So much for conscription being the only gaurantee for enough servicemen...
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Russian Military Reform
KomissarBojanchev- Posts : 1429
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- Post n°151
Re: Russian Military Reform
http://rt.com/politics/200391-russian-army-contract-reform/
So much for conscription being the only gaurantee for enough servicemen...
So much for conscription being the only gaurantee for enough servicemen...
Regular- Posts : 3894
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- Post n°152
Re: Russian Military Reform
Nice find. Positive things are happening in military. Very good.KomissarBojanchev wrote:http://rt.com/politics/200391-russian-army-contract-reform/
So much for conscription being the only gaurantee for enough servicemen...
GarryB- Posts : 40553
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- Post n°153
Re: Russian Military Reform
A step forward... but no mention of ending conscription...
Vann7- Posts : 5385
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- Post n°154
Re: Russian Military Reform
GarryB wrote:A step forward... but no mention of ending conscription...
Cost vs service offered.. you don't need always special forces for all security.. for peacekeeping missions for example or regular security in border post . you don't need Spetnaz GRU to guard such places. Conscription makes sense , when also is balanced with Professional soldiers.. Is more cost effective hiring a conscript for a place where the risk
of security problem is very low or next to zero.
George1- Posts : 18523
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- Post n°155
Re: Russian Military Reform
Interesting! Restore Army Air Force and Air Defense
"In accordance with the plan of activities of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation until 2020 to August 1, the control of the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th Air Force Command and Air Defense Air Force, members of the four military districts will be reorganized according to the 6 th, 14 th, 11 th and 4 th Army Air Force and Air Defense, "- a spokesman said.
"In accordance with the plan of activities of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation until 2020 to August 1, the control of the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th Air Force Command and Air Defense Air Force, members of the four military districts will be reorganized according to the 6 th, 14 th, 11 th and 4 th Army Air Force and Air Defense, "- a spokesman said.
Viktor- Posts : 5796
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- Post n°156
Re: Russian Military Reform
Back to Soviet proven practice
Putin approved five general designer of arms on classified topics
Putin approved five general designer of arms on classified topics
In the decree of the President noted that the general designer - a project manager to create a new composite sample techniques or weapons of strategic importance for national defense and security. After the signing of the decree at the meeting of the Military-Industrial Commission, Putin noted that these designers in Russia will be a maximum of 20. According to the president, they will receive broader powers to manage the resources allocated to the project, but will carry a more assertive and responsible for the outcome.
Acheron- Posts : 114
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- Post n°157
Re: Russian Military Reform
GarryB wrote:A step forward... but no mention of ending conscription...
I hope conscription in some form will always be present in the ranks of the Russian army. Large and trained mobilization pool is one of the most effective means of preventing wars of aggression against one's country. If the proverbial shit hits the fan, having millions of men on hand who have basic training in personal weapons and tactics and who can be readily assigned to reinforce or form divisions/brigades is invaluable.
Werewolf- Posts : 5928
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- Post n°158
Re: Russian Military Reform
Acheron wrote:GarryB wrote:A step forward... but no mention of ending conscription...
I hope conscription in some form will always be present in the ranks of the Russian army. Large and trained mobilization pool is one of the most effective means of preventing wars of aggression against one's country. If the proverbial shit hits the fan, having millions of men on hand who have basic training in personal weapons and tactics and who can be readily assigned to reinforce or form divisions/brigades is invaluable.
Exactly, but we had here a guy who advertized that russia must stop conscripts and become a small "professional army" with 500.000 men to be "effecient". He did not want to understand that for Russia or any country that is bigger than some western european countries needs a lot of manpower to keep any aggression away and half a million won't cut it ever.
franco- Posts : 7054
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- Post n°159
Re: Russian Military Reform
If the present plans are realized for the 1,000,000 staff RFAF, only 230,000 of those would be conscripts.
KoTeMoRe- Posts : 4212
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- Post n°160
Re: Russian Military Reform
On a side note, the biggest concern I have that the top brass should tackle the cellphone/social media issue.
Right now there are pictures from the troops deployed in Rostov, FFS in hypothetical case of "frog-leaping" the border, you maybe don't want the Ukrops to know who and what is coming. Just saying.
