Russia-Iran S-300 missile systems deal

GarryB wrote:Russia and Iran have signed a few economic deals recently and have clearly become closer partners.

The Potential for sales of sophisticated aircraft is interesting... I would suspect... based on the little I know about Iran... that any Flanker deal might involve local production of perhaps airframes and some parts.

I doubt it, i just don't see how a few economic deals are going to resolve the sour relation with Iran with respects to what happened too there S-300 contract, much less locally produced airframes.   

Maybe if Russia sent a few Antey-2500s as gifts, and then demonstrate them on the Israelis who will attempt too destroy them     

Perhaps Sukhoi and Iran might get together and develop a new Flanker that perhaps is a mix of the fighter and the strike aircraft (Su-35/Su-34) but also adds interceptor performance (MiG-31) to the mix...

Wouldn't it be more beneficial, if Sukhoi helped Iran with joint development of there (Iran) Stealth fighter??  

I doubt it, i just don't see how a few economic deals are going to resolve the sour relation with Iran with respects to what happened too there S-300 contract, much less locally produced airframes.

Iran has to replace its current aircraft... their F-14s and F-4s and F-5s wont last forever.

I don't know much about their "stealth" programs, but would suggest a decent large fighter that is not too expensive to operate and maintain with good reliable engines and decent air to air and air to ground weapons would be exactly what they need.

Even an Su-27SM would offer fairly decent performance and with RVV-SD, RVV-MD, and RVV-BD missiles and a wide range of air to ground missiles and bombs they would be very potent in air to air and also air to ground use... without costing too much... with plenty of potential for local production... they could make 300 with 150 for Iran and perhaps 100 for Iraq and 50 for Syria... and the production facilities could be used in the region as a maintainence centre for overhauls and upgrades etc.

Maybe if Russia sent a few Antey-2500s as gifts,

Irans in service old 1970s US equipment needs replacing, and its old Soviet stuff could use an upgrade or two too.

Wouldn't it be more beneficial, if Sukhoi helped Iran with joint development of there (Iran) Stealth fighter??

Stealth aircraft are expensive and need fractions of a mm accuracy in both design and construction otherwise the effect is ruined.

Large numbers of good aircraft would be more used than a very few very good aircraft.

150 Su-27SM plus in time perhaps 200 MiG-29M2 to be upgraded as they get cheaper with MiG-35 components would be an excellent replacement for the F-14s, F-4s, F-5s, and MiG-29s currently in service. The Su-32 export model Su-34 would be ideal to replace the Su-24s in service too.

A most interesting tidbit here: apparently the  Kirov factory just finished 22 chassis for the S-300VM, to be delivered to Almaz-Antey which in turn should deliver these S-300VMs to an unnamed export customer. The chassis are in DESERT cammo. It appears the contract was signed in december 2013.

So the question is, for WHO are they? Is it really Iran after all? Or maybe Egypt? Or perhaps even  Iraq? What do you think?

http://www.fontanka.ru/2014/09/11/148/

Hopefully

Iran Prods Russia To Send In S-300 Surface-To-Air Missile Despite US Sanctions

Hopefully this time

Chemezov: Russia offered to Iran's air defense system Antey-2500 instead of the S-300

I would wager that the S-300VM to be better than PMU-2 as it was more designed to deal against ballistic missiles and can still deal with aircrafts. If I was Iran, I would take that deal. But then again, I dont know why if they can offer the 300V, why then not PMU2?

sepheronx wrote:I would wager that the S-300VM to be better than PMU-2 as it was more designed to deal against ballistic missiles and can still deal with aircrafts. If I was Iran, I would take that deal. But then again, I dont know why if they can offer the 300V, why then not PMU2?

I dont know and doubt many know the real truth besides headlines but Russia now does not produce S-300P versions for export so the only thing besides S-400 which will be available in

few years time, is powerful S-300VM which is hell on wheels. Iran should accept the offer and Russia should sweeten the deal for inconvenience.

State Department: US does not want Iran to get Antey-2500 instead of S-300

mack8 wrote:A most interesting tidbit here: apparently the  Kirov factory just finished 22 chassis for the S-300VM, to be delivered to Almaz-Antey which in turn should deliver these S-300VMs to an unnamed export customer. The chassis are in DESERT cammo. It appears the contract was signed in december 2013.

