fighters," defense minister Ryamizard Ryacudu told Antara. The contract between Indonesia and Russia will be signed later in September, according to the minister. Jakarta will buy Su-35 jets in several stages, depending on the country's financial capacity, Ryacudu said.

"We want to buy a squadron [of Sukhoi Su-35s], but the purchase will be adjusted, based on the financial capability of the government," Ryacudu added.

Indonesia and Russia previously signed a $1 billion contract in 2007 under which Indonesia purchased Russian military equipment including Sukhoi jets and Mi-35 helicopters.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/asia/20150903/1026559663/indonesia-su35-purchase-russia.html#ixzz3khRfvBWl

Only believe when contract is signed.

Our govt have quite a track record of boasting stuff without realization. Kilo-class submarine is one among it

Video about the Su-35

franco wrote:14 Su-35 and 5 Su-30M2 to be delivered this year. That should complete those ordered (48 Su-35 and 20 Su-30M2)
http://tass.ru/en/russia/819291

I hope they will soon sign contract for new order for Su-35. I wonder if they will order more Su-30M2 as they will modernize additional 36 Su-27 into Su-27SM3.

Now that there are talks of 75+ more Su-30SM to be ordered, and that with these contracts concluding, I imagine they will obtain more. By sounds of it, on technical charactoristics, the Su-35S is far more capable than Su-30SM, so it wouldnt make much sense to have 48 Su-35 and stick to just that, especially now that Knaapo plant will be idle after the Su-30M2 and Su-35S contract conclusion.

sepheronx wrote:Now that there are talks of 75+ more Su-30SM to be ordered, and that with these contracts concluding, I imagine they will obtain more. By sounds of it, on technical charactoristics, the Su-35S is far more capable than Su-30SM, so it wouldnt make much sense to have 48 Su-35 and stick to just that, especially now that Knaapo plant will be idle after the Su-30M2 and Su-35S contract conclusion.

Probably banking on export orders for the Su-35 filling the gap until the PAK-FA is procured. If something goes wrong, the VVS may have to order more Su-35Ss in order to keep the factory running.

RuAF will absolutely order more Su-35. I don't think production of PAK-FA will stop production of Su-35. They could be produced paralelly like Su-35 and Su-30M2 are now. I hope RuAF will order at least 200 Su-35 in total. Together with PAK-FA, they will represent the core of air defense in Russian air space.

medo wrote:RuAF will absolutely order more Su-35. I don't think production of PAK-FA will stop production of Su-35. They could be produced paralelly like Su-35 and Su-30M2 are now. I hope RuAF will order at least 200 Su-35 in total. Together with PAK-FA, they will represent the core of air defense in Russian air space.

The Su-35S was made as a stop-gap solution until the PAK-FA would be ready. Since the Su-35S is much more capable compared to the Su-30SM, I wish that more Su-35Ss would be acquired. I hope that they don't stop at 96 fighters and the VVS will get more. The Su-35S is a very popular plane among the pilots.

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

medo wrote:RuAF will absolutely order more Su-35. I don't think production of PAK-FA will stop production of Su-35. They could be produced paralelly like Su-35 and Su-30M2 are now. I hope RuAF will order at least 200 Su-35 in total. Together with PAK-FA, they will represent the core of air defense in Russian air space.

The Su-35S was made as a stop-gap solution until the PAK-FA would be ready. Since the Su-35S is much more capable compared to the Su-30SM, I wish that more Su-35Ss would be acquired. I hope that they don't stop at 96 fighters and the VVS will get more. The Su-35S is a very popular plane among the pilots.

Maybe Su-35 is a stop-gap, but this doesn't change its role. Su-35 is and will be air superiority fighter, which will together with PAK-FA in the future defend Russian air space. It is cheaper than PAK-FA as it is not stealth fighter, so they could be produced in larger number to provide enough regiments for protecting whole air space.

When we talk about Su-30SM, I would like to say, that Su-34 is dedicated fighter-bomber with excellent air to air capabilities. Su-35 is dedicated air superiority fighter with excellent air to ground capabilities. Su-30SM is somewhere between them and is multirole fighter with excellent air to air and air to ground capabilities, better in air to air capabilities than Su-34 and better in air to ground capabilities than Su-35 as it have WSO in the back seat. Role of Su-30SM is to increase capabilities which are needed. When air defense fighters are needeed, Su-30SM could increase their number and when air to ground fighter bombers are needed, Su-30SM could increase their number, with no need to expose dedicated planes for the roles, for which they are not dedicated.

medo wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

medo wrote:RuAF will absolutely order more Su-35. I don't think production of PAK-FA will stop production of Su-35. They could be produced paralelly like Su-35 and Su-30M2 are now. I hope RuAF will order at least 200 Su-35 in total. Together with PAK-FA, they will represent the core of air defense in Russian air space.

The Su-35S was made as a stop-gap solution until the PAK-FA would be ready. Since the Su-35S is much more capable compared to the Su-30SM, I wish that more Su-35Ss would be acquired. I hope that they don't stop at 96 fighters and the VVS will get more. The Su-35S is a very popular plane among the pilots.

Maybe Su-35 is a stop-gap, but this doesn't change its role. Su-35 is and will be air superiority fighter, which will together with PAK-FA in the future defend Russian air space. It is cheaper than PAK-FA as it is not stealth fighter, so they could be produced in larger number to provide enough regiments for protecting whole air space.

When we talk about Su-30SM, I would like to say, that Su-34 is dedicated fighter-bomber with excellent air to air capabilities. Su-35 is dedicated air superiority fighter with excellent air to ground capabilities. Su-30SM is somewhere between them and is multirole fighter with excellent air to air and air to ground capabilities, better in air to air capabilities than Su-34 and better in air to ground capabilities than Su-35 as it have WSO in the back seat. Role of Su-30SM is to increase capabilities which are needed. When air defense fighters are needeed, Su-30SM could increase their number and when air to ground fighter bombers are needed, Su-30SM could increase their number, with no need to expose dedicated planes for the roles, for which they are not dedicated.

