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SAA captured truck which had equipment of Turkish origin in it BUT, on this pic is crate of 2x120mm mortar mines built by ex Yugoslavia, company "Pretis" from Sarajevo. Probably obtained via Croatia. Yugoslavian warload does not get old, its like wine, gets better
Project Canada wrote:Alleged Saudi forces going to Syria through Jordan
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1537809923214811
Militarov wrote:
SAA captured truck which had equipment of Turkish origin in it BUT, on this pic is crate of 2x120mm mortar mines built by ex Yugoslavia, company "Pretis" from Sarajevo. Probably obtained via Croatia. Yugoslavian warload does not get old, its like wine, gets better
Aldin_Aba wrote:Dima wrote:But where were those men going?KoTeMoRe wrote:Sorry but the Al Masdar piece doesn't make sense. Aldo posted a gelocated map, and from the look of it there's no way in hell the people attacked the lines at their longest exposure (longest distance to travel from line to line). It hasn't nothing to do with "disaster" or whatever. They're at the deepest of the no man's land. If that was during night time, yeah maybe. But it wasn't. It was in broad day light.
So they better find out what happened and who cut a deal with whom.
The movement makes no sense. They had better routes if they wanted to go forward.
That entire episode is fishy. Their chosen path/line of advance will make sense only after we get to know what that specific units objective/target was. From the video I feel the buildings (where the video is taken) from which the fire came was not their intended target and the men considered it to be a safe/secured flank ?
The footage showing the dead bodies are taken from different angle other than from where firing was shown. So its confusing, atleast for me.
In the opening and other shots of the video I do see which looks like AKs in the hands of deceased fighters, but as someone else pointed out earlier, it could have been with empty magazines...
Aldin,
Is it possible for you to mark the direction from where the guys came and possibly the line of advance from the videos available?
There are small walls/structures to the right side, in the direction the soldiers were running and which can be clearly seen on the right side of the soldier who is shot again when he sits up after getting injured from the earlier fire. I cant see that structure anywhere near the dead bodies in the pic you posted. In the video it appears just very close to those soldiers who probably were running to take cover behind it.
Its just out of curiosity, want to know what really happened.
It definitely looks like staged.
This was their running pattern :
http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=33.589013&lon=36.479373&z=18&m=b&gz=0;364794158;335883917;0;15506;2038;13987;3111;12825;4076;11395;4827;9250;5471;7373;7402;4155;8368;2815;5471;134;5364;178;5096;1251;5310;0;7134;446
When zoomed in at the end building with hangar like structure is here:
http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=33.589286&lon=36.486036&z=19&m=b
KoTeMoRe wrote:Militarov wrote:
SAA captured truck which had equipment of Turkish origin in it BUT, on this pic is crate of 2x120mm mortar mines built by ex Yugoslavia, company "Pretis" from Sarajevo. Probably obtained via Croatia. Yugoslavian warload does not get old, its like wine, gets better
95 loads? Geez they kept producing as the war was done with...Balkan Priorities!!!
BEIRUT -- Late in the night on Feb. 2, the news hit: "all communication and supply line[s]" between Turkey and Aleppo had been severed, according to a Elijah Magnier, a renowned Arab war correspondent with Alrai Media Group. It seems to be so: the Syrian army and allied militias, backed by Hezbollah and Russian air power, took control of a tendril of territory that cuts off Aleppo-based rebels from the Turkish border. See the map below. Eastern supply lines for the so-called Islamic State appear to have also been cut.
Of particular strategic importance is the village of Murassat Khan and adjacent towns north of Aleppo: by taking control of the area, Damascus ended the main Turkey-Aleppo insurgent supply line. The tourniquet around Aleppo can be pulled off the city -- and at the same time, one of the main ISIS oil corridors to Turkey is cut. If things proceed as they have been, with the regime advancing further into rebel-held territory, the red swathe of Syrian government forces will shortly expand to encircle all opposition forces (predominantly Jabhat al-Nusra and ISIS), who themselves have been encircling Aleppo in the east.
Edward Dark, a pseudonym for a respected commentator on Syrian affairs living in Aleppo, tweeted on Feb. 3, "This is the beginning of the end of jihadi presence in Aleppo. After 4 years of war & terror, people can finally see the end in sight."
