Syrian Civil War: News #7

franco wrote:Various twitter accounts giving 180 government forces lost versus 450 IS fighters killed at Palmyra.  

180 is rly alot considering small numbers SAA has on its disposal and that fighting lasted some 72h...

Militarov wrote:

franco wrote:Various twitter accounts giving 180 government forces lost versus 450 IS fighters killed at Palmyra.  

180 is rly alot considering small numbers SAA has on its disposal and that fighting lasted some 72h...

Believe it covers the past 3 weeks.

much better SAA, good show.

first of all well done to the SAA etc etc, and the RuAF, for the liberation of Palmyra,

now with the battle to liberate Qaryatayn under way, what direction do you think they will go after this? head towards Deir ez Zoir???? or clear the area south of Qaryatayn and Palmyra all the way to Iraqi border? or maybe deir hafer and al bab???, or maybe they will split forces and take 70% of the force towards Deir ez zoir, and 30% to clear the areas to the south, lets see what views people have.

d_taddei2 wrote:first of all well done to the SAA etc etc, and the RuAF, for the liberation of Palmyra,

now with the battle to liberate Qaryatayn under way, what direction do you think they will go after this? head towards Deir ez Zoir???? or clear the area south of Qaryatayn and Palmyra all the way to Iraqi border? or maybe deir hafer and al bab???, or maybe they will split forces and take 70% of the force towards Deir ez zoir, and 30% to clear the areas to the south, lets see what views people have.

they should clear the north of syria as soon as possible ,because those are the zones
where US and its gulf allies have been in discussion to create a "SAfe zone", to partition Syria
,also the north are the only place were Turkey can invade.

Militarov wrote:

franco wrote:Various twitter accounts giving 180 government forces lost versus 450 IS fighters killed at Palmyra.  

180 is rly alot considering small numbers SAA has on its disposal and that fighting lasted some 72h...

Don't forget that Syrian paramilitaries were involved. NDF guys tend to get high casualties

Really good article from Russia insider.

The strategic aviation TU-22M3 has anyway carried out its sorties from its bases in Russia, and now, they say, there is a shortage of targets worthy of wasting a smart bomb a one million dollars’ price tag on. The smuggled oil convoy bombing is over, as well. There is still a lot of oil being illegally carried from Iraqi Kurdistan and from Daesh oil wells, but some sizeable part of this oil traffic is being used by the Syrians to produce electricity and draw water. Bombing it was fun (perhaps), but the Syrians asked to desist.

Why was the declaration of withdrawal made? It was a pointed reminder to President Assad that he has not got all the time in the world at his disposal to make peace with his adversaries. Russians became frustrated by his generals’ delaying tactics. It appears that Syrian top brass had made a totally wrong conclusion, namely, that the Russians will keep fighting for the Syrians until Bashar Assad regains full control over the whole country. This is not so: the Russians are eager to see real progress in negotiations.

“Bashar Assad is flexible, but his generals are not. They think there are just two possible outcomes: victory or defeat. This is not realistic. The generals will get the message as we withdraw” – I was told by a Russian officer stationed in Latakia.

The declaration of withdrawal had been pointedly made in the first day of a new round of Geneva negotiations. It was a tangible proof that Russia did not seek a military victory, but relied upon diplomatic means. The declaration sends more signals to all parties. Turkey would think twice before invading Syria while Russians are supposedly leaving. The Europeans will not accuse that Russia’s bombs are sending new waves of refugees to its shores. The withdrawal is a signal to Iran, too, as this country withdrew the bulk of its forces in Syria and did not agree to the Russian proposal to cut oil production.

Russians do not want to carry the brunt of war on their shoulders. This is what they say to Iranians, and even more so – to Bashar Assad and his people. At private events, the Syrian generals were congratulating each other how smartly they tricked the Russians into fighting for them. The Syrian army shirks the battle, say the Russian officers in Syria, they wait for the Russians to pull the hot potatoes for them. Syrian officers do not heed Russian advisers’ instructions, they do not want to charge into the heat of battle. Sometimes they run away at the slightest enemy threat. Russian advisers were forced to engage the Daesh fighters personally, instead of doing their job, that is to operate advanced military hardware.

