SeigSoloyvov wrote: chicken wrote:What happens if the problem persists after November?
the ship will remain uncommissioned until they work it out, So what 10 years and still not one Gorshkov-class in the navy.
That's just sad. No excuse for this, this isn't no 90k ton carrier or a 17k Cruiser. They should have had at least 6 in the ranks by now.
I would like to see you do better.
Cry all you want, but such systems are brand new and this was expected. The ships are there, but the system isn't. And who's fault is that? Almaz Antey and not the shipyard or anyone else, as they screwed up. Why bother giving the contract to the department that hasn't the history of building navy equipment when the one that does, didn't get it? S-300F which is already in service and working fine, doesn't face the same issues. But that was made by a completely different organization that is now part of Almaz Antey as a whole. This Redut system is S-400 of the sea, and they gave it to Fakel, the makers of it, while in the past they gave it to Altair who made the S-300F. So why not hand them S-400F or Redut or whatever?
This time, it isn't the shipyards fault. And technically, since Almaz Antey is breaking the contract severely, they should be punished. IE, they should be sued by the Russian MoD and then move onto alternatives. You guys can cry and say this is unacceptable but lets also be real here - they wanted a system on a whole new platform doing something that they have not done in a very long time and during times of piss poor spending. It was only recently were the military is getting the budget, so I highly doubt much money had flowed before all this.
The ships are there, it is now waiting for the failure that is Poliment-Redut to be actually functioning, if it ever does. If it doesn't I imagine they will scrap the program altogether and find alternatives, while getting this current ships at least out to sea, even if half assed and using Shtil or something else.
chicken wrote:What happens if the problem persists after November?
Continue to waste time and work on the failure that is Poliment Redut, or they might actually do something and demand that the money is transferred to current working systems like S-300F.
Edit: After reading through this: https://z5h64q92x9.net/proxy_u/ru-en.ru/vpk.name/news/159848_k_byudzhetnoi_bitve_podtyagivayut_zapasnoi_polk.html, I have come to the conclusion that the issue facing such systems is due to management of Almaz Antey. They are not following KPI structure and are still being given "bonuses" even if the are not meeting the demand. Thus, there isn't a drive for success by the company, only though the means of export is there. So as a method, Rogozin is demanding that such structure is enforced and that poor performance will mean jobs are lost.