Syrian Civil War: News #7

JohninMK wrote:

Visc wrote:

Two questions if I may:

1) Why are there two separate threads for Syrian war (one Syrian war news and the other Russian military involvement and aid to Syria), why not keep it all together, since both are very related to eachother it is easier to keep them updated and we would have everything in one place instead?

2) Why is this thread named "Syrian Civil War"? In reality, this conflict is everything but a civil war. "Conflict in Syria", "War in Syria" or something along those lines would be much closer to reality in my opinion. We are not Wikipedia

Thanks.

I didn't start the threads but it is a logical split

1. This is a Russian site so it makes sense to have their involvement split out for easy browsing

2. It was originally, before the import of thousands of foreigners, a civil war. It may not be as clear now but that was the root.

Also, you mentioned reality, so, on a more important note, if you really must comment on the poster that you have just commented on, please do not include his post as a quote as many on here have him on ignore and quoting him bypasses that. Thanks in anticipation.

1. In some cases specialization is neseccary if someone wants to find and read info only in russian intervention, otherwise all these info would be lost in a huge general thread

2. Yes it started as a civil war then foreign fighters-terrorists involved.

I would like to add also:

1. Russia's involvement isnt only by military means but with information, diplomatic support, weapons deliveries and has also consequences to other fields (like russia-turkish relations, russia's role in middle east) so all these together make the necessity of a separate thread

2. Civil war dimension i think still exists, for example recently we had government forces vs kurds. Or shunni groups (which come from syrian shunni population) vs syrian army

About Six Hundred Damascus Militants Join Syrian Ceasefire Arrangement

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160425/1038544239/syria-ceasefire-russia-damascus.html#ixzz46pkTwtkP

JohninMK wrote:
2. It was originally, before the import of thousands of foreigners, a civil war. It may not be as clear now but that was the root.

Also, you mentioned reality, so, on a more important note, if you really must comment on the poster that you have just commented on, please do not include his post as a quote as many on here have him on ignore and quoting him bypasses that. Thanks in anticipation.

The reality is that I know nothing about the poster, you or your ignore list, so you could've asked that in a more polite manner. No problems, I will avoid doing it.

George1 wrote:

2. Yes it started as a civil war then foreign fighters-terrorists involved.

I would like to add also:

2. Civil war dimension i think still exists, for example recently we had government forces vs kurds. Or shunni groups (which come from syrian shunni population) vs syrian army

I am well aware of the roots. I tend to stay updated on all important global events on daily basis, but when it comes to war in Syria, I have been paying special attention to it since the day one, as it is the most critical event of post-WW2 era. The war and the outcome of it will heavily affect the whole world.

Everything that happened in Syria was orchestrated by US/Israel/NATO and their puppet-allies neighbouring Syria. The war was planned years before it started. The plan included the initial protests that were funded from abroad and organized/led by foreign agents and agencies that infiltrated the country. The backbone of these protests were local criminals, home-grown terrorists and sell-outs from various branches of Syrian society/state. There was very few regular citizens (who were unfortunately misled into believing these protests have something to do with their well being) who legitimately went out to protest because they wanted better life conditions. Those who have didn't want any sort of armed conflict whatsoever. The reforms that the Syrian government made right away to try and calm things down were ignored because that was obviously not what this was all about.
Syrian police was attacked regularly and when they strike back, Western mass media would say that Assad tyrant regime is using force against his own people who are peacefully protesting.
To further heat things up for the next stage, unknown shooters fired on both the protesters and security forces killing some people and giving green light for weapons that were smuggled in advance to be brought out and armed insurgency to commence. All of this was falsely covered by the Western mass media which carefully shaped the public opinion about these events, making it look like the decades old tyrant "regime" used force on peaceful protesters who then turned to weapons after they ran out of options.
Then, criminal militant groups openly attacked security forces, infrastructure, military checkpoints and storages, prisons, hospitals, media buildings and other strategic points (they also knew where radar and anti-aircraft installations are located and targetted that too ). Meanwhile, sectarianism and hate was heavily promoted by massacres and various atrocities committed by these criminals and home-grown terrorist sleeper cells, bodies were dumped into rivers, villages attacked, people executed... Sell-outs started defecting from the army and government when the time was right, bomb attacks and assassinations of military officials and important figures began and when Syrian state apparatus was weakened they sent in the foreign Jihadist terrorists. Villages, cities, army bases and airports started falling and the full blown war began. Iranians got involved, Russians got involved. Heck, the capital Damascus itself almost fell in the early stage, but the attack was stopped by IRGC which was deployed after everyone realized what is going on and how serious the situation is.