The Russians are upset that the Syrians did not pull their weight when it comes to negotiations with the armed opposition groups. The negotiations go in two tracks: one, remote and internationalised, in Geneva, where the Syrian government talks with the groups of emigres through the medium of Staffan de Mistura. Both sides are stalling; and anyway it is not clear how much influence on the ground these emigres have. The second, and more promising track is local. These are negotiations with local armed groups, and there are hundreds of them. More and more of them enter the ceasefire, but each arrangement calls for a compromise, for special conditions and some give-and-take. Until the withdrawal declaration, the Syrian officials weren’t keen on doing this hard work. Why should we bother, when we can defeat them all with Russian help, they said. Now, perhaps, they will put more effort into local negotiations.

The Russians say the Syrian government should do some soul-searching regarding the causes of the civil war. Sure, Saudis and Turks and the US are guilty to a great extent, but there were local contributing factors: clannishness, a heavy-handed security apparatus, the sore lack of elementary democratic arrangements. This has to be changed, and as soon as possible. Syria will never go back to its pre-civil-war form of one family rule, and Assad people should internalise this message as soon as possible. Russian withdrawal declaration should keep them focused.

This does not mean that Russia is likely to agree with the opposition demand of getting rid of Assad. Nothing of this sort. Stiff-necked he surely is, but more pliable man would not survive five years of war. Russian – Syrian cooperation continues unabated, Russians heavily bombed the Palmyra area, and Syrian troops advanced into its old quarries. Conquest (or liberation?) of Palmyra will be a visible achievement for the Syrian army and a gift for Syrian Christians for the coming Easter, as this oldest Christian community in the world had lost over half a million of its members in dead, wounded and destitute refugees.


The situation has been complicated by pro-American Kurds in Syria who had declared their ‘autonomy’. Russians did not like it as it does not agree with the Russian vision of united Syria. For the Turks, creation of autonomous or independent Kurdistan in Syria is a casus belli, a good reason for war. This is likely to provoke Turkish intervention, when things are complicated enough. Turkey went through a bout of a civil war of its own, on its own territory, versus the Kurds. Some sources say as many as 20,000 persons were killed in the war. Independent Syrian Kurdistan will inflame Turkish Kurds, say the Turks.

Russia does not support the Kurdish rising, despite its long historic ties with some Kurd movements. Apparently Russians should be able to make peace with Turkey, and the Turks are willing: they were first to send their condolences at Russian Vorkuta coal mine disaster. Turks are going through reassessment of their Syrian policies, and Turkish newspapers and politicians have been calling for U-turn: for recognition of Syrian territorial integrity and for reconciliation with Russia. I called for reconciliation with Turkey in the Russian media (here it is in English translation), but the responses were muted. The Russian policy-makers weren’t rushing forward. Russia’s strong Armenian lobby pushed for rejection of Turkish overtures for reconciliation, and traditional Russian sentiments from the Tsar days were also rather hostile to Ankara. However, some changes appeared in the rejection wall, and one can hope the bridges between Russia and its great neighbour will soon be mended.

Iranians did not wait for it, but began their peace offensive versus Turkey. They proposed to sort their differences out and to return to the good relations they had before the Syrian misadventure. At the same time, the Iranians withdrew the bulk of their troops from Syria, as they suffered a lot of casualties in the fighting. They continued to finance Syria and arm Hezbollah, the Lebanese Shia militia, a small but able military force.

The enemies of a Syrian settlement are still active. The Saudis had spent over 90 billion dollars on the Syrian civil war and regime change. This is a considerable sum even for the super-rich kingdom. But they are still throwing good money after bad. Encouraged by the Russian declaration, they began to transfer money and equipment to the armed opposition.

The US also keeps trying to turn the tables in its favour, but it seems that the White House is less hostile to Russia than it was half a year ago. European politicians and statesmen in power are mainly pro-American and anti-Russian; even the horrible terror attack in Brussels caused the Latvian Foreign Minister to call for sending more NATO troops to its Russian border (?!). Still, one can notice small signs for change, as Russian economy improves, its rouble is going up versus the dollar and euro, and the Europeans suffer from the loss of Russian orders.

