Russia-Iran S-300 missile systems deal

It all points out that deal will be signed and all parties satisfied.  (Me too  )




Russia wants to resolve issue concerning breach of S-300 delivery contract with Iran - Ryabkov

Russia wants to remove the issue of breaching a contract on S-300 surface-to-air missile systems’ delivery to Iran from the agenda, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said on Thursday.

“We would like to resolve the issue and to remove this problem from the agenda of Russia-Iran relations,” Ryabkov added at Russia Arms Expo-2013 in Nizhny Tagil. He also said the lawsuit was being processed in the Arbitration Court in Paris and that he wasn’t ready to add up anything to statements already made by the Russian administration and Rosoboroneksport representatives.

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2013_09_26/Russia-wants-to-resolve-issue-concerning-breach-of-S-300-delivery-contract-with-Iran-Ryabkov-0343/

****Not sure when this was reported as the article did not reference but can be found on website today**** it might be old news or indeed no news

Russia has agreed to supply Iran with advanced S-300 anti-aircraft missiles and build an additional nuclear reactor at the Bushehr nuclear site. The Russian Kommersant daily reported on Wednesday, amid increased international pressure against the two countries' mutual ally Syria.

A "source close to the Kremlin" told the Kommersant that the agreements would be discussed during Russian President Vladimir Putin's visit to Teheran on Friday. Putin is set to meet with high-ranking Iranian officials, including President Hassan Rohani.

During a debate Wednesday in the Russian parliament of a draft resolution on Syria, Alexei Pushkov, the Kremlin-connected chief of the foreign affairs committee in the lower house of parliament, told lawmakers that Russia could expand arms sales to Iran and revise the terms of U.S.­ military transit to Afghanistan if Washington launches a strike on Syria.

Pushkov said such action now would be premature as Russia and the U.S. are working to find a diplomatic solution to the crisis, but he warned that if the "party of war" prevails in Washington, Russia should consider those moves.

"If the U.S. takes the path of exacerbating the situation and forgoing diplomacy for the sake of a military scenario, such measures would seem absolutely justified to me," Pushkov said.

He also said that Moscow hopes that the U.S. will back Russia's proposal for Syria to put its chemical weapons under international control for their subsequent dismantling.

Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, said on Wednesday he hoped that a U.S. promise to pursue diplomacy to remove the threat of chemical weapons in Syria was "serious," the Iranian state news agency IRNA reported.

"I am hopeful that the United States new attitude to Syria is serious and not a game with the media. For weeks they have threatened war against the people of this region for the benefit of the Zionists ]Israel]," Khameini said during a public address.

According to the report in Kommersant, Putin reached a decision last weekend to end the ongoing controversy over the sale of S-300 missiles to Iran by finalizing the deal, on condition that Teheran drop a $4 billion lawsuit against Rosoboronexport, the state intermediary that oversees Russian defense imports and exports.

The lawsuit was filed by Iran after Russia canceled a contract for the missiles originally signed in 2007. The report indicated that the contract was canceled in 2010 due to pressure from Israel.

Earlier this year, the possible sale of Russian S-300 missiles to beleaguered Syrian President Bashar Assad caused controversy in the international community as well, and Israel staunchly opposed such a move, fearing that the advanced missiles could fall into the hands of Hezbollah, in Lebanon.

The S-300 system is considered one of the world's most advanced aerial defense systems. Apart for the system's advanced radar, which can identify and track long-range targets, the missile themselves have a range of 200 kilometers.

Because of the system's advanced technology, the time required to make it operational can range between three to six months.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu discussed the issue with European foreign ministers in May. "If the missiles are provided and become operational Israel's entire airspace will become a no-fly zone," Netanyahu told the European foreign ministers. "The missile transfer is a significant security challenge to Israel and we will not be able to stand idly by."

In June, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said that his nation would honor its controversial contract to deliver the S-300 systems to Syria, but that the order has yet to be filled.

"We respect all our contracts and are honoring all our contractual obligations," said Lavrov said in an interview with Russian state TV.

"As yet, the contracts are not finished, they have not been delivered in full," he added.