So the question is, for WHO are they? Is it really Iran after all? Or maybe Egypt? Or perhaps even  Iraq? What do you think?

http://www.fontanka.ru/2014/09/11/148/

For Egypt (of course i'm biased ) .

Egypt most likely as they signed this deal in december 2013

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/russia-egypt-ink-2-billion-weapons-deal/

State Department: US does not want Iran to get Antey-2500 instead of S-300

And if the US was a friend or an ally the Russians might take their views into consideration, but with all that reset button BS behind us it is pretty clear that the US sees Russia as an enemy.

they have stated several time that Russia is more of a global threat than ISIS... of course by global threat they actually mean threat to US military, political, and economic interests... but in any case the US state department not wanting them to sell SAMs to IRAN sounds to be to be a very good reason for Russia to sell SAMs to Iran.

If the Russia has no sphere of influence then the US should not either.

The only sad thing regarding this is that when the US or Israel tries to attack Iran it will be normal american soldiers that get killed rather than the dickheads in the whitehouse and washington that sent them.

The US doesn't want Russian SAMs in Iran, but they can outrightly send weapons to the Ukr junta.

Kyo wrote:The US doesn't want Russian SAMs in Iran, but they can outrightly send weapons to the Ukr junta.

An unlike the weapons the U.S. State Dept. sells to Kiev, the Antey-2500 complexes will be completely defensive in nature.

The US can provide as many weapons to the Ukrainians as they want. It'll be their money afterall; the Ukraine doesn't have any of its own to pay with, just its land, property, assets, businesses I guess.

In terms of the situation on the ground, US weapons won't affect it one bit. What happened to those 3 counter-mortar Radars again? One wasn't used, the other was damaged by rebel artillery, and the other one was captured by the rebels.
Quite likely that whatever the Americans or anyone else sends - they will be captured by the rebels too. If it's really high-tech, it will be examined in Moscow. So for that reason I doubt the Ukrainians will get anything too sophisticated in the first place. Not that getting shiny gear and weapons should be anywhere among the top of their worries.

So with this whole circus, Russia has a good excuse to earn some money by exporting to the US's 'rogue states'.
The biggest thing I'm concerned with, is not how this will be taken by the US, but how it will be taken by its allies in those regions; some of which Russia has been building quite close relations with over the years; South Korea, Israel, Japan, etc...

Since the US is even against S-300 or Antey why not offer S-400 to Iran.

iraqidabab wrote:Since the US is even against S-300 or Antey why not offer S-400 to Iran.

Because in that case they would have to wait for a few or even several years since the export S-400 version will be available in year or two plus you have a waiting list.

iraqidabab wrote:Since the US is even against S-300 or Antey why not offer S-400 to Iran.

It may end up like that sometime down the line.

Right now, there's not any additional build capacity as Russia's own S-400 orders are filling the factory floors. Iran will just have to wait for the export model and get in line like everyone else.

Russia Ready to Sell S-300 Missiles to Iran if Sanctions Fall

Russia may resume a deal to deliver S-300 surface-to-air defense systems to Iran if only the UN decides to lift its ban on arms sales to Tehran, a leading Russian defense expert said on Friday.

Negotiators from Iran, the United States and other world powers agreed on Thursday to a framework for a final agreement to curb Tehran’s nuclear program.

Iran agreed in principle to accept significant restrictions on its nuclear facilities for at least a decade and submit to international inspections.

In return, economic sanctions unilaterally imposed on the Islamic Republic by the US and EU will be lifted.

Russia’s Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov then said that a UN arms embargo against Iran should also go.

"Lifting sanctions on Iran, including the arms embargo, would be an absolutely logical thing to do,” said Igor Korotchenko, who heads the Global Arms Trade Analysis Center think tank in Moscow.

“Of key importance to us is the delivery of the upgraded S-300 missiles to Iran… A contract to this effect could be resumed on terms acceptable to both Moscow and Tehran,” he added.

In 2007, Russia contracted to sell to Iran $800 million worth of S-300 missile units. Moscow suspended the contract in 2010 following a UN Security Council resolution to stop the sale of arms to Iran due to its controversial nuclear energy program.

