Udaloy and Sovremennyy destroyers

he future surface fleet should be based around the larger Pr. 22350M - which is practically a destroyer. The first should be laid down this year and currently there are 12 planned. More should be built. wrote:

And again we come to the same problem. Russian military shipyards are very poorly efficient and there are problems with cooperators. It is going very slowly. The construction of nuclear submarines is a different matter, where the degree of complexity and advancement is incomparable. A nuclear submarine is one of the most complex and advanced devices that humans has created. But the submarine fleet has always been a priority and Russia, even after the fall of the USSR, maintained a very large potential in this field.

No matter how shocking it may sound, but the fact is that both Bulava program and naval shipbuilding was affected by that. Bulavas tended to expload, because rubber sealings were not matching the standards. wrote:

The Bulava is a very interesting story. The SLBM was created by the MIT design office, which had no experience in building SLBMs. In addition, the USSR/Russia generally had little experience in solid-fuel SLBMs. There were huge R-39s weighing 80 tons, but of course the components were manufactured in Ukraine. They made Bulava very quickly and came up with a state-of-the-art SLBM. This is actually amazing because the technologies for creating ICBMs and SLBMs are very different from each other. In addition, the engine phase was significantly reduced and the flight trajectory was flat, the launch interval was fast, etc. Although some experts from Makeyev probably helped. In general, it was good for them that the R-39 modernization did not work out. Why would they need an almost 90-ton colossus on a submarine? The only drawback is the small payload, although it is enough for 6 light MIRVs plus decoys. The missile itself is very compact. In the times of disarmament treaties, this did not matter. Now that START is dead, something bigger would be useful. Supposedly, 955A can in the future take a larger SLBM missile, easily up to 50 tons, and some further modifications of the excellent Bulava could be heavier.
The most interesting thing is that Makeyev is now creating the most powerful ICBM in the world.

Russian ones are old and rusty. It would be useless to upgrade them. Gorshkovs are much better designed anyway.

Problems with propulsion wont just go away, so it does not make sense to upgrade them when the same shipyard space can be used to build other types.

Project 22350 the best If only Gorshkovs had been built faster. Almost 20 years have passed since the laying of the first unit and only the fourth unit is going on trials.

Lets ignore all the development issues they have had to deal with, from getting the guns to work and the air defence missiles working too, not to mention developing their own gas turbines and gearbox/transmissions... and for the most part a lack of urgent need to build a navy really as for most of those 20 years most Russian trade with the rest of the world went through the west or via western shipping and insurance...

But yeah Russian shipbuilding should be taken up a notch to get more large surface ships into the water - like yesterday.

Trying to upgrade the shipbuilding yards while at the same time loading them up with lots of other work makes progress slow.... a bit like an old windows computer running too many programmes at once... slowing them all down and then complaining about it on the interweb to people who have nothing to do with it and demanding answers right now...

The future surface fleet should be based around the larger Pr. 22350M - which is practically a destroyer. The first should be laid down this year and currently there are 12 planned. More should be built.

They will certainly want to test them to see if they are any great advantage over the original and if the extra costs are worth it, but they have started making helicopter carriers in the 40K ton class and the talk of future CVNs suggests they will need real destroyers and real cruisers to operate with those ships whereever they operate around the world. They have a range of nuclear power plants that are compact and powerful and rather efficient which would make new destroyers and new cruisers rather powerful without being too big and too expensive...

I am sure these shipyards would be very useful for Russia, even if they would need to invest a lot of money to rebuild them (as they have been rebuilt before after the original Nazi occupied Novorussia).

I would say those shipyards could be rebuilt to build civilian ships and take the load off other Russian shipyards that can be upgraded and made rather more efficient.

Building more floating docks would allow more ships to be built too...

The construction of nuclear submarines is a different matter, where the degree of complexity and advancement is incomparable. A nuclear submarine is one of the most complex and advanced devices that humans has created. But the submarine fleet has always been a priority and Russia, even after the fall of the USSR, maintained a very large potential in this field

They never really stopped making submarines, and in comparison they have never made multirole corvettes before, let alone multirole frigates or destroyers. Their cruisers used to be multirole simply because their size allowed large radar and large sonar and helicopters and weapon types that allowed different target types to be engaged with sufficient weapons on board to defend itself and other ships around it.