Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

Dima wrote:But not in good hands.

Repeating....the monopoly of Severnya has to be broken and parallel line(s) need to be started in other shipyards now that there is lot of time due to the delay in M90 turbines.

Mirlo wrote:

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The Russian Navy expects to receive six new Project 22350 frigates by 2025

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20160504/1039046212/navy-minister-frigate.html#ixzz47gMmbIWZ

This is a very bad news for the Russian Navy. To me it is demonstrating that there are big difficulties (much more tan openly admitted) in the modernization program. All major ship projects are delayed or at very low production rate or simply stoped. Six ships in nine years is horrible, making that when they enter in service they will be almost obsolete. Honestly I was expecting at leats one per year with a mínimum of 8 to replace the Sovremmeny class.

If the problem are the gas turbines, why they do not go to china, QC185 gas turbine may be a good choice, at least a stop gap option. But in my opinion the problems are deeper than the gas turbines and lay in the whole concept, something is going wrong with this Project.

Best regards

Mirlo

the military wants a new budget for rearmament and a half times more than the As" Poliment-Redoute "theme (the new anti-aircraft missile systems to the Navy with 9M96 missiles), as noted by Gulyaev, "has not yet received a positive result of the application of anti-aircraft missiles enterprise development" Torch ", intended to equip the corvettes and frigates of project 20380 22350". He stressed that this fact directly influences the commissioning of the head of the frigate commissioned the project 22350 "Admiral Gorshkov", while the president on November 2016 set a deadline of the ship date.

the Ministry of Defense has suspended the trial for a new rocket ship air defense complex "Poliment-Redoute" due to the fact that the company EKO "Almaz-Antey" can not bring development to the stated specifications. A source in the defense industry said that "rockets fall on the third second.
"Because of its catastrophic backlog on" Poliment-Redoute ", mainly related to the failure to reach technical characteristics of anti-aircraft guided missiles 9M96, 9M96D, 9M100."

chicken wrote:What happens if the problem persists after November?

runaway wrote:The problem is the engines as we all know, the npo saturn is developing new ones in a hurry. So we have 4 ships being constructed with hulls ready. As soon as the new engines are ready we will see the ships rapidly coming into service.

It would make sense to continue building gregorovich frigates as the new destroyer is 10-15 years away and sovrymennys and udaloys is soon completely obselete.

The russian warship industri would need a sucess after many failures and broken timelines.

runaway wrote:The problem is the engines as we all know, the npo saturn is developing new ones in a hurry. So we have 4 ships being constructed with hulls ready. As soon as the new engines are ready we will see the ships rapidly coming into service.

It would make sense to continue building gregorovich frigates as the new destroyer is 10-15 years away and sovrymennys and udaloys is soon completely obselete.

The russian warship industri would need a sucess after many failures and broken timelines.

sepheronx wrote:This is a reason why this forums is turning to crap....  once again, new systems not made before. You guys can clearly read English (I hope), the issue is Almaz antey. Not shipyard.  Their navy based aad system Poliment Redut is just not working and apparently they broken it down to Fakel plant that makes the S-400 system.  As Gary pointed out, when making them for ship, it isn't the same and many problems arise.  AA will have to get their facility in order as the ministers made mention of the plants condition and that they were very unimpressed.  At same time, the authorities made it very well known they are forcing the KPI system on many state companies, including AA.

PapaDragon wrote:

runaway wrote:The problem is the engines as we all know, the npo saturn is developing new ones in a hurry. So we have 4 ships being constructed with hulls ready. As soon as the new engines are ready we will see the ships rapidly coming into service.

It would make sense to continue building gregorovich frigates as the new destroyer is 10-15 years away and sovrymennys and udaloys is soon completely obselete.

The russian warship industri would need a sucess after many failures and broken timelines.

Since they are already waiting for engines they might as well just focus on Gorshkovs because Grigorevich uses same engines so it's delay one way or the other. Better to go with new stuff. And without engines they might as well use that time to iron out missile problems on lead ship. One ship more or less over six month period is nothing.

runaway wrote:

"NavyRecognition.com reported in March and January 2015 respectively that the Project 20385 (Gremyashchy), Project 21631 (Buyan-M), Project 22350 (Admiral Gorshkov), and Project 11356M (Admiral Grigovich) class corvettes and frigates are dependent on German and Ukrainian engines.[17] Projects 20385 and 21631 use German diesel engines, while the 22350 and 11356M use Ukrainian-assembled turbines"

Not that it matters much but its not the same engines.

So there it is, no new gorshkov or grigorovich until 2019-2020. The last 3 grigorovich could be sold to india.

Guess the big ships is put on hold and they will be building the new type of corvettes with russian engines.

GarryB wrote:........

BTW there wont be any engine problems with their big ships as they will all be Russian made nukes.