Meanwhile in the background lurks the Mig-31. Perhaps operating in mini AWACS mode after all the really high value targets are gone.

It's quite simple actually. Su-30SM is a good plane, it's 100% combat ready, unlike Su-35S, it's cheaper and Irkut can produce them like hot cakes, 31 Su-30SM (+14 Su-30MKI kits) per year vs 14 Su-35S.

That's why the orders are piling up. VMF like it. VVS like it. They are replacing Mig-29, Su-24 and Su-27 with a single bird.

ult wrote:It's quite simple actually. Su-30SM is a good plane, it's 100% combat ready, unlike Su-35S, it's cheaper and Irkut can produce them like hot cakes, 31 Su-30SM (+14 Su-30MKI kits) per year vs 14 Su-35S.

That's why the orders are piling up. VMF like it. VVS like it. They are replacing Mig-29, Su-24 and Su-27 with a single bird.

Quite sure that the Su-35S was cleared to be combat ready recently. All the other points are true. The Su-30SM is a compromise (which isn't as bad of word as it is made out to be) and can near the Su-35S's and the Su-34's capabilities without sacrificing much to achieve either. Still, the Su-35S is really the pinnacle of 4th generation design. It still can win over fighters that are supposedly more advanced like the F-35, and it wouldn't hurt to have more of them.

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

ult wrote:It's quite simple actually. Su-30SM is a good plane, it's 100% combat ready, unlike Su-35S, it's cheaper and Irkut can produce them like hot cakes, 31 Su-30SM (+14 Su-30MKI kits) per year vs 14 Su-35S.

That's why the orders are piling up. VMF like it. VVS like it. They are replacing Mig-29, Su-24 and Su-27 with a single bird.

Quite sure that the Su-35S was cleared to be combat ready recently. All the other points are true. The Su-30SM is a compromise (which isn't as bad of word as it is made out to be) and can near the Su-35S's and the Su-34's capabilities without sacrificing much to achieve either. Still, the Su-35S is really the pinnacle of 4th generation design. It still can win over fighters that are supposedly more advanced like the F-35, and it wouldn't hurt to have more of them.

From what i saw in one article they were cleared for service somewhere in 2015. after joint state tests, idk if its official or they are still to be delivered to the units but i belive all documentation is ready and approved.

"«Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Plant named after Y.A. Gagarin (subsidiary of United Aircraft Corporation) will deliver the first four fighters of the type to Russian air forces by mid-February», — the source said. «As for official introduction of Su-35, it will be finalized by the special governmental decree after completion of the jet’s joint state testing», — the source added." - February 2014.

Ivan the Colorado wrote:
Quite sure that the Su-35S was cleared to be combat ready recently. All the other points are true. The Su-30SM is a compromise (which isn't as bad of word as it is made out to be) and can near the Su-35S's and the Su-34's capabilities without sacrificing much to achieve either. Still, the Su-35S is really the pinnacle of 4th generation design. It still can win over fighters that are supposedly more advanced like the F-35, and it wouldn't hurt to have more of them.

From what I heard there are still some things with weapons they are ironing out. That's why all new airframes are so close to the KnAAPO.

And Su-35S production will keep going as before. With 12-14 planes per year. To drastically increase production they would have needed to involve another plant. But there is no time for that.

ult wrote:Su-35S production will keep going as before. With 12-14 planes per year. To drastically increase production they would have needed to involve another plant. But there is no time for that.

The Indonesian order/letter of intent/whatever is rather small, but still, it seems like Su-35 is being pushed for export. If moderately successful, wouldn't that necessitate more production capacity? Possibly if export orders push it above a certain level, then Russia itself may decide it can go ahead and order more/at faster rate? (once sufficient order book for larger assembly line(s) is at hand)

According to members on sdelanounas comments section, is that they are still finishing up on tests and what not for Su-35S. Although, I dunno about that and I think that once the contract is concluded, there will be another to keep the company busy. That is speculation based upon various figures saying that a further 48 are going to be ordered. But the Su-30SM must really be popular since they plan to order 75 more. Which would make Su-30SM in airforce numbers over 120 aircraft and a couple dozen for navy. Imagine they may order even more, especially if there is an upgrade package to modernize the avionics of the Su-30SM to something more advance and capable (AESA radar, etc).

sepheronx wrote:According to members on sdelanounas comments section, is that they are still finishing up on tests and what not for Su-35S.  Although, I dunno about that and I think that once the contract is concluded, there will be another to keep the company busy.  That is speculation based upon various figures saying that a further 48 are going to be ordered.  But the Su-30SM must really be popular since they plan to order 75 more.  Which would make Su-30SM in airforce numbers over 120 aircraft and a couple dozen for navy.  Imagine they may order even more, especially if there is an upgrade package to modernize the avionics of the Su-30SM to something more advance and capable (AESA radar, etc).

Not surprising. Su-30SM was mostly tested in times of Su-30MKI/MKM development, while Su-35 is newer fighter and well connected with PAK-FA development and many new weapons will be used by both Su-35 and PAK-FA, like long range AAMs. More testings with Su-35 is also a way to shorten tests and developments for PAK-FA. I would say in a year or two Su-35 will become fully operational, it take time to integrate all new stuff and to train pilots in operational units.

Operational Su-35 are getting R-77-1 missile adapters. Maybe they are the first to receive those new AAMs.

According to the Airforce forum today is the first flight of the 40th serial Su-35S, the 6th one produced this year.