According to foreign media reports, Israel was responsible for three airstrikes on Syrian territory, each one targeting advanced weapons systems believed to be en route to Hezbollah in southern Lebanon.

In early May, two alleged strikes targeted shipments of Iranian Fateh-100 missile en route to Hezbollah. These missiles are said to be extremely accurate, with a range of up to 300 kilometers.

Reports indicated that Israel also attacked a convoy carrying anti-aircraft missiles in January as well.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.546418

Talking is good.    Hope they reach the agreement. 

Talks underway with Russia on S-300 defense system

crod wrote:"If the missiles are provided and become operational Israel's entire airspace will become a no-fly zone," Netanyahu told the European foreign ministers.

We'll ignore the fact that Syrian S-200s could've been shooting at Israeli aircraft for decades, and haven't. And we'll ignore the fact that Syria would need an S-400 to cover all of Israel's airspace.

Israel is more concerned with Syrian airspace becoming a no-fly zone. This will be a nice quote to have in something I'm working on related to advanced missile proliferation, though.

The issue of supplying Iran with air defense systems S-300 was discussed during the visit of Russian Air Force Commander Lieutenant General Viktor Bondarev to Iran - "DEFENSE News"


Gen. Amir Ali Hajizadeh also handed Bondarev intelligence material that are in the Gulf of foreign armed forces, the official website of the Corps' Guardians of the Islamic Revolution. " 
In the photo: the commander of the Corps Aerospace Forces, "the Revolutionary Guards' (IRGC) Brigadier General Amir Ali Hajizadeh (left) presents a copy of the Iranian UAV" Yaasir "(a copy of the" Scan Eagle "), Russian Air Force Commander Lieutenant General Viktor Bondarev / AFP Photo from site IRGC


http://arms-tass.su/?page=article&aid=122831&cid=25

Rogozin vs Iranian President - I hope talking time is finally over and Su-35/S-300VM can begin pouring in the country 


Rogozin discussed with Iranian President PTS, the source said

You have to admire the patience. Iran pressing on with the S-300 deal after N-deal is reached. 


Iran expects Russia to fulfill the contract for the supply of S-300

Iran expects the RF performance of the contract for the supply of S-300

Persian diplomacy is historically the best in the world.
We should all take lessons.

What are they waiting for, when Russia said they already scrapped the components?

Best they can hope for is a new contract, and to drop their asinine lawsuit.

FINANLLY .... this will settle the problem and Iran will get at the moment the most potent AD system in the world.

With the 20 bin $ per year contact is struck between Russia and Iran where will Iran sell 500 000 barels of oil for Russian goods I hope we might see a follow on contract for perhaps

planes etc




Iran Planning to Send Team to Russia to Choose Replacement for S-300 Missile System Delivery

“I accompanied the chairman of the parliament’s National Security and Foreign Policy Commission (Alaeddin Boroujerdi) in a meeting with the Iranian ambassador to Russia and discussed the substitute system for the S-300,” Chairman of the parliament’s Defense Committee Esmayeel Kosari told FNA today.

Kosari underlined that when the time is ripe for the endorsement of a contract to buy a substitute for the S-300 defense shield from Russia, the Iranian parliament will also send its representatives to the talks to become informed of the process.

The Antei-2500, however, may be a better solution. The system does not formally fall under the existing sanctions against Iran while still being useful for the Middle-Eastern country.

This is not happening ....   

Iran not interested in supplies of Antey-2500 instead of S-300 from Russia - FM Zarif

Viktor wrote:This is not happening ....   

Iran not interested in supplies of Antey-2500 instead of S-300 from Russia - FM Zarif

hey have not much choices now. Either Russia will sell them a PMU model (Wouldnt matter if they get it since Greece and Slovakia have them and its in NATO hands) or look elsewhere.

I bet Iran is nitpicking trying to get what they want, even if its inferior.

Anyway, hope negotiatioms are fruitful. They can try to sue but they may not get very far with that.

