This was not even in the USSR: a new supershipyard will appear in St. Petersburg
The President of the Russian Federation instructed the Rosatom corporation to work out the issue of creating a new shipyard in St. Petersburg. In terms of scale, it should not be inferior to the Zvezda shipbuilding complex. This means that enormous efforts and resources will be invested in its construction.
Why did Russia need another supershipyard? What are the costs of its construction? And when a new shipyard appears in Russia, which is not inferior to the best world analogues or surpasses them, we will tell further.
In the new realities, the construction of a supershipyard has become an urgent need. The fact is that the only shipbuilding complex Zvezda is loaded with orders until 2029. The shipyard builds gas carriers for Novatek, tankers for Rosneft, and nuclear icebreakers for Rosatom.
The new supershipyard is also necessary for the creation of large-capacity vessels. Russia intends to increase the volume of traffic along the Northern Sea Route. To do this, the country needs new icebreakers, tankers, gas carriers and container ships.
“The experts we engaged, and our specialists, our partners, come to the conclusion that a new shipyard for large-tonnage shipbuilding is necessary, including due to the historical limitations of the Baltic Shipyard,” said Alexei Likhachev, head of the Rosatom state corporation.
Currently, half of Russian oil is transported by ships registered in Greece. In case of refusal to transport Russian oil by Western logistics companies, it is necessary to quickly increase the volume of our own merchant fleet. Transport problems may also arise for non-commodity exporters.
According to the governor of St. Petersburg Alexander Beglov, the new shipyard will allow the construction of ships up to 320 meters long and with a displacement of up to 40,000 tons.
It is planned to build gas carriers, oil tankers, offshore platforms at the shipyard.
According to preliminary calculations by the Minister of Industry and Trade of Russia, the cost of building a supershipyard is estimated at 200 billion rubles. The same amount was spent on the construction of the Zvezda shipyard in Primorsky Krai.
The shipyard project in St. Petersburg has already been developed. The project is planned to be built within 3 years. It will be the second shipyard of this class in Russia after the Zvezda shipbuilding complex.
We have previously said that in the development of industry and technology, the Russian state will rely on state corporations, and not on ministries and officials. Since the former represent an alternative to the executive power of a through tool, where orders, bypassing all the high offices of officials, immediately get to the direct executors.
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According to article max size of the ship will be, for tankers, in VLCC category which has a deadweight of approx 300+ thousand tons. Displacement is then calculated as deadweight+lightweight. Most likely max displacement number is 400000 tons or order of magnitude larger than what article claims.
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This is interesting too... they got the South Koreans to design and build the Zvezda shipyards in the far east, because they know a thing or three about efficient shipyards, so essentially this is a bit like Russia getting Germany to make digital army training centres for each of its military districts large enough to allow entire divisions to train together in simulators in a giant LAN game with vehicles and systems included... they can train all day and all night and simulate any weather conditions and any location and not burn a litre of fuel and not need to fire a real round of ammo (they can do that on their many exercises. More importantly everything they do or don't do is recorded and can be looked at later to find problems or mistakes to deal with training issues.
The important factor was that the Germans started making them for the Russians but then sanctions meant they stopped so the ones that were started were completed by Russian companies... and new systems developed and built for the other military districts, presumably using more and more Russian content than the Germans would likely be interested in using.
This could be an example of the same thing happening with the Shipyards, in this case a massive new shipyard to compliment the Zvezda yard to increase production of big ships... which is going to be important soon with tankers and cargo ships as well as destroyers and cruisers that will need to be built, but it also would suggest that the design and methods of construction brought in with the South Korean shipyard could also be applied to other shipyards too and they can improve their production performance and efficiency.
I would also expect the new focus on the navy and the rest of the world and the ships Russia would need to reach the rest of the world without going through western third parties like they have been who are now just too unreliable means shipbuilding in Russia will be getting a lot of new attention and money and existing shipyards will be very busy and new shipyards might come in to being as well as existing ones extended and upgraded.
They have what the South Koreans did to the Zvezda shipyards as a template they can use across the country.
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caveat emptor wrote:Something is wrong with that displacement number. It is too low for the size of ships they talk about. I hate when journalist write about subjects they don't understand.
According to article max size of the ship will be, for tankers, in VLCC category which has a deadweight of approx 300+ thousand tons. Displacement is then calculated as deadweight+lightweight. Most likely max displacement number is 400000 tons or order of magnitude larger than what article claims.
They have missed "0", it is as you said. 400kT.
There is one thing I can't understand. Localization.