Right now there are pictures from the troops deployed in Rostov, FFS in hypothetical case of "frog-leaping" the border, you maybe don't want the Ukrops to know who and what is coming. Just saying.
George1- Posts : 18523
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- Post n°161
Re: Russian Military Reform
Russian Army: Contract Soldiers Outnumber Conscripts First Time in History
Professional soldiers now outnumber their conscript counterparts in the Russian Army, for the first time in Russian history, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu told Russian media on Tuesday.
Speaking at a military recruitment center in St. Petersburg, Shoigu explained that this past Saturday, the 300,000th professional soldier signed up for the Russian Army. According to the Defense Ministry, the new record figure is nearly 24,000 soldiers more than the current 276,000 serving as conscripts.
Talking to St. Petersburg resident Pavel Sidorov, who became the 300,000th contract soldier to join the military, General Shoigu noted that "the Russian Army now has more troops from the contract service than from conscription. Gradually, this figure will only increase. We hope that ultimately, the army will become fully professionalized. Good luck to you!"
General Shoigu handed Sidorov a black naval infantry beret, along with an all-season set of field uniforms.
By the end of 2015, the Russian Armed Forces expect to increase the number of soldiers serving under contract to 352,000. By 2020, the Russian Army hopes to raise the number further, to half-a-million. Professionals are already set to replace conscripts in all positions of command authority from the sergeant level by the end of the year, with the government also pushing hard to replace conscripts in the submarine and surface fleets. Most of the country's battalions standing on permanent readiness, as well as special purpose units, are already comprised entirely of professionals.
The Defense Ministry has high hopes for a number of initiatives aimed at attracting educated, quality personnel. This includes a program inviting recent graduates from post-secondary institutions for two years of service as contract soldiers, in the place of 12 months of compulsory service as conscripts. The government also has several programs aimed at enticing servicemen for long term service, offering special subsidized military mortgages for professional soldiers and their families after three years of service.
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20150428/1021491573.html#ixzz3Ydza57jG
Professional soldiers now outnumber their conscript counterparts in the Russian Army, for the first time in Russian history, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu told Russian media on Tuesday.
Speaking at a military recruitment center in St. Petersburg, Shoigu explained that this past Saturday, the 300,000th professional soldier signed up for the Russian Army. According to the Defense Ministry, the new record figure is nearly 24,000 soldiers more than the current 276,000 serving as conscripts.
Talking to St. Petersburg resident Pavel Sidorov, who became the 300,000th contract soldier to join the military, General Shoigu noted that "the Russian Army now has more troops from the contract service than from conscription. Gradually, this figure will only increase. We hope that ultimately, the army will become fully professionalized. Good luck to you!"
General Shoigu handed Sidorov a black naval infantry beret, along with an all-season set of field uniforms.
By the end of 2015, the Russian Armed Forces expect to increase the number of soldiers serving under contract to 352,000. By 2020, the Russian Army hopes to raise the number further, to half-a-million. Professionals are already set to replace conscripts in all positions of command authority from the sergeant level by the end of the year, with the government also pushing hard to replace conscripts in the submarine and surface fleets. Most of the country's battalions standing on permanent readiness, as well as special purpose units, are already comprised entirely of professionals.
The Defense Ministry has high hopes for a number of initiatives aimed at attracting educated, quality personnel. This includes a program inviting recent graduates from post-secondary institutions for two years of service as contract soldiers, in the place of 12 months of compulsory service as conscripts. The government also has several programs aimed at enticing servicemen for long term service, offering special subsidized military mortgages for professional soldiers and their families after three years of service.
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20150428/1021491573.html#ixzz3Ydza57jG
TR1- Posts : 5435
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- Post n°162
Re: Russian Military Reform
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1282949.html
The armed forces is roughly composed of 776,000 personnel.
The armed forces is roughly composed of 776,000 personnel.
George1- Posts : 18523
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- Post n°163
Re: Russian Military Reform
TR1 wrote:http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1282949.html
The armed forces is roughly composed of 776,000 personnel.
that is the number of all branches?