Nah, it's just the retarded mullahs not wanting to loose face, after all these pathetic fiberglass "achievements" they keep showing and boasting about and posing themselves as an industrially and militarily advanced power... roflmao.

And rightly so.

Single-handily gave a lesson to the Jews back in 2006,
won Iraq after US withdrawal and
retained Syria against all NATO.
It is due to Iran's efforts that Russia gained more face than she gained the last 22 years by herself and
it is Iran's no-dollar oil trade that opened the road to China to follow the same path with their own trade.
Finally they are the biggest India's suppliers of oil.

So all the rest should give them b@@jobs.

Viktor wrote:This is not happening ....   

Iran not interested in supplies of Antey-2500 instead of S-300 from Russia - FM Zarif

Ha, as if he even knows the difference.


Russia should put it bluntly. Accept what we are selling, or you won't get shit.
Continue the lawsuit, and there will be serious economic and political consequences.

Good on them (Iran) for standing up for themselves. They know they're in the right and there's no need to take the first offer.

Russia should put it bluntly. Accept what we are selling, or you won't get shit.
Continue the lawsuit, and there will be serious economic and political consequences.

Yeah, I'm sure they'll wet themselves and crumble immediately. For Russia it would be like cutting off your nose to spite your face to justify a stupid decision in a time when Russia was eager to appease Israel....hopefully that's in the past.

Thankfully, going by the latest news (oil for goods swap) the Russian government is a bit more forward looking....if Iran were to join the anti-Russian camp, it would be a MAJOR geopolitical setback for Russia.

What Israel appeasement?

American appeasement at best.

The fact is, Russia doesn't have to sell S-300 to anyone. Iran isn't entitled to it. Russia can cancel any deal it wants. This BS 4 billion dollar lawsuit is a freaking joke, and Iran should have been told bluntly so.

Russia is one of the few "defenders" from Iran totally getting bent over by the UN, and it gets repaid by this nonsense?

TR1 wrote:What Israel appeasement?

American appeasement at best.

The fact is, Russia doesn't have to sell S-300 to anyone. Iran isn't entitled to it. Russia can cancel any deal it wants. This BS 4 billion dollar lawsuit is a freaking joke, and Iran should have been told bluntly so.

Russia is one of the few "defenders" from Iran totally getting bent over by the UN, and it gets repaid by this nonsense?

And why Russia should not want to sell S-300 to Iran. Do you have any ideas? because I have only one which I will say after you if you don't mind.

Hannibal Barca wrote:

TR1 wrote:What Israel appeasement?

American appeasement at best.

The fact is, Russia doesn't have to sell S-300 to anyone. Iran isn't entitled to it. Russia can cancel any deal it wants. This BS 4 billion dollar lawsuit is a freaking joke, and Iran should have been told bluntly so.

Russia is one of the few "defenders" from Iran totally getting bent over by the UN, and it gets repaid by this nonsense?

And why Russia should not want to sell S-300 to Iran. Do you have any ideas? because I have only one which I will say after you if you don't mind.

My guess is that it would be stricken by Israel within first few days of it arriving to the country, and the world will blame Russia for so called "crappy russian product" and thus hurting Russia's manufacturing and development image again.

S-300 is going out of production... the model they bought no longer is available. The remaining models available are in use by Greece and Cyprus which may have compromised their performance, or is a current upgrade for Russian S-300 batteries which the Russians might not want to sell.

TR1 wrote:What Israel appeasement?

American appeasement at best.

The fact is, Russia doesn't have to sell S-300 to anyone. Iran isn't entitled to it. Russia can cancel any deal it wants. This BS 4 billion dollar lawsuit is a freaking joke, and Iran should have been told bluntly so.

Russia is one of the few "defenders" from Iran totally getting bent over by the UN, and it gets repaid by this nonsense?

Well if Iran was attacked and carved up that means Gazprom could probably lose hundreds of billions of dollars worth of future oil contracts, in Libya after Gaddafi was toppled the new govt. tore up all the Chinese oil company contracts, plus keep in mind that it sends a bad message that "Russia doesn't stand by it's word, that Russia is a paper-tiger that can be bullied and doesn't follow threw on contractional obligations." It also means that NATO can justify having a larger presence in Russia's background, essentially flipping a large middle finger to Moscow. Iran is also an ally of Syria, if Iran goes than Syria goes, the Tartus Naval base will probably be shut down and Russia would be effectively kicked out of the Middle East.