Iran then sued Russia's state arms exporter Rosoboronexport at the OSCE Court of Conciliation and Arbitration in Geneva, with Moscow eventually offering Tehran a settlement and a promise to deliver the Antei-2500 missile systems at a later date, which was not specified.

Tehran refused, insisting on the implementation of the original deal.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150403/1020417724.html#ixzz3WFzm3bU4

Putin lifts ban on S-300 sales to Iran


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And the load of other articles ....

S-300 systems do not threaten Israel, other regional countries — Lavrov

"S-300 is an air defense missile system, which is of a purely defensive nature. It is not designed for attacks and will not put at risk the security of any regional state, including Israel," Lavrov said.

Now this is interesting - meaning S-300 will be exported no matter what

Russia’s voluntary embargo on S-300 deliveries to Iran no longer needed — Lavrov

MOSCOW, April 13. /TASS/. Russia’s voluntary embargo on deliveries of S-300 missile systems to Iran is no longer needed, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said Monday.

Making load of other military contracts possible

Komoedov: lifting the ban on the supply of S-300 to Iran in a timely manner

"Such a decision timely," - said Komoedov reporters.
In his opinion, such a move opens the way for other areas of cooperation in military-technical cooperation between the two countries. For example, in the field of aviation complex, as Russia could supply ships, said the deputy.

Until we see some concrete proof, like S-300 (or other systems) in Iran, i'll retain skepticism, if only because stories of imminent S-300 deliveries to Iran have been going for years.

If this will actually be a turning point, then all the better of course. If only deliveries and upgrades for the gear mentioned here...

http://www.uskowioniran.com/2015/01/possible-dimensions-of-russo-iranian.html

...would actually be implemented, that would be a huge step forward - although there are some mullah puppets in Iran who spew out pathetic propaganda of how Iran is so superior in missiles and so on, better than Russia and China, blah blah. They are mental, there is unfortunately no concrete  proof that most of their "achievements" are just pitiful props and mock-ups (see various drones, that Qaher thing, the F-5 with 2 tails passed as "iranian" etc.), let alone any real systems being of decent quality and delivered in decent quantities,  but then one can't really reason with mullah ultra-nationalistic religious vegetables.


Anyway, IF this is indeed a turning point in both military and economic relations between Russia and Iran, then  the same courtesy should be given to  Syria. Hell knows how badly they need those MiGs and Yaks and new helos and tons of other gear, not to mention the S-300s, to fight against the US/KSA/GCC backed jihadist scumbags.

Russia’s S-300 missile systems’ supplies to Iran may begin any moment — Putin’s spokesman

MOSCOW, April 13. /TASS/. Supplies of Russian S-300 air defense missile systems to Iran may begin any moment in line with the relevant decree signed by the Russian president earlier in the day, presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov said on Monday.

"The decree stipulates… no delays," Peskov told journalists adding that the second provision of the decree states that "it comes into force on the day it was signed."

Lavrov I think made it a point to mention that the S-300s would be delivered via aircraft and ships carrying the Russian flag.

So much for the Israeli interceptions that some mp.net fanboys fantasized about. Not that they would have really been possible anyway, given that Iran and Russia are practically neighbours.

flamming_python wrote:Lavrov I think made it a point to mention that the S-300s would be delivered via aircraft and ships carrying the Russian flag.

So much for the Israeli interceptions that some mp.net fanboys fantasized about. Not that they would have really been possible anyway, given that Iran and Russia are practically neighbours.

well, effectively transport via ship would be easy through the Caspian sea. Quite a ways away for Israel to do anything.

sepheronx wrote:

flamming_python wrote:Lavrov I think made it a point to mention that the S-300s would be delivered via aircraft and ships carrying the Russian flag.

So much for the Israeli interceptions that some mp.net fanboys fantasized about. Not that they would have really been possible anyway, given that Iran and Russia are practically neighbours.

well, effectively transport via ship would be easy through the Caspian sea.  Quite a ways away for Israel to do anything.

Even so best give the Buyan-m something to do, those Ghibka 3M-47s are feeling lonely.