TR1- Posts : 5435
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Re: Russian Military Reform
George1 wrote:TR1 wrote:http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1282949.html
The armed forces is roughly composed of 776,000 personnel.
that is the number of all branches?
Only the MOD, but yeah all the main branches within the MOD.
franco- Posts : 7054
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Re: Russian Military Reform
TR1 wrote:George1 wrote:TR1 wrote:http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1282949.html
The armed forces is roughly composed of 776,000 personnel.
that is the number of all branches?
Only the MOD, but yeah all the main branches within the MOD.
The officer total is closer to 220,000 plus the cadets in the military schools and Warrant Officers.
Viktor- Posts : 5796
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- Post n°166
Re: Russian Military Reform
Now, this is very important
The deputy head of the Defense Ministry: 85% of Russians trust the army
The deputy head of the Defense Ministry: 85% of Russians trust the army
NationalRus- Posts : 610
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- Post n°167
Re: Russian Military Reform
Viktor wrote:Now, this is very important
The deputy head of the Defense Ministry: 85% of Russians trust the army
nice change, only 4-5 year back the army was still looked negative upon with the first things you think when you heared army was "corruption" and "dedovshina" and i ranted non stop here about ther bad state, gladly the reforms are taking great effect and segej shuigu also did his part in better managment of the army and its popularety
sepheronx- Posts : 8850
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- Post n°168
Re: Russian Military Reform
NationalRus wrote:Viktor wrote:Now, this is very important
The deputy head of the Defense Ministry: 85% of Russians trust the army
nice change, only 4-5 year back the army was still looked negative upon with the first things you think when you heared army was "corruption" and "dedovshina" and i ranted non stop here about ther bad state, gladly the reforms are taking great effect and segej shuigu also did his part in better managment of the army and its popularety
Agreed. I think with all these snap drills and exercises, is keeping them busy. As well, with half or more of the armed forces are contract soldiers, thry are clearly in it for the money and signed up at own will, so they will be more professional imo.
Godric- Posts : 802
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Re: Russian Military Reform
NationalRus wrote:Viktor wrote:Now, this is very important
The deputy head of the Defense Ministry: 85% of Russians trust the army
nice change, only 4-5 year back the army was still looked negative upon with the first things you think when you heared army was "corruption" and "dedovshina" and i ranted non stop here about ther bad state, gladly the reforms are taking great effect and segej shuigu also did his part in better managment of the army and its popularety
the Red Army acted on the mistakes made during the 888 war and the failing's of the equipment supplied to the soldiers and today we all see the fruits of the lessons learned the Russian armed forces will only grow stronger
Regular- Posts : 3894
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Re: Russian Military Reform
Hey come on, You can't feed Yourself with patriotism.sepheronx wrote:
nice change, only 4-5 year bathry are clearly in it for the money and signed up at own will, so they will be more professional imo.
Soldiers are humans, they need to have families, place to live, car and all othet things like civilians do.
There are plenty of easier, better paid jobs, and it takes special dedication to serve in the military. Young people trust and are proud of their military and that's why patriotic youth want to pursue military related professions. There is a special culture in Russia relating people who served in military, similar to one in Israel.
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Red Army? Do You mean White Blue and Red army;)? There was not much to learn from 888. Airforce and counter artillery systems were only things lacking. Actually it was Army who had to work on its own when Russian AF in the region was making one mistake after another. Army had no multipliers like massive artillery, better armour, aviation strikes on demand and not to mention numerior superiority. They did A+ job.Godric wrote:NationalRus wrote:Viktor wrote:Now, this is very important
The deputy head of the Defense Ministry: 85% of Russians trust the army
nice change, only 4-5 year back the army was still looked negative upon with the first things you think when you heared army was "corruption" and "dedovshina" and i ranted non stop here about ther bad state, gladly the reforms are taking great effect and segej shuigu also did his part in better managment of the army and its popularety
the Red Army acted on the mistakes made during the 888 war and the failing's of the equipment supplied to the soldiers and today we all see the fruits of the lessons learned the Russian armed forces will only grow stronger
Yes, there are reports of good runs on Georgian positions, attacks on radars and AA systems. But overall RuAF was in similar pathetic state to UaAF. I do hope it's not the case now.
