Cold War II_(US-West vs Russia/China tensions)

Ontop of that are all the countries under US financial and political hegemony.

In New Zealand we have Whenuapai where they have the listening systems for spying on the Pacific and Asia, but we also have their base in Christchurch for supporting their antarctic operations too, and it wouldn't surprise me if there weren't other bases... NASA is funding some work here too regarding rockets and atmosphere testing with balloons etc and the NSA works with our GCSB.

I think we're literally seeing two or more Worlds forming again.
In many ways a far more combative situation that Cold War 1.

But there were always three worlds... the two parts actively fighting... the western world is the first world and the second world was the communist world, while the third world never really took active part but were used for resources and war zones.

The change is essentially the second world is no longer limited to communist countries and their surrogates or hangers on... and might expand into the third world bringing themup to their level... something the west and the first world never did unless it was of critical urgency... like Germany and Japan joining the west in the interests of bolstering their capabilities against the Soviets after WWII despite them being on the Axis side and adopting eastern europe and some ex soviet states after the end of the cold war...

They don't seem to be in a hurry to make them rich or powerful so to start with it might seem like a great deal.. lifted out of the water that the second world sank in at the end of the cold war but it seems they can't get above the servant quarters level on the wests ship, while Russia has raised its ship out of the water and is trading with China and has now stopped trying to be friends with the west and is looking elsewhere for friends and allies and trade partners.

The children in Poland and the baltic states and other eastern and western european countries might regret the decisions their parents have made.

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Seems some sane Americans are still alive

The sane ones were always there, but up until now the western media has been ignoring them and stepping over them and past them to put their microphones in front of the pro war nutters who think western weapons will obliterate Russia as easily as they obliterate everyone else they pick a fight with... ignoring the fact that they don't get the truth in those situations and no country is actually a walk over and lots of other factors have to come in to play for these victories like sanctions to weaken and isolate...

The fact that the sane people are getting a voice suggests perhaps those that control what we hear realise no matter what weapons HATO pumps into the Ukraine that Russia is going to do what they want to do and no sanctions will stop them... is this really worth destroying the west for... because Russia certainly has the nuclear capacity to do that easily... they wont because it means their destruction too, but when that is going to happen anyway they might as well protect the rest of the world from the west when the west takes them out.

The question is will these thinkers be listened too and will more dissenting voices be heard or will it be pushed back under the carpet and calls for sending in HATO troops continue.

I suspect this talk has come from people hearing the plan for Poland to enter Ukraine with their troops... which would make them fair game for the Russian forces... I am sure if Russia sent in forces to help the Taliban or even just sent them MANPADS and ATGMs the west would go ballistic about how dangerous these weapons are and sending thousands to terrorist hands is irresponsible and any civilian airliner getting shot down will be all Russias fault going forward... blah blah blah...

Double standards are fun aren't they?

Finland’s president and PM make statement on NATO

Russia’s northern neighbor will seek membership in the US-led military bloc

President Sauli Niinisto and Prime Minister Sanna Marin of Finland made a joint statement on Thursday morning, confirming their nation’s desire to become part of NATO. The country refrained from asking for accession during the Cold War, but made a U-turn after the Russian attack against Ukraine in February.

The statement expressed the view that “as a member of NATO, Finland would strengthen the entire defense alliance.” The two officials said their country “must apply for NATO membership without delay”.

https://www.rt.com/news/555342-finland-nato-membership-bid/

By joining NATzO Finland has turned itself into a major threat to Russian national security. From what we are all witnessing now, minorities don't really feel any gratitude towards Russia when they are allowed to secede, the Russian empire allowed Finland to be independent, the Soviets did the same the Ukraine, Baltics and Georgia, look at what people of these countries are doing now, they are all hellbent in in their desire to destroying Russia. Once Russia is finished exterminating the Ukronazis, Russia will have to clean the Baltics and Finland to show to the world that Article 5 is just a BIG JOKE.

Once Russia is finished exterminating the Ukronazis, Russia will have to clean the Baltics and Finland to show to the world that Article 5 is just a BIG JOKE. attack

Technically it is the current governments of Finland and Sweden making these choices... haven't read about any referendums regarding this, but then being Europe you don't need referendums... just ask Washington.

I would say the best revenge the Russian people could get with Finland and Sweden is make them trade in Rubles for everything with Russia... which would result in them stopping all trade because the US wont allow that. Reorient the regions exports and trade towards international products and efforts and move trade to the ports and air ports and rail links to the rest of the world.

These countries are like the Baltic states and were upset when Russia stopped routing trade through their ports and started shifting them to their own Russian ports.

The money that used to go through Baltic ports and Baltic rail lines were shifted to Russian ports and Russian rail lines...

Because if you look at the Ukraine the US was keen on the Neon and the Grain and other resources but left Antonov and Motor Sich and other potential rivals to their own MIC to shrivel and die... why would they do anything different with Finland and Sweden...

Expect the CIA to approach drug lords and gang leaders in the country to see what the US can do to create chaos in that country... to destabilise it and punish it for not being Americas bitch.

AlfaT8 wrote:

GarryB wrote:Expect the CIA to approach drug lords and gang leaders in the country to see what the US can do to create chaos in that country... to destabilise it and punish it for not being Americas bitch.

Its debatle how effective.thats going to be, nowadays america's reputation is so in the toilet that even drug lords and kingpins will think twice if not thrice in making deals with uncle sam.

They have been very effective in Venezuela at rallying the underworld to destabilize the country. I am not going to sing Venezuela's praises, but the US
routinely employs all sorts of slime to further its geopolitical ambitions. Syria and Ukraine are good examples.

For decades they engaged in terrorism and criminal activity in Cuba and the Soviet Union... killing important people, damaging things, burning crops etc etc... the rules of morality and ethics are totally ignored... they are just like a super big super rich Israel really.

We will see... but even the US public didn't buy that Putin was responsible for inflation in the US, so maybe there is some hope...

Yup, getting Australia to buy a type of Submarine it does not need for money it can't afford to meet US interests.

Australia could only possibly need an SSN if they wanted to operate far from Australian waters for long periods... like off the coast of China where the US wants them.

It would also justify a large US naval base in Australia which they will also like for forward deploying forces to piss off the Chinese.

In a recent meeting in the Pacific the US went to great efforts to point out it is a Pacific nation, while ignoring that Russia and China are too.

The Aussies dropped a French deal for a conventional sub based on a nuclear sub design for probably 90 billion for an alternative SSN design that they have no idea of yet to be made who knows where and there is no way it will only be 90 billion... it will be 500 billion or more because they need to build a completely new ground based infrastructure and nuclear industry to support these subs and it is not going to be cheap.

Pelosi going to Taiwan and upsetting things in Kosovo... it seems the US wants distractions to take away attention from the situation in the Ukraine...

Could it be they expect collapse, or they have finally gone batshit crazy and want to set fire to everything they possibly can before they get revealed for the conniving evil monsters that they are...

edit: sounds like Belgrade could do with some NLAWs and Javelins with their faulty weak batteries replaced... perhaps some Stingers too...