But if we were to step back and take a look at more of Syria, as shown in the (slightly older) map below, a bigger picture emerges.
Take a close look at the map below. The yellow area purports to represent territory controlled by Syrian Kurds. In reality, "control" is not an appropriate word. But the territory in yellow nevertheless can be said to be friendly to the Syrian army. The People's Protection Units (a group of mostly Kurdish militias known by the acronym YPG) are being given Russian air support (and sometimes American air support as well). The Afrin canton (the yellow area in Syria's northwest corner) is the area through which the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency supply line to rebel coalitions, along the Mount Turkmen heights, reportedly used to run. The Latakia region is now in the process of being sealed.
If government forces, moving north, can make friendly contact with the Kurds in the northeast, almost all Nusra and allied rebel forces would be nearly surrounded. The insurgents would be caught in a cauldron with their backs to a lightly populated and forested territory.
The grey, ISIS-controlled corridor, especially the Jarablus border crossing with Turkey, remains effectively open. Turkey has proclaimed this represents its "red line." Were this corridor to be closed by the Syrian Kurds, the Turks have indicated they could respond by invading Syria. The YPG say nonetheless, that they are contemplating just such a move.
In the last few days, the spokesman for the Russian defense ministry warned that Russia has seen clear evidence of Turkish preparations for a military invasion of Syria. It seems likely that this statement is intended by Russia as a warning to Turkey to do no such thing.
Meanwhile, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov made it absolutely clear (to Turkey and to everyone else) that Russia intends to close the border area between ISIS-held territory and Turkey: "The key point for the ceasefire to work is a task of blocking illegal trafficking across the Turkish-Syrian border, which supports the militants," he said. "Without closing the border it is difficult to expect the ceasefire to take place." Russia is politely telling Turkey that any incursion risks direct confrontation and war. Recently, for whatever reason, ISIS forces have appeared to start pulling out of that area.
With Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan being the irascible character that he is, it is possible that we may yet see surprises, like a Turkish incursion into northern Syria aimed -- ostensibly -- at preventing the Syrian Kurds from linking up along the southern side of the Turkish border. But, if Turkey were to take such independent action, it would likely forfeit any NATO support beyond rhetoric, and any Turkish expeditionary force would have to be launched in the face of Russia's complete air superiority in Syria, which extends right up to the Turkish border.
To discourage Turkey from taking such a rash undertaking, however, Russia reportedly deployed several of its latest advanced fighter jets to Syria (which easily outclass Turkish F-16s) and also repaired and upgraded the Syrian air force's line up.
To put it baldly then, as things stand, Syria seems to be heading not towards a "quagmire" as many western politicians have suggested, but rather to a clear military outcome. As one knowledgable commentator noted, the negotiating table is not in Geneva. The true negotiations are taking place on the battlefields of Idlib and Aleppo -- and what has just been negotiated is the near encirclement of rebel forces into a cauldron.
Nor, it seems, is Syria heading toward a low-intensity guerrilla war in the aftermath of any military victory on the ground. The scenes below, showing people's jubilation when the Syrian Army and Hezbollah forces entered villages that had been retaken from rebel forces this week, tell a different story:
Put simply, should Nusra members (who are mainly Syrian) and other rebels try to disperse and hide amongst local communities, there will be no water in which these fish can swim, to paraphrase the Maoist adage. They will find little or no public support. Syria has a very effective intelligence service. We may expect that within a year, most of the disbanded jihadists will have been found out and reported to the intelligence services by locals, who suffered grievously under their occupation. Most will be arrested or killed.
Peoples who undergo the kind of trauma to which Syrians have been subjected either emerge as a psychologically defeated nation or they are strengthened by the crisis through which they have passed. I am quite sure from my visits to Syria through this crisis that its people will emerge stronger. Steel has entered into the Syrian soul.
I also expect Syria to soon again constitute a strong regional state. The meaning of this will be evidenced in a powerful, cohesive northern arc through the region -- and perhaps closer relations with Iraq. Correspondingly, certain Gulf states will find themselves eclipsed.
American and many European elites will find this outcome hard to swallow. Western diplomats and military officers have become more used to quagmires that lead to no political outcomes, or to fudges that lead to stasis, rather than interventions that have a real conclusion. That this should have been achieved with direct help from Russia, Iran and Hezbollah will be a bitter pill to swallow. It will have consequences too.
