Udaloy and Sovremennyy destroyers

2 sovremennyy destroyers written off, that leaves only 1 active

https://navy-korabel.livejournal.com/261343.html

Thats likely going to be delusional. Nothing of that sort is going to happen unless the $cums are flushed out and monoploy is broken.

People need to remember that almost every single new projects of the Russian navy, namely Pr.22350 and even the highly constrained Pr.20380/3/5 with 15 days endurance (that too for a navy with almost nil foreign base/friendly ports and hardly any fleet support/replenishment) has been monopolized by the most incompetent yard in Russia.

Isos wrote:Active is a big word. Good to get ride of them since it will oblige them to hurry up with Gorshkovs.

i agree. They can also proceed with udaloys modernization

Chabanenko, recent photo

Admiral Vinogradov modernisation is now underway.

08/25/2022
Novosti VPK

Destroyer "Admiral Ushakov" hit a mock enemy with a cruise missile in the Barents Sea




Novosti VPK, 24 August; As part of an exercise in the Northern Fleet with a grouping of diverse strike forces, the destroyer Admiral Ushakov practiced delivering a missile attack on a surface ship of a mock enemy.

The crew of the destroyer fired at a sea target with a Moskit cruise missile. The combat exercise was carried out in the area of ​​the Barents Sea, closed in advance to civil navigation.

The distance from the launch point to the target was up to 100 km. According to objective control data, the target was successfully hit.

Earlier, the crew of the destroyer "Admiral Ushakov" in cooperation with the heavy nuclear missile cruiser "Pyotr Veliky" worked out practical anti-aircraft missile and artillery missile targets as part of an air defense exercise for a detachment of ships at sea, the press service of the Northern Fleet reports.

https://vpk.name/news/625807_eskadrennyi_minonosec_admiral_ushakov_porazil_uslovnogo_protivnika_krylatoi_raketoi_v_barencevom_more.html

Pacific Fleet; Image of the large Project 1155 anti-submarine ship in dry dock.
It is not written in the description of the picture on the Russian military forum which ship is in question. Apparently it is "Admiral Vinogradov".

December 10, 01:05

Anti-submarine ship "Admiral Vinogradov" will become a frigate by 2025
He will receive increased strike capabilities compared to the BPK "Marshal Shaposhnikov"

MOSCOW, 10 December. /TASS/. The large anti-submarine ship (BPK) of project 1155 "Admiral Vinogradov" of the Pacific Fleet (Pacific Fleet), following the example of the similar BPK "Marshal Shaposhnikov", will become a frigate by 2025, having received increased strike capabilities compared to its predecessor. This was reported to TASS by two sources in the military-industrial complex.

“The frigate Admiral Vinogradov is expected to return to the fleet in 2024-2025, after modernization it will receive increased combat power compared to the Marshal Shaposhnikov,” one of them said.

It is known that the main shock complex of "Marshal Shaposhnikov" after the modernization was "Caliber-NK". Another TASS source did not rule out that in the event of an increase in the combat power of Admiral Vinogradov, we can talk not only about Caliber-NK, but also about the latest Zirkon hypersonic missiles.
According to one of the interlocutors of the agency, the line for the modernization of the project 1155 BPK into frigates - and there are five such ships in the Russian Navy now, not counting Marshal Shaposhnikov and Admiral Vinogradov - will be continued.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/16557851

Nice look at the new radar on top of the bridge

Upgrades of existing types would be an excellent opportunity to test new technology on upgraded ships... they can test EM compatibility with other upgraded systems as well as performance and reliability and other features.

This way when they are looking at brand new ship designs (destroyer and cruiser types) it is not all brand new and experimental and untested.

The core of the problems with the Ford and the Zumwalt were that so many things were new it is hard to trouble shoot because the system displaying the fault or not working properly might be because some other system isn't feeding it the necessary information and so the problem might be with a completely different system.... but when you fix that other system you might find that effects something else and that other system was changed to the faulty state to get a third system to work properly.

Not to mention millions of lines of software code to get it all to work together properly and most of it will be fully multirole so it all needs to be tested in different roles in different temperatures and different situations against different targets... the testing needs to be comprehensive just to make sure no parts are actually faulty to start with.

Testing them on other platforms first is a great way to isolate them and get them working and then the experience of trying to integrate them into other upgraded systems will be valuable because the upgraded systems should be similar to the new systems they will be working with in the new designs.