Israel is another enemy-friend, or a “partner”, in Putin’s words. Israel hopes to split Syria into a few mini-states, or at least to ‘federalise’ it, like the Americans. Israel has a good working relations with the radical Islamists of Syria; not a single Israeli or Jewish asset has been targeted by Daesh or Nusra groups who are stationed right by Israeli border, protected by Israeli cannons. At the same time, Israel has good relations with Russia. President Putin is quite soft towards Israel; admittedly not on the level of US presidential candidates, but then, Russia has no AIPAC of its own. (The official Russian Jewish community is an empty shell of Chabad emissaries who amass their fortunes and extol Putin.)

Israeli president Rivlin has visited Moscow last week, after the declaration of withdrawal. He told Putin that Israel regrets Russians are leaving for they were a stabilising factor in Syria. Putin smiled and said they are not going far. Rivlin was worried Russian departure will create a vacuum allowing Hezbollah (he had enough tact to avoid mentioning Bashar Assad) to take positions at Israeli border. – Hezbollah will leave for Lebanon when Syria is at peace, Putin comforted him.

This is a small comfort for Israel, as right now the Jewish state loudly discusses launching a “pre-emptive” strike against Hezbollah in Lebanon. The best friend of the Jews in the Middle East, Saudi Arabia and its Gulf allies declared Hezbollah “a terrorist group”, and withdrew four billion dollars of aid they previously promised to Lebanon. Having Saudi support on their side and Lebanese displeasure at losing money on the background, Israelis plan an attack on the indomitable Shia warriors.

They did it in 2006 and were beaten off; the Jewish dream of revenge matured into obsessive hatred in these ten years. Israeli army received and spent many billions of dollars just for this purpose (they called it “learning the lessons of 2006”). Now they have learned that Hezbollah had lost 1300 fighters in Syria: a huge number for a small fighting force, and their desire to kill the rest off became irresistible.

Last week, the leader of Hezbollah, Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah warned the Israelis they will pay a horrible price if they dare to attack. His missiles, he said, will pour on Israeli doomsday factories, on its stockpiles of nuclear, biological and chemical weapons as well as on their oil and gas installations in Haifa Bay. Such an attack can kill millions, he said, so better don’t you start the war.

This is a sensible proposition given by a sensible man adhering to the hedgehog strategy: do not touch him and he will not bother you. But Israelis have a different mentality. The Jewish State is quite similar to the Islamic State. They trust only weakness and defeat, and aren’t satisfied until their enemy submitted to their mercy, and probably not even then, as the fate of Palestinians proves. It would be good if Syrian crisis is settled soon: now Lebanon is full of the Syrian refugees to the brim, and in case of Israeli attack on Lebanon, they all will have to run somewhere, preferably to Syria.

One can only hope the Russian presence will have a cooling effect, not only on Islamic jihadis, but on the Jewish ones, as well. And Russians had learned something from the Jews who used to say: an Englishman leaves without saying farewell, a Jew says his farewells but does not leave. Now it is the Russian turn: they bid farewell, but remain in Syria.

Link to the antizionist source Russia insider http://russia-insider.com/en/russias-syria-drawdown-message-its-generals/ri13591

franco wrote:Various twitter accounts giving 180 government forces lost versus 450 IS fighters killed at Palmyra.  

That's just a BS number that (SOHR) Rami pulled from the deepest end of his fecal orifice and, for some reason, folks are quoting it like gospel truth.
Nobody knows the exact number at this point. could be more, could be less. But what's not in dispute here is that ISIS got their ass whooped majorly.

Rat Hunt

Syrians (like their Russian counterparts, in general) are not at all concerned about the PR side and only bothered about their job at hand which is to liberate the Syrian territory from internationally funded & supported terrorists...just think how great it would have looks to have a large Syrian tri-color fluttering from the top of the Palmyra castle? It would have looked absolutely stunning from the ground and from the air.
Here is a smaller version from a SAA unit.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IICmoAj-fIc

"On Sunday afternoon in the Greater Damascus area, the Syrian Al-Qaeda group “Jabhat Al-Nusra” and their allies launched a large-scale attack on the Syrian Arab Army’s defenses at the town of Harasta after failing to recapture the Marj Al-Sultan Military Airport. However, once again, Jabhat Al-Nusra failed to advance, despite surprising the Syrian Arab Army with a powerful assault near the Homs-Damascus Highway. Following Jabhat Al-Nusra’s subsequent retreat, the Syrian Arab Army’s 105th Brigade of the Republican Guard unearthed a massive tunnel that was used by the rebel fighters to launch their assault. According to an Al-Masdar field correspondent in Damascus, the rebel tunnel was 200 meters long, 15 meters deep and 2 meters high; it was also reportedly used as an operations room for Jabhat Al-Nusra."