One is already apparent. The Obama administration announced this week it would ask Congress to quadruple its security assistance to Europe. Polarization seems to be on the cards. The 4+1 coalition (Syria, Iraq, Iran, Russia and Hezbollah) is likely to become the core to a real security architecture for parts of the Middle East -- and probably Central Asia too. China will increasingly be drawn into this new architecture as well, since it fears that its "One Belt, One Road" project, on which its economic future largely is staked, is as vulnerable to Wahhabism as was Syria and Iraq. Chinese officials, I've been told, are aware that America could again use the Wahhabist tool to frustrate their new project.
The question is, will the bitterness at Syria, Russia and Iran's achievement poison America and Europe's attitude towards the new security architecture being forged in Syria? Will it be seen as anti-Western (which it is not), or will Europe manage to curb the Pavlovian NATO impulses sufficiently to establish some modus vivendi? The auguries are not promising.
Werewolf wrote:Who actually geolocates all those pictures? Either people who very well know the location (intern) or intelligence people that know how to pinpoint locations from pictures/footage and looking at the frequency of pinned locations from footage i would guess the later one.
Militarov wrote:KoTeMoRe wrote:Militarov wrote:
SAA captured truck which had equipment of Turkish origin in it BUT, on this pic is crate of 2x120mm mortar mines built by ex Yugoslavia, company "Pretis" from Sarajevo. Probably obtained via Croatia. Yugoslavian warload does not get old, its like wine, gets better
95 loads? Geez they kept producing as the war was done with...Balkan Priorities!!!
Yeep, take note that Pretis was under control of Serbs till the end of the war, when it naturally became part of new country "Bosnia and Herzegovina". So i assume these are stocks that Serbs left after war ended to the Army of Republic of Serbs, which later merged into BiH armed forces, which naturally later sold around most of its equipment anyways, some to Croatia too, mainly ammunition.
Militarov wrote:KoTeMoRe wrote:Militarov wrote:
SAA captured truck which had equipment of Turkish origin in it BUT, on this pic is crate of 2x120mm mortar mines built by ex Yugoslavia, company "Pretis" from Sarajevo. Probably obtained via Croatia. Yugoslavian warload does not get old, its like wine, gets better
95 loads? Geez they kept producing as the war was done with...Balkan Priorities!!!
Yeep, take note that Pretis was under control of Serbs till the end of the war, when it naturally became part of new country "Bosnia and Herzegovina". So i assume these are stocks that Serbs left after war ended to the Army of Republic of Serbs, which later merged into BiH armed forces, which naturally later sold around most of its equipment anyways, some to Croatia too, mainly ammunition.
KoTeMoRe wrote:Militarov wrote:KoTeMoRe wrote:Militarov wrote:
SAA captured truck which had equipment of Turkish origin in it BUT, on this pic is crate of 2x120mm mortar mines built by ex Yugoslavia, company "Pretis" from Sarajevo. Probably obtained via Croatia. Yugoslavian warload does not get old, its like wine, gets better
95 loads? Geez they kept producing as the war was done with...Balkan Priorities!!!
Yeep, take note that Pretis was under control of Serbs till the end of the war, when it naturally became part of new country "Bosnia and Herzegovina". So i assume these are stocks that Serbs left after war ended to the Army of Republic of Serbs, which later merged into BiH armed forces, which naturally later sold around most of its equipment anyways, some to Croatia too, mainly ammunition.
Makes sense. Also, there's some talk about markings on the Rityan captured "Osas" being RL90...Teacher's Pet intensifies.
Militarov wrote:KoTeMoRe wrote:Militarov wrote:KoTeMoRe wrote:Militarov wrote:
SAA captured truck which had equipment of Turkish origin in it BUT, on this pic is crate of 2x120mm mortar mines built by ex Yugoslavia, company "Pretis" from Sarajevo. Probably obtained via Croatia. Yugoslavian warload does not get old, its like wine, gets better
95 loads? Geez they kept producing as the war was done with...Balkan Priorities!!!
