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Project 885: Yasen class

GarryB

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Re: Project 885: Yasen class

GarryB Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:13 pm

The usual denial of reality... they can't afford to make Stealth fighters, and when they show prototypes they can't afford to make more than just prototypes and then they serially produce a couple and then they can't afford to put it into serial production and then when they do... etc etc etc...

They never get to the point where they admit they were wrong all along and under estimated the Russians... because they aren't wrong.

Having more ordered means more orders for parts and systems from subcontractors... they can also order anything extra they might want to sort out any issues they might have and speed up getting current vessels being made into the water and ready for use.

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Re: Project 885: Yasen class

SeigSoloyvov Mon Jul 01, 2019 4:10 am

ult wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

ult wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:The original plan called for ten so far 7 have been laid down.

There is talk of two more, I don't think the class will be going past nine.

It's not talks. It is a signed contract for two more.

Yes, they were but until ships are laid its talk.

Sometimes companies drop out of contracts and default it happens.

That's like in another thread people doubting that 76 Su-57's are going to be built, even after the contract was signed. It's retarded to call it just talks. With this attitude you might as well wait until they are delivered to MoD and call them imaginary till then.

I said Laid down not delivered.

The Mod Has defaulted before, me simply saying just because they signed a piece of paper doesn't mean much until they lay it down isn't BS.

It's based on fact and how things sometimes go.

Don't like it? not my problem.

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ult Mon Jul 01, 2019 4:56 am

Cite all the times it happened in the last 20 years. Until then you are being obtuse on purpose.

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hoom Mon Jul 01, 2019 5:39 am

Uhh, most of the original 22350, 20380, 20385 & Lada orders, 2nd half of 11356.
Even being laid down isn't guarantee of completion, there is no shortage of incomplete post-soviet hulls kicking around Russian shipyards.

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miketheterrible Mon Jul 01, 2019 5:45 am

hoom wrote:Uhh, most of the original 22350, 20380, 20385 & Lada orders, 2nd half of 11356.
Even being laid down isn't guarantee of completion, there is no shortage of incomplete post-soviet hulls kicking around Russian shipyards.

Not to be a dick about it but no.

Those orders never happened. What orders did happen were ones that were paid for.

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ult Mon Jul 01, 2019 5:49 am

hoom wrote:Uhh, most of the original 22350, 20380, 20385 & Lada orders, 2nd half of 11356.
Even being laid down isn't guarantee of completion, there is no shortage of incomplete post-soviet hulls kicking around Russian shipyards.

Yeah, and they are completing every signed order, including Ladas laid down 15 years ago, and even found a buyer for 11356. Plans change, but the signed contracts are being carried on, even if it takes more time and money, unless they can find a profitable solution like in case with India.

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Isos Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:06 am

hoom wrote:Uhh, most of the original 22350, 20380, 20385 & Lada orders, 2nd half of 11356.
Even being laid down isn't guarantee of completion, there is no shortage of incomplete post-soviet hulls kicking around Russian shipyards.

That's post soviet era. That's unfair because their economy was destroyed and lot of work was done outside of Russia. New russian orders are completed and they are more carefull when ordering.

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hoom Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:34 am

No, these are all classes from the last 20 years which had contracts cut short. (Lada started earlier but had a major redesign more recently)

22350 had an initial contract for 6* & then a 2nd contract for 4 more, got later cut to 3 and only more recently increased again.

Not sure how many 20380 were originally contracted but it got reduced & only later had a few more added.

20385 had a contract for 9 ships later reduced to 2.

There were at least 3 Lada contracted & 2 started were suspended, entire contract was on verge of cancellation.

11356 had an order for 6, at least 2 of the last 3 got sold to India & unclear if there will actually be more completed for Russia.

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George1 Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:37 am

pls stay on topic

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PapaDragon Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:11 am

Yasen and Borei are not some missile boats or diesel submarines

They are nuclear submarines, strategic assets

There wasn't a single case in post Soviet era where nuclear submarine was cancelled

Even boats from classes that have been discontinued have been completed as spy subs (Podmoskovye) or different nuclear vessel class (Dolgoruki) and this was when they had less cash and statehood than Somalia

You can't can't compare boomers with missile boats that weight less than sonar on SSGN

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Rodion_Romanovic Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:23 am

PapaDragon wrote:
Yasen and Borei are not some missile boats or diesel submarines

They are nuclear submarines, strategic assets

There wasn't a single case in post Soviet era where nuclear submarine was cancelled

Even boats from classes that have been discontinued have been completed as spy subs (Podmoskovye) or different nuclear vessel class (Dolgoruki) and this was when they had less cash and statehood than Somalia

You can't can't compare boomers with missile boats that weight less than sonar on SSGN

Recently I remember only the patrol ship/frigateTuman (third ship of the project 11540, Neustrashimy class), and the only Novik-class frigate, Project 1244.1 (later decided to be converted in a.training ship (borodino)) that were in various status of.completeness in yantar and were scrapped.

https://web.archive.org/web/20180412001146/https://news.mail.ru/economics/25479808/?frommail=1

They were however outdated concepts and for which the engines were not.anymore available, so scrapping.them freed valuable space in the shipyard.