Peter is kind of "landlocked".
It already contains a big part of the Russian shipbuilding already, with 3 big shipyards and bulk of construction bureaus.
They are amassing a huge marine claster there, including all the facilities located at Ust-Luga.
This kind of concentration has both pros and cons.
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I agree. With these things, as you know, politics play significant role and USC is based in Peter. One good thing, i can think of, is that it will be easier recruit workforce in Peter than some other potential location.ALAMO wrote:
They have missed "0", it is as you said. 400kT.
There is one thing I can't understand. Localization.
Peter is kind of "landlocked".
It already contains a big part of the Russian shipbuilding already, with 3 big shipyards and bulk of construction bureaus.
They are amassing a huge marine claster there, including all the facilities located at Ust-Luga.
This kind of concentration has both pros and cons.
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But again, it is kind of reversing the goal of exploiting different parts of the Russian Federation.
Another giant investment, that will bring 10+k working places, and hundreds of cooperative businesses.
Just cries to be located in some underdeveloped area, to give it a boost.
Maybe it is not so crucial for them, as there is still a water lane from Piter to the White Sea, but this route is limited to max 135x14.5 m ship size with 3.5m drought.
Weird idea, honestly.
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Nothing serious can go on that waterway. Only river-sea class barges.ALAMO wrote:
Maybe it is not so crucial for them, as there is still a water lane from Piter to the White Sea, but this route is limited to max 135x14.5 m ship size with 3.5m drought.
Weird idea, honestly.
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ALAMO wrote:Yup.
But again, it is kind of reversing the goal of exploiting different parts of the Russian Federation.
Another giant investment, that will bring 10+k working places, and hundreds of cooperative businesses.
Just cries to be located in some underdeveloped area, to give it a boost.
Maybe it is not so crucial for them, as there is still a water lane from Piter to the White Sea, but this route is limited to max 135x14.5 m ship size with 3.5m drought.
Weird idea, honestly.
Had an enlargement of this waterway ever been proposed?
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I'm not sure. But, to pass through the channel ships of tonnage they will build there you'll need, at least, 15 meter draft. I'm not sure how financially feasible is that. Basically, they'll need to build a Panama canal type waterway.Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
Had an enlargement of this waterway ever been proposed?
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caveat emptor wrote:
Nothing serious can go on that waterway. Only river-sea class barges.
Not as bad as that.
All new missile carriers of sea/river class can use them.
That is the real meaning of "mosquito fleet"
caveat emptor wrote:I'm not sure. But, to pass through the channel ships of tonnage they will build there you'll need, at least, 15 meter draft. I'm not sure how financially feasible is that. Basically, they'll need to build a Panama canal type waterway.Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
Had an enlargement of this waterway ever been proposed?
That would be hell of a job. They have about 20 locks there, as the height difference reaches 100m.
Actually I suppose it would be less expensive to build a city on the White Sea to assist the new shipyard mega cluster than enlarging this canal
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In my opinion, building a new shipyard at Kotlin island is not a wise decision. Instead of spending all this money on building a shipyard from scratch, they should spend it on upgrading the existing shipyards they have, specially Zvezda and Baltic, in order to increase their capacity. These shipyards can build any kind and size of ships.
It is often easier to build new from scratch rather than take an existing shipyard and build that into a modern one.
Of course most places suitable for shipyards are already being used as shipyards, but sometimes old shipyards are not laid out in a suitable way that allows them to be upgraded easily and redesigned as a new modern shipyard.
It is like houses... if the house is old and you don't need to retain its look sometimes it is cheaper to bring the old house down and replace it with a brand new one with modern insulation and wiring and pipes and design with regards to windows and materials.
Of course older shipyards also need upgrades too...
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White Sea is frozen for 6 months of the year. Barents Sea around Murmansk would be ideal, as it is ice free and area could certainly welcome new investment. Also Novatek built new LNG construction yard there.ALAMO wrote:
That would be hell of a job. They have about 20 locks there, as the height difference reaches 100m.
Actually I suppose it would be less expensive to build a city on the White Sea to assist the new shipyard mega cluster than enlarging this canal
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I would agree that St Petersburg is a bit too far up one end of a HATO lake... like the Black Sea is to be a great place to build large military ships... I would think very large shipyards in Murmansk and the far east would be best.
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Much more cost-effective, you can have a 100 small ships at a cost of rebuilding a canal.
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The launch of the icebreaker "Yakutia" took place today in St. Petersburg.