Yeep, take note that Pretis was under control of Serbs till the end of the war, when it naturally became part of new country "Bosnia and Herzegovina". So i assume these are stocks that Serbs left after war ended to the Army of Republic of Serbs, which later merged into BiH armed forces, which naturally later sold around most of its equipment anyways, some to Croatia too, mainly ammunition.
Makes sense. Also, there's some talk about markings on the Rityan captured "Osas" being RL90...Teacher's Pet intensifies.
Majority of Osa launchers in Syria came from Croatia anyways, RL90 M95 or not they are anways trying to get rid of them to "replace" them with AT4 and Carl Gustav. There tho were rumons that Serbs sold some to Muammar Gaddafi when war there started, so if true some might be from there.
Our Gov. atm would not sell weapons to itself let alone someone foreign that US did not bless.
Aldin_Aba wrote:Militarov wrote:KoTeMoRe wrote:Militarov wrote:
SAA captured truck which had equipment of Turkish origin in it BUT, on this pic is crate of 2x120mm mortar mines built by ex Yugoslavia, company "Pretis" from Sarajevo. Probably obtained via Croatia. Yugoslavian warload does not get old, its like wine, gets better
95 loads? Geez they kept producing as the war was done with...Balkan Priorities!!!
Yeep, take note that Pretis was under control of Serbs till the end of the war, when it naturally became part of new country "Bosnia and Herzegovina". So i assume these are stocks that Serbs left after war ended to the Army of Republic of Serbs, which later merged into BiH armed forces, which naturally later sold around most of its equipment anyways, some to Croatia too, mainly ammunition.
Fuses are from BINAS Bugojno, lot of surplus of Bosnian weapons are exported to Iraq, Turkey recently,Saudi Arabia and other Arab nations.
Aldin_Aba wrote:Militarov wrote:KoTeMoRe wrote:Militarov wrote:KoTeMoRe wrote:Militarov wrote:
SAA captured truck which had equipment of Turkish origin in it BUT, on this pic is crate of 2x120mm mortar mines built by ex Yugoslavia, company "Pretis" from Sarajevo. Probably obtained via Croatia. Yugoslavian warload does not get old, its like wine, gets better
95 loads? Geez they kept producing as the war was done with...Balkan Priorities!!!
Yeep, take note that Pretis was under control of Serbs till the end of the war, when it naturally became part of new country "Bosnia and Herzegovina". So i assume these are stocks that Serbs left after war ended to the Army of Republic of Serbs, which later merged into BiH armed forces, which naturally later sold around most of its equipment anyways, some to Croatia too, mainly ammunition.
Makes sense. Also, there's some talk about markings on the Rityan captured "Osas" being RL90...Teacher's Pet intensifies.
Majority of Osa launchers in Syria came from Croatia anyways, RL90 M95 or not they are anways trying to get rid of them to "replace" them with AT4 and Carl Gustav. There tho were rumons that Serbs sold some to Muammar Gaddafi when war there started, so if true some might be from there.
Our Gov. atm would not sell weapons to itself let alone someone foreign that US did not bless.
Same goes for RAK-12 Croatian built version of M-63 Plamen.
Neutrality wrote:Saudi Arabia says open to sending special forces into Syria
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-saudi-idUSKCN0VH1YX
When these news articles appear you can rest assured it's already happening.
Neutrality wrote:Saudi Arabia says open to sending special forces into Syria
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-saudi-idUSKCN0VH1YX
When these news articles appear you can rest assured it's already happening.
OminousSpudd wrote:Alright, alright, enough Serbia/Yugoslavia strong, let's get back on topic you pirates.
Neutrality wrote:Saudi Arabia says open to sending special forces into Syria
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-saudi-idUSKCN0VH1YX
When these news articles appear you can rest assured it's already happening.
We go on this 'sunshine' trip regularly. It is mainly a logistics and medical exercise. Now that the UK's army is not really fighting anywhere it still has to keep in training somewhere and Southern Jordan, beside the Red Sea, is a very nice place to go.Erk wrote:Neutrality wrote:Saudi Arabia says open to sending special forces into Syria
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-saudi-idUSKCN0VH1YX
When these news articles appear you can rest assured it's already happening.
What's interesting about that, is there are also 1,600 troops from the UK going to Jordan for some war games exercise that is supposed to be in case of war against Russia in Europe. Why would you do that in Jordan?
It's starting to smell a bit fishy.
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