Syria is not the first target i.e. victim of this coup d'etat, divide and conquer strategy and for that reason I would respectfully disagree that it should be called a civil war - that's simply what the plotters labelled it because it suits them. In reality, this is War ON Syria.

Visc wrote:

JohninMK wrote:
2. It was originally, before the import of thousands of foreigners, a civil war. It may not be as clear now but that was the root.

Also, you mentioned reality, so, on a more important note, if you really must comment on the poster that you have just commented on, please do not include his post as a quote as many on here have him on ignore and quoting him bypasses that. Thanks in anticipation.

The reality is that I know nothing about the poster, you or your ignore list, so you could've asked that in a more polite manner. No problems, I will avoid doing it.

Sorry, didn't mean to come across as impolite. It was just that as you have been here for many months and you are clearly versed in and concerned about Syrian affairs, I thought that you would have been watching this thread and therefore read the prior comments on this poster. Thanks for joining in.

As to the thread title, I suspect that you will just have to live with it. Good comments by the way.

Does anyone know how long will be the peace talks? I honestly don't see any point in it.

Opposition: Assad must go.

Assad: I will not go.

Opposition: Assad must go.

Assad: I will not go.

Opposition: Assad must go.

Assad: I will not go.

Opposition: Assad must go.

Assad: I will not go.

In the quantum world, a person can be alive and dead at the same time. Not in the macro world.

Casualty from terrorist bombardment on government held part of Aleppo has risen to 19 killed and at least 135 injured. This ceasefire is the most ridiculous. Terrorists are allowed to bomb civilians while SAA and co are not allowed to attack American backed terrorists such as Nusra, all because Russia is too scaredy cat to confront America.

^^^^ A good summation, imo. It squares with my understanding of the events.

"Foreign-engineered civil war" might be a way to put it.

US is sending more troops to Syria, this is dangerous.


https://southfront.org/international-military-review-syria-april-25-2016/

ultron wrote:Casualty from terrorist bombardment on government held part of Aleppo has risen to 19 killed and at least 135 injured. This ceasefire is the most ridiculous. Terrorists are allowed to bomb civilians while SAA and co are not allowed to attack American backed terrorists such as Nusra, all because Russia is too scaredy cat to confront America.

This was predictable. The terrorists will use this "ceasefire" as a cover to form a series of suicide bombings in the government held/Alawite areas.

The Syrian government should be a lot more brutal in their fights against this scum.

par far wrote:US is sending more troops to Syria, this is dangerous.


https://southfront.org/international-military-review-syria-april-25-2016/

Not really...

Don't know how reliable this source is. If it is BS please let me know.

SouthFront: Over 100 Islamist insurgents killed in Aleppo city clashes yesterday

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/southfront-100-islamist-insurgents-killed-aleppo-city-clashes-yesterday/ | Al-Masdar News

Tiger Forces approaching oil rich town in east Palmyra

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/tiger-forces-approaching-oil-rich-town-east-palmyra/ | Al-Masdar News

Russian air traffic doubles as Humaymim Airbase sees large increase in activity

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russian-air-traffic-humaymim-airbase-rapidly-increases/ | Al-Masdar News

PapaDragon wrote:
Don't know how reliable this source is. If it is BS please let me know.

SouthFront: Over 100 Islamist insurgents killed in Aleppo city clashes yesterday

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/southfront-100-islamist-insurgents-killed-aleppo-city-clashes-yesterday/ | Al-Masdar News

Tiger Forces approaching oil rich town in east Palmyra

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/tiger-forces-approaching-oil-rich-town-east-palmyra/ | Al-Masdar News

Russian air traffic doubles as Humaymim Airbase sees large increase in activity

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russian-air-traffic-humaymim-airbase-rapidly-increases/ | Al-Masdar News

Good news, if true!

PapaDragon wrote:
Don't know how reliable this source is. If it is BS please let me know.