Georgians have improved alot too. Their army is not just nice uniforms and fancy two digit equipment. Hostilities with them are not very likely too, say whatever but Georgians are 10 times more civilized than Ukrainians. Atleast they have a chance to regain lost lands by non military means when Ukrainians now have no chance to win hearts and minds of their eastern brethren.
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Putin prioritizes task to keep pace of Armed Forces modernization
The share of modern weapons should reach 32% and 33% in the Army and the Air Force, correspondingly, 40% in the Airborne Troops and over 50% in the Navy and the Aerospace Defense Forces
SOCHI, May 12. /TASS/. A priority task for Russia is to keep pace of its Armed Forces modernization, President Vladimir Putin said at a meeting on the development of the defense sector on Tuesday.
"In general, proper fulfillment of my instructions given to the Defense Ministry and specialized departments of the defense and industrial sector has resulted in the build-up of the pace of the army and navy rearmament," Putin said.
"Now the priority task is to keep this pace, promptly resolving the issues referred to joint competences and strictly fulfilling the confirmed schedules and deadlines of deliveries," the Russian president said.
The Russian Armed Forces should reach the planned parameters of their rearmament with modern weaponry by the end of summer, Putin said.
"Their share [of modern weapons] should reach 32% and 33% in the Army and the Air Force, correspondingly, 40% in the Airborne Troops and over 50% in the Navy and the Aerospace Defense Forces," the Russian president said.
Russian air defense systems in demand on global arms market
According to Putin, certain success has been achieved over two years of the armed force development and the discussion of the state defense order fulfilment progress with the military commanders and representatives of the defense industry enterprises. "Optimization of the Russian army’s structure and composition, as well as the weapons systems was launched last year," Putin said. "We have been working on several spheres making progress in each."
According to the president, the newly created modified samples of weapons, military and special equipment will reduce the number of their types. "This means cost cutting for the whole rearmament program," Putin said. "This will also help us cut the costs not only for the maintenance, but also production, and implementation of the concept for the development of the Armed Forces’ automated command and control system will make it possible on a phased basis to improve troops’ control efficiency."
The Russian leader said that this system is designed for the period until 2020.
State defense contract targets are being met
According to the president, practically all of state defense contract targets are being met as expected and the work is rhythmical.
"Practically all state defense contracts are being implemented as expected," Putin said at a conference reviewing progress in the development of the defence-industrial complex. On April 17, the unified military products acceptance day, we were able to see that this work is rhythmical and there is nothing like year-end ‘all hands’ job’," Putin said.
Putin cited statistics indicating that in January-April 2015 the manufacturers had already delivered more than one-third of the expected number of planes and helicopters, drones and air defense systems. Russia’s armour and artillery were being upgraded actively. The Russian armed forces was receiving advanced strategic missile complexes, surface ships and submarines.
Russian Northern Fleet-based troops enhance Arctic security
Vladimir Putin also noted that the body of troops based on the Northern Fleet has enhanced security in the Arctic.
"The formation of the Northern Fleet Strategic Command has enhanced security in the Arctic, promoting modernization of military infrastructure in this region important for Russia," the president said.
The Arctic Joint Strategic Command was launched on December 1, 2014. It was formed on the basis of the Northern Fleet. A Russian Defence Ministry source told TASS previously that a self-sufficient troops group would be formed in the region by 2018. It will comprise, in particular, an air force and antiaircraft defence army the creation of which was announced by Chief of the Russian General Staff Valery Gerasimov. In addition, two separate motorised infantry brigades are being formed. The new command, based on the Northern Fleet and headquartered at Severomorsk, will acquire military, naval surface and strategic nuclear subsurface, air force and aerospace defence units, assets, and bases transferred from Russia's Western, Central, and Southern (but not Eastern) Military Districts, with which it will, importantly, be on a par. The creation of the new command was ordered by Russian President Vladimir Putin on 24 November. The Northern Fleet will be absorbed in its entirety into the command, together with substantial elements of the 1st Air Force and Air Defence Command.
