Udaloy and Sovremennyy destroyers

Israel makes a lot of claims, but generally you'd have to be retarded to lose a Tor system.

If Pantsir is installed it will be in place of two (or all four?) AK-630´s, like on Adm. Chabanenko.

The current model would need guidance radars = larger refit program.

There was a commercial add showing UKSK instead of the gun and instead of the inclined launchers. wrote:

They already striped down that elevated part so this won't be done.

Hole wrote:

Pantsir and Kinzahl should be good enough. There´s a new missile for Pantsir with a range of 35 - 40 km. And the developer was talking about a newer version with hypersonic speed an a range of 60 or even 80 km.

hoom wrote:
This, its an ad displaying launcher options for Klub/Kalibr rather than a specific upgrade proposal.

It's either Pantsyr or Kinzhal. Having both are rather redundant and share same weaknesses namely the limited target channel. There is a risk of inability to handle saturation strike delivered by enemy. This require bit of range and some autonomy which where either Redut or Shtil comes in handy.

The latest Shtil atm is using the active radar homing 9M317A. This is rather should be the weapon of choice to complement the Kinzhal or Pantsyr.

hoom wrote:
This, its an ad displaying launcher options for Klub/Kalibr rather than a specific upgrade proposal.

In front UKSK VLS for 8 Kaliber/Klub after near the bridge i don't think SS-N-14 and don't exist canisters for Kaliber/Klub so what missile possible ?

hoom wrote:Severomorsk continues its diplomacy tour, now doing anti-piracy manoeuvres with a Japanese ship in Gulf of Aden http://charly015.blogspot.com/2018/11/rusos-y-japoneses-de-maniobras-en-el.html

PapaDragon wrote:

hoom wrote:Severomorsk continues its diplomacy tour, now doing anti-piracy manoeuvres with a Japanese ship in Gulf of Aden http://charly015.blogspot.com/2018/11/rusos-y-japoneses-de-maniobras-en-el.html

This piracy/diplomacy stuff is precisely why Navy need those cheap and cool Bykov-class offshore patrol vessels, it's stupid to waste destroyers on this trivial crap


ALSO:

I've been thinking, is it possible to install Kinzhal missiles in place for those Silex launches under the bridge on Udalois?

They are smaller than Silex so they could maybe fit more than 8 and though they would loose a lot of range it would be enough to get the job done. Even with 50% loss it still leaves 1000km range.

verkhoturye51 wrote:Replace anti-submarine missile system Metel (Silex) with ballistic missile Kinzhal (or navalised Tor, which is also called Kinzhal)? Am I missing something?