Source: https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-unearths-massive-tunnel-harasta-repelling-nusra/ | Al-Masdar News

Chilling out after their hard won victory, not surprisingly there is Russian presence.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1mUx-eogxY
http://www.me-channel.com/

Solncepek wrote:

Haha at Balkan ledge dance..Librazhd ,Epirus 1111!

arpakola wrote:Really good article from Russia insider.

Not it's not. It's a terrible article from unz.com, authored by I. Shamir and with most of its points proven already invalid by the news/facts.
Very pro-Turkish as well.

noteworthy gems of sub-trash level:

"Some sources say as many as 20,000 persons were killed in the war. Independent Syrian Kurdistan will inflame Turkish Kurds, say the Turks."

"Russia does not support the Kurdish rising, despite its long historic ties with some Kurd movements."

"...one can hope the bridges between Russia and its great neighbour (Turkey) will soon be mended"

"The Jewish State is quite similar to the Islamic State. They trust only weakness and defeat, and aren’t satisfied until their enemy submitted to their mercy"

KiloGolf wrote:

arpakola wrote:Really good article from Russia insider.

Not it's not.

+1

"The Jewish State is quite similar to the Islamic State. They trust only weakness and defeat, and aren’t satisfied until their enemy submitted to their mercy"

Have to agree on this one and the reason why Islamic state and its sponsors are a non-issue for these guys. Both are religious maniacs with very little concern for other human beings who are not Jews/Islamist.

franco wrote:

Militarov wrote:

franco wrote:Various twitter accounts giving 180 government forces lost versus 450 IS fighters killed at Palmyra.  

180 is rly alot considering small numbers SAA has on its disposal and that fighting lasted some 72h...

Believe it covers the past 3 weeks.

450 on the ISIS side is the number peddled by the Britshit SOHR and its getting repeated by all...
180 on SAA side is high causality, no doubt and hope this number is for the entire ops. SAA took the most difficult and hence the lease expected flanks for advancing on the city like we saw with western side.

The western sector was protected by the hills which gave the city a natural protection from the attackers but once on top the city was fully under its watch. SAA chose that route and if we remember, there was nearly 83 causality during that single advance lasting 2-3days. I had posted that tweet/info earlier in this thread.
Other was the south western advance.....SAA rightly choose to go for the big hills so that from there on it was advance with the advantage of the higher hills...after taking point 900, other like 800, 700 etc fell along.

d_taddei2 wrote:first of all well done to the SAA etc etc, and the RuAF, for the liberation of Palmyra,

now with the battle to liberate Qaryatayn under way, what direction do you think they will go after this? head towards Deir ez Zoir???? or clear the area south of Qaryatayn and Palmyra all the way to Iraqi border? or maybe deir hafer and al bab???, or maybe they will split forces and take 70% of the force towards Deir ez zoir, and 30% to clear the areas to the south, lets see what views people have.

1. Some of the force have been returned to Latakia to prepare invasion of Idib (Marines and Desert Hawks)
2. Small force to clean up southern Homs (brigade+)
3. Half the force to continue advance to Sukhnah (brigade and Tigers)
4. Rest to clean up large IS presence on Homs / Hama border

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Syrian_Civil_War_detailed_map

450 on the ISIS side is the number peddled by the Britshit SOHR and its getting repeated by all...

Coming from Syrian sources but imagine it is body count in and around city. Air got a lot coming and going plus TOS wouldn't leave much evidence to count

Some official numbers

20-23 mar



25 mar



26 mar



ISIS lost about 2500-3000 fighters in and around Palmyra.

Congratulations to everybody involved in the liberation of Palmyra. Basically they did humanity a great favour.
People should not forget those that gave their lives for it to be possible and specially and the russian servicemen that died heroically then to be captured by those animals. May God grant him and all the others kingdom of heaven.
Hopefully this will mean the end for ISIS.

https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/714692009051693058

Could somebody please tell me what happened to Suheil Al Hassan It's clearly not the same guy..

Khm... any clues?

Militarov wrote:

Khm... any clues?

Japanese ninja mercenaries, Kikkoman detachment?