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hole wrote:Even in the 70´s and 80´s floating docks (dry docks are on land) were bought in other countries, like Japan or Sweden.
i have to disagree with you and the other person that reckons russia dont know how to build anything, little would you know that the dutch and other European countries have gotten the Russians, to build cascos (structures-hulls-whole vessels) in Russia as it was cheaper and all they did was fit them out in the Netherlands and slap a made in Holland on them when all they were is fitted out.
Tony.
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As far as I remember reading, that Swedish shipyard was really in need of work so the Soviet got a good price for the PD-50, and probably it was the same with Japan for the PD-41 floating drydock.
It is probably the same reason why Russia imports the large shipyard cranes.
Anyway that particular Swedish (which used to be one of the world largest) shipyard bankrupted at the end of the 80's and after more than 20 years of agony was finally closed forever in 2015 (it reminds me a bit the sad fate or the Ukrainian shipyards).
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Of course there are likely Russian companies that could do the job too, but it comes down to how many you need and when... if you only need four then a foreign company already making them could probably do a better price and get them to you in a shorter time frame than a Russian maker that has never made any of that size or scale before.
It also depends on your future plans as well of course... if you need four then buying from a foreign company that makes such cranes makes sense, but if you are expanding 20 shipyards across Russia and each shipyard will require 5 cranes, then you are looking at needing quite a large number of cranes over a relatively short period of time that no one supplier could cope with so getting them from different sources might be necessary anyway, but if the shipyard upgrades are going to be planned out over the next 15 years then perhaps a local supplier could take the contract and do the job.
The point is that if you only want two cranes and you want them fast then Chinese cranes or the cranes the South Koreans use is probably the best bet in terms of speed and in terms of price.
If you are going to need lots and lots of cranes over the next few decades as you expand several shipyards to handle modular ship and sub production where super heavy cranes makes things faster and easier, and you plan to expand you civil and military shipping fleet with much bigger ships then getting a Russian company involved in building the new cranes as long as they can be done on time to spec. Costing a little more is not a problem because it is money spent inside the Russian economy, and creates potential for export orders in the future, which is also good for the economy.
It is clear that buying anything from western countries that impose sanctions on Russia is no longer acceptable, but there are exceptions... Turkey for example, and such countries should be rewarded with contracts for products that domestic producers don't have the capacity for.
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On December 9, a solemn ceremony of launching the first serial (second in a row) crab vessel "Captain Egorov" of the CCa 5712LS project took place at the Onega Shipbuilding and Ship Repair Plant. The construction customer is the Russian Crab Group, the Krabolov project was developed by Damen Engineering designers
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Video starts at 1:26
Concerning other news we haven't heard yet, the video also goes into the handover of 4 new vessels of the Valdai-45 passenger hydrofoil series to customers (4:24), the continuation of Project 3330 aquabasin measurement vessel production (5:16), the construction of the head ship of the TSK.550 oceanography research class (7:25), and the construction of the first vessel of the new HSC150B catamaran class for the transportation of passengers along inland waters and lakes (7:46)
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Boost to Russian marine reactor manufacturing
23 December 2022
The Baltic Shipyard, which builds Russia's nuclear powered icebreakers, is investing in a 50% increase of its capacity to build the vessels as well as floating nuclear power plants.
The head of the shipyard, Alexey Rakhmanov, announced the move in a Maritime Board meeting chaired by Denis Manturov, Russia's Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Industry and Trade.
"I signed an order to create a full-fledged second shift to work at the Baltic Shipyard, with an investment of about RUB6 billion (USD 84.7 million) in equipment and infrastructure," said Rakhmanov, noting this supports Russia's 'Maritime Doctrine'.
This policy set includes as a priority the development of the Northern Sea Route, by which cargo vessels can travel through Arctic waters from northern Europe to east Asia. Traffic on the route has increased by a factor of ten since 2012 and facilitating year-round passage is the prime mission of Russia's nuclear icebreaker fleet.
Rakhmanov said: "We will be able to increase the production capacity of the Baltic Shipyard by 50%."
As well as icebreakers, the capacity will also be used to build barges for floating nuclear power plants to power the development of Arctic ports. One example is the Cape Nagloynyn development at which four floating plants with two small reactors each will power a new port as well as the Baimskaya copper and gold mine. Short deadlines and a lack of a capacity at Russian shipyards mean those barges are being built in China.
The Chukotka icebreaker is currently under construction at the Baltic Shipyard while the fleet operator Atomflot, which is a subsidiary of Rosatom, is expected to order two more.
https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Boost-to-Russian-marine-reactor-manufacturing
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