TR1 wrote:What Israel appeasement?

American appeasement at best.

It's was all about Israel as current events prove....Israel is the one throwing a hissy fit over US policy about turn on Iran.

The fact is, Russia doesn't have to sell S-300 to anyone. Iran isn't entitled to it. Russia can cancel any deal it wants. This BS 4 billion dollar lawsuit is a freaking joke, and Iran should have been told bluntly so.

Then they shouldn't sign deals they don't think they can honour. The excuse that sanctions were broken doesn't hold water.

Russia is one of the few "defenders" from Iran totally getting bent over by the UN, and it gets repaid by this nonsense?

It's in Russia's interest to do so also

sepheronx wrote:My guess is that it would be stricken by Israel within first few days of it arriving to the country

Yeah right. So when is this mythical Israeli strike going to happen. They've been threatening for decades now..

I don't care if Russia's reasons are because Mevedev was lovers with Netanyahu, or if it was more reasonable self interest protection.
It is irrelevant to what I am saying.

When two nations make a deal, there are contract guidelines. A nation can cancel a deal if it so chooses. There is no god-enforced rule that you can't cancel a contact you signed. If Russia wants to cancel the T-50 contract tomorrow with India, because Putin suddenly became a follower of NickM and hates Indians, it can do so. It is well within its right to do so.
If there are payments, already made, you send them back, like Russia did. If there are cancellation penalties, you deal with them.

You don't launch a 4 billion (fucking LOL at the amount) lawsuit against a nation you desperately want to keep friendly to you.

None of you guys have actual proof of the background to why the deal was originally cancelled, so you can keep saying "Israel Israel etc etc" and it means nothing.
If you actually think it only happened because Medvedev was in power, and Putin was not aware of the negotiations and deals regarding Iran (and if it was done against his wishes), then all I can say is LOL x1000.

And yes, I hope Iran shuts up about the S-300 and quietly accepts the Antei-2500, since it is better anyways.

If this is true... I am sure the Iranians will quietly take the ANTEY 2500s and maybe in agreement with russia stick a "made in iran" label on them, or do some basic final assembly work in Iran with an Iranian name for the sake of "keeping up appearances" about self sufficiency...

Anyway, nowadays there's little chance of Israel even attempting an attack on Iran. But what is a threat to them is the GCC air forces...

I wonder with the "western" strategic defence shields going up in the gulf region (e.g. the new radar in qatar) as well as THAAD / Patriots etc... being liberally thrown around...

Could Russia create a "parallel" early warning / missile shield in collaboration with Iran / Syria (and maybe that country between them)? to cover potential attacks by wahabi degenerates taking over the saud's missile systems in a future scenario?

sepheronx wrote:

Hannibal Barca wrote:

TR1 wrote:What Israel appeasement?

American appeasement at best.

The fact is, Russia doesn't have to sell S-300 to anyone. Iran isn't entitled to it. Russia can cancel any deal it wants. This BS 4 billion dollar lawsuit is a freaking joke, and Iran should have been told bluntly so.

Russia is one of the few "defenders" from Iran totally getting bent over by the UN, and it gets repaid by this nonsense?

And why Russia should not want to sell S-300 to Iran. Do you have any ideas? because I have only one which I will say after you if you don't mind.

My guess is that it would be stricken by Israel within first few days of it arriving to the country, and the world will blame Russia for so called "crappy russian product" and thus hurting Russia's manufacturing and development image again.

Of course this will never happen cause Iran can get the better against Israel EASILY!
Having said this I think that in the purely hypothetical case that Israel would dare to ATTACK Russia's interests, ability to protect her military customers and seriously undermine Russia's military exports a strong counterstrike should contacted from Russia against Israel with the clear message that provoker behavior cannot be tolerated.