The share of modern weapons should reach 32% and 33% in the Army and the Air Force, correspondingly, 40% in the Airborne Troops and over 50% in the Navy and the Aerospace Defense Forces
SOCHI, May 12. /TASS/. A priority task for Russia is to keep pace of its Armed Forces modernization, President Vladimir Putin said at a meeting on the development of the defense sector on Tuesday.
"In general, proper fulfillment of my instructions given to the Defense Ministry and specialized departments of the defense and industrial sector has resulted in the build-up of the pace of the army and navy rearmament," Putin said.
"Now the priority task is to keep this pace, promptly resolving the issues referred to joint competences and strictly fulfilling the confirmed schedules and deadlines of deliveries," the Russian president said.
The Russian Armed Forces should reach the planned parameters of their rearmament with modern weaponry by the end of summer, Putin said.
"Their share [of modern weapons] should reach 32% and 33% in the Army and the Air Force, correspondingly, 40% in the Airborne Troops and over 50% in the Navy and the Aerospace Defense Forces," the Russian president said.
Russian air defense systems in demand on global arms market
According to Putin, certain success has been achieved over two years of the armed force development and the discussion of the state defense order fulfilment progress with the military commanders and representatives of the defense industry enterprises. "Optimization of the Russian army’s structure and composition, as well as the weapons systems was launched last year," Putin said. "We have been working on several spheres making progress in each."
According to the president, the newly created modified samples of weapons, military and special equipment will reduce the number of their types. "This means cost cutting for the whole rearmament program," Putin said. "This will also help us cut the costs not only for the maintenance, but also production, and implementation of the concept for the development of the Armed Forces’ automated command and control system will make it possible on a phased basis to improve troops’ control efficiency."
The Russian leader said that this system is designed for the period until 2020.
State defense contract targets are being met
According to the president, practically all of state defense contract targets are being met as expected and the work is rhythmical.
"Practically all state defense contracts are being implemented as expected," Putin said at a conference reviewing progress in the development of the defence-industrial complex. On April 17, the unified military products acceptance day, we were able to see that this work is rhythmical and there is nothing like year-end ‘all hands’ job’," Putin said.
Putin cited statistics indicating that in January-April 2015 the manufacturers had already delivered more than one-third of the expected number of planes and helicopters, drones and air defense systems. Russia’s armour and artillery were being upgraded actively. The Russian armed forces was receiving advanced strategic missile complexes, surface ships and submarines.
Russian Northern Fleet-based troops enhance Arctic security
Vladimir Putin also noted that the body of troops based on the Northern Fleet has enhanced security in the Arctic.
"The formation of the Northern Fleet Strategic Command has enhanced security in the Arctic, promoting modernization of military infrastructure in this region important for Russia," the president said.
The Arctic Joint Strategic Command was launched on December 1, 2014. It was formed on the basis of the Northern Fleet. A Russian Defence Ministry source told TASS previously that a self-sufficient troops group would be formed in the region by 2018. It will comprise, in particular, an air force and antiaircraft defence army the creation of which was announced by Chief of the Russian General Staff Valery Gerasimov. In addition, two separate motorised infantry brigades are being formed. The new command, based on the Northern Fleet and headquartered at Severomorsk, will acquire military, naval surface and strategic nuclear subsurface, air force and aerospace defence units, assets, and bases transferred from Russia's Western, Central, and Southern (but not Eastern) Military Districts, with which it will, importantly, be on a par. The creation of the new command was ordered by Russian President Vladimir Putin on 24 November. The Northern Fleet will be absorbed in its entirety into the command, together with substantial elements of the 1st Air Force and Air Defence Command.
Zhukov-Patton- Posts : 13
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Re: Russian Military Reform
Rapidly becoming the finest land force on the planet. US was never very good at keeping the best army let alone modern. No surprise for me anyway that the Russians are back.
franco- Posts : 7054
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Re: Russian Military Reform
The new Training Center that the Germans had been building in Mulino has opened for business without their help.
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franco- Posts : 7054
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bmpd reporting the creation soon of the 1st Tank Army to go with the other planned changes to the Western Command and the 20th Army.
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1324525.html
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1324525.html