SouthFront: Over 100 Islamist insurgents killed in Aleppo city clashes yesterday

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/southfront-100-islamist-insurgents-killed-aleppo-city-clashes-yesterday/ | Al-Masdar News

Tiger Forces approaching oil rich town in east Palmyra

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/tiger-forces-approaching-oil-rich-town-east-palmyra/ | Al-Masdar News

Russian air traffic doubles as Humaymim Airbase sees large increase in activity

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russian-air-traffic-humaymim-airbase-rapidly-increases/ | Al-Masdar News

Al-Masdar News is a reliable pro-government source founded and ran by independent Syrian/Lebanese guy. Decent analysis and up-to-date information, often from civilian and military sources on the ground in Syria. Over years the articles published there were proven to be unbiased and correct in 95% of cases.

OTR-21 that hit Al Atarib city last night:

al-Sham front in Aleppo using fairly rare Croatian built RAK-12 MLRS, which is derived from Yugoslavian Plamen MLRS:

Militarov wrote:OTR-21 that hit Al Atarib city last night:

Pity we don't have payload delivery video. For others, like me, who hadn't a clue what an OTR-21 is (knew what a Tochka is)

The OTR-21A/-21B (SS-21) Tochka is a battlefield short-range, road-mobile, solid propellant, single warhead ballistic missile designed for tactical deployment.

"The Syrian government and its allies are convinced that they can beat al-Qaeda and its various associates on the battle field. They are preparing a large attack against al-Qaeda and anyone nearby. There is little the U.S. can do to help the designated terrorists of al-Nusra in west Syria. But it continues its attempts to split Syria by inserting more of its special forces into north east Syria. These and their Kurdish proxy fighters have the task to take as much of eastern Syria from the Islamic State and others as possible before the Syrian government forces can do so. The thinking is that any captured town will be an asset in future negotiations. It will be interesting to see how the Syrian government and its allies will counter that move".


https://southfront.org/russia-rejects-kerrys-new-attempts-to-shield-the-terrorists-in-syria/

SYRIA: INTENSE FIGHTING ERUPTS IN ALEPPO CITY OVERNIGHT


https://southfront.org/intense-fighting-erupts-in-aleppo-city-overnight/

INTERNATIONAL MILITARY REVIEW – SYRIA & IRAQ, APRIL 26, 2016



https://southfront.org/international-military-review-syria-iraq-april-26-2016/

SYRIAN & RUSSIAN WARPLANES POUND TERRORISTS IN ALEPPO PROVINCE


https://southfront.org/syrian-russian-warplanes-pound-terrorists-in-aleppo-province/

Russia won't deliver S-300 missile system to Syria


Russia does not plan to deliver the S-300 air defense missile systems to Syria, head of the Russian Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation Alexander Fomin told reporters on Tuesday.

"There are no such plans as of today," he said, answering a question whether the possibility of supplying these weapons systems to Syria was negotiated.
In 2014, the Syrian government turned to Moscow with a request to supply the S-300 air defense missile systems to Syria due "to a possible US attack" on the country

Rebels suffered another defeat in the Azaz pocket (N Aleppo). ISIS took 5 more villages.



The US is also deploying HIMARS to Turkey. So, Aleppo, Al Raqqah, and for shits, Hmeimim AB, can all be hit without crossing the Turkey/Syria border.

Zivo wrote:Rebels suffered another defeat in the Azaz pocket (N Aleppo). ISIS took 5 more villages.



The US is also deploying HIMARS to Turkey. So, Aleppo, Al Raqqah, and for shits, Hmeimim AB, can all be hit without crossing the Turkey/Syria border.

...And they can be hit with Iskander-M so.....

magnumcromagnon wrote:

...And they can be hit with Iskander-M so.....

Correct. But also Toshka too.. Iskander is over kill to target terrorist , that missile is too expensive for being wasted like that. Iskander is more ideal to Target NATO patriot defenses or target Turkey military bases.

Himars only use GPS guidance have an horrible record in afganistan with precision ,and can be jammed and they also can be shutdown by Pantsirs and Buks defenses.

interesting new video of LAtakia battles. by RT

It is better for Islamic State to take over the Nusra / Ahrar territory. Nusra / Ahrar are American / Turkish assets used to kill Russians and Russia does not dare to confront America. BUT, if IS takes them over, then Russia will have carte blanche to bomb those places real good.