At the beginning they.hoped to.complete them and sell to.foreign.customers or use.them as training ships, but probably the the ukrainian crisis made them decide against.it.

The other ships.not completed were in banderastan, but Russia could.not do anything about those shipyards

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Sailor Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:55 pm

Last appearance 885m "Kazan". Project 885: Yasen class - Page 33 885m-small

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PapaDragon Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:33 am

Conformal sonar

Project 885: Yasen class - Page 33 Ru_Pr885M_cutaway

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Sailor Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:46 pm

Kazan has 8 torpedo tubes, not 10. This is a total nonsense drawing.

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Sailor Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:58 pm

[quote="PapaDragon"]
Conformal sonar

Inaccuracies in drawing.
Project 885: Yasen class - Page 33 Ru_pr885m_cutaway

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Isos Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:18 pm

So conformal sonars are better than the spherical one that was said to be a new generation ?

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Singular_Transform Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:48 pm

Isos wrote:So conformal sonars are better than the spherical one that was said to be a new generation ?

UK using conformal sonar for long time.

I think there is more constrain than the ones that we see, involving data processing , dimensions and specific transducer cell design.

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dino00 Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:14 am

Two nuclear submarines "Yasen-M" will be laid on Sevmash in 2020-2021

Two multi-purpose nuclear submarines of the project 885M Yasen-M, which were contracted at the Army-2019 International Military-Technical Forum, will be laid at Sevmash in 2020-2021. This was reported by TASS on Thursday at the International Navy Salon, Mikhail Budnichenko, the head of the company.

"These two boats will be laid roughly in 2020-2021," he said.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6653272

Perfect!

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Cyberspec Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:25 pm

This report suggests an additional 2 Yasens have been ordered. But since I haven't seen it confirmed anywhere else, I guess it's probably a mistake

Russian navy orders additional two Yasen-M submarines
Instead of seven, a total of nine of the most advanced nuclear-powered multi-purpose submarine of the 4th generation will sail with the Northern- and Pacific fleets by 2028.

https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/security/2019/07/russian-navy-orders-additional-two-yasen-m-submarines

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dino00 Wed Jul 24, 2019 4:11 am

Cyberspec wrote:This report suggests an additional 2 Yasens have been ordered. But since I haven't seen it confirmed anywhere else, I guess it's probably a mistake

Russian navy orders additional two Yasen-M submarines
Instead of seven, a total of nine of the most advanced nuclear-powered multi-purpose submarine of the 4th generation will sail with the Northern- and Pacific fleets by 2028.

https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/security/2019/07/russian-navy-orders-additional-two-yasen-m-submarines

The post above your...

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Cyberspec Wed Jul 24, 2019 4:38 pm

dino00 wrote:The post above your...

The report in your post says a total of 7 subs....the other one says 9

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dino00 Wed Jul 24, 2019 5:49 pm

Cyberspec wrote:

dino00 wrote:The post above your...

The report in your post says a total of 7 subs....the other one says 9

It doesn't Cyberspec, it says 2 are already launched, 5 being built, 2 Yasen-M more ordered thumbsup

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Cyberspec Wed Jul 24, 2019 6:39 pm

My mistake...I missread the Russian article Embarassed

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Isos Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:23 pm

The guy I already told about. Former US submarine sonar operator that is totally pro-US. And he says that .... huge.

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For the past 3 years, Severodvinsk (K-560) continues to evade NATO navies in the North Atlantic. Her 2019 deployment was met with over a dozen ships and submarines in the North Atlantic and she evaded all of them. Undetected in 2019.

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Big_Gazza Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:26 pm

Isos wrote:The guy I already told about. Former US submarine sonar operator that is totally pro-US. And he says that .... huge.

Jive Turkey
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16 oct.
For the past 3 years, Severodvinsk (K-560) continues to evade NATO navies in the North Atlantic. Her 2019 deployment was met with over a dozen ships and submarines in the North Atlantic and she evaded all of them. Undetected in 2019.

Loving it. The USN brass are kept up at night with the nightmare of 9-12 invisible Yasens unleasing dozens of hypersonic PGMs against their floating elephants... censored

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