You also get to increase production of new systems which should help with reducing the costs and also getting the new ships into serial production when everything is all ready.

Udaloy are really nice ships. Excellent propulsion, nice size, fast, long ranged. If they can get good life out of them, it makes a lot of sense to do these major upgrades. Great looking ships as well. Somehow when a ship looks right it seems to work well.

Isos wrote:They designed the project 21956 as a follow on that is based on Udaloy design. But they went for missile boats and corvettes and the complicated Gorshkov design.

With some modifications it could have Tor launchers, 32 uksk, 4 phased aesa radar in an integrated mast.

That thing would become an obsolete waste of dock space the moment the first Lider class hits the water. It has absolutely no defense against ballistic or hypersonic missiles and an insufficient sumber of air defense missiles to operate outside of Russian waters.

The upgraded models are considered long endurance frigates so once there are actual destroyers and perhaps cruisers they wont be used for long range roles anyway.

It makes sense to upgrade them... upgrading on a regular basis is how you prevent ships from becoming obsolete and vulnerable... if the Moskva had been properly upgraded it would likely be still doing its job, and doing it well.


There is no substitute for bigger ships... more missiles and larger sensors make a real difference... but considering Russian Corvettes are better armed and equipped than most western destroyers then often anything is better than nothing.

The upgraded udaloys need redut VLS and the zaslon radar more than UKSKs.

But they went for missile boats and corvettes and the complicated Gorshkov design.

If the Gorskov design is complex as you claim then under what logical reason did the RU navy pursue this project instead of the less complicated project 21956

February 8, 2023 at 8:58 Subject: Navy
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Large anti-submarine ship "Admiral Levchenko" conducted exercises in the Barents Sea

The crew of the large anti-submarine ship (BPK) of the Northern Fleet "Admiral Levchenko", as part of the planned combat training tasks, carried out artillery and rocket firing in the Barents Sea at a surface target.

According to the press service of the Russian Defense Ministry, the crew of the ship worked out the conduct of a sea battle with a mock enemy and fired at the towed sea shield with the main caliber - the AK-100 artillery system.


BPK "Admiral Levchenko"
Central Naval Port, Ilya Kurganov

The crew also used the Kinzhal anti-aircraft missile system, which can be used against both air and high-speed surface targets.

During the combat exercise, the target was successfully hit, the military department stressed.
In addition, the BPK worked out interaction with Ka-27 shipborne helicopters, and the rocket and artillery warhead crews performed various types of artillery firing at visible and closed coastal targets located on the coast of the Rybachy Peninsula and simulating enemy firing points and command posts.

Then the crew of the "Admiral Levchenko" conducted an air defense exercise with firing from anti-aircraft missile systems and artillery at a simulated air target.

After completing the assigned tasks at sea, the ship returned to the main base.

"Admiral Levchenko" - a large anti-submarine ship of project 1155, has been in service since May 1989. With a total displacement of 7570 tons and a hull length of 163.5 meters, the Project 1155 BPK can reach speeds of up to 29.5 knots. Cruising range - up to 5,000 nautical miles at an economical speed of 18 knots, autonomy - 30 days. Crew - 220 people (including 29 officers). The ship is armed with eight launchers of the Kinzhal air defense system (64 missiles), two four-container launchers of Rastrub rocket-torpedo launchers, RBU-6000 rocket launchers, as well as AK-100 and AK-630M artillery mounts.

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February 17, 2023 at 9:26 Subject: Navy

Frigate "Marshal Shaposhnikov" intercepted "intruder ship" in the Sea of ​​Japan

The crew of the frigate "Marshal Shaposhnikov" destroyed a mock enemy ship during an exercise in the Sea of ​​Japan. This was reported on Friday, February 17, in the press service of the Pacific Fleet.
The military department clarified that, according to the legend of the exercise, military sailors received an introductory note, according to which the intruder ship headed for one of the bases of the main base of the Pacific Fleet. The forces of the radio-technical warhead of the frigate discovered a mock enemy, after which the "Marshal Shaposhnikov" set off at full speed to the area where the opponent's location was.


Launch of the Caliber cruise missile from the Marshal Shaposhnikov frigate
Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

The servicemen of the rocket and artillery warhead delivered a fire strike on a mock enemy from AK-630M and AK-190 artillery mounts. After a series of direct hits, the mock enemy ship was destroyed.

The press service noted that following the results of the exercises, the command rated the actions of the crew of the Marshal Shaposhnikov frigate as "excellent".

The corvette "Hero of the Russian Federation Aldar Tsydenzhapov" acted as the "enemy" ship.

"Marshal Shaposhnikov" - originally a large anti-submarine ship of project 1155, commissioned in 1986. Since 2015, it has been undergoing modernization, after which it returned to service in 2021. In the course of the work, in addition to anti-submarine and anti-aircraft systems, the ship was armed with modern Kalibr-NK and Uran attack missile systems, as well as the latest artillery weapons.


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May 12, 2022 at 15:11 Subject: Navy

The large anti-submarine ship (LAS) "Admiral Levchenko" again went to sea

The large anti-submarine ship of the Northern Fleet "Admiral Levchenko" entered the Barents Sea for artillery and anti-aircraft missile firing, as well as for practicing anti-submarine missions. This was announced on Thursday, May 12, in the press service of the Russian Defense Ministry.
The military department clarified that the combat crews of the BOD will work out various types of shooting at visible and closed coastal targets that imitate firing points and command posts of a mock enemy. The crew will also conduct an air defense exercise with anti-aircraft missiles and anti-aircraft artillery firing at a simulated air target.


"Admiral Levchenko"
Central Naval Portal, Ilya Kurganov

When performing training tasks to search for submarines, the LAS uses the Ka-27 helicopter, which it took on board before going to sea.

The areas for performing combat exercises in the Barents Sea are closed to civil navigation and aviation flights, the Russian Defense Ministry noted. After completing the assigned tasks at sea, the ship will return to the main base point - Severomorsk.

"Admiral Levchenko" - a large anti-submarine ship of project 1155. The LAS was laid down in January 1982 at the Zhdanov plant (now - "Northern Shipyard") under the name "Khabarovsk", but in May of the same year it was renamed "Admiral Levchenko". The ship was commissioned into the fleet in May 1989.

In the second half of the 2010s, the BOD was at a base in Severomorsk awaiting repairs. At the beginning of 2021, the ship was transferred to the Nerpa shipyard in Snezhnogorsk. Completion of the refurbishment was planned before the end of the same year.

With a total displacement of 7570 tons and a hull length of 163.5 meters, the Project 1155 BOD can reach speeds of up to 29.5 knots. Cruising range - up to 5,000 nautical miles at an economical speed of 18 knots, autonomy - 30 days. Crew - 220 people (including 29 officers).

The ship is armed with eight launchers of the Kinzhal air defense system (64 missiles), two four-container launchers of Rastrub rocket-torpedo launchers, RBU-6000 rocket launchers, as well as AK-100 and AK-630M artillery mounts.

https://flot.com/2022/%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9%D0%A4%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%8210/

June 19, 2023 at 9:21 Subject: Navy

The sailors of the frigate "Marshal Shaposhnikov" confirmed that they are ready for emergency situations

The crew of the frigate "Marshal Shaposhnikov" conducted a damage control training in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk during an operational exercise of the Pacific Fleet. As reported on Monday, June 19, in the press service of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the emergency parties received an introduction about the detection of smoke on the ship, after which they worked out the procedure in the event of a fire in the compartment with sealing the conditionally burning room.

Also, the servicemen fulfilled the temporary standards for the collection of an emergency team and its equipment and worked out an algorithm of actions to eliminate the hole by applying a plaster to the place of the conditional inflow of outboard water.


Frigate "Marshal Shaposhnikov" after modernization
Air Base Forum

The military department noted that practicing damage control training at sea is considered an important element in preparing military personnel for emergency situations.

The frigate "Marshal Shaposhnikov" continues to participate in the operational exercise of the Pacific Fleet as part of a tactical group of ships. In total, more than 60 warships and support vessels, about 35 aircraft of naval aviation, coastal troops and more than 11 thousand military personnel are involved in the maneuvers.

"Marshal Shaposhnikov" - originally a large anti-submarine ship of project 1155, commissioned in 1986. Since 2015, it has been undergoing modernization, after which it returned to service in 2021. In the course of the work, in addition to anti-submarine and anti-aircraft systems, the ship was armed with modern Kalibr-NK and Uran attack missile systems, as well as the latest artillery weapons.

https://flot.com/2023/%D0%A2%D0%B8%D1%85%D0%BE%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%B5%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9%D0%A4%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%8247/

Large anti-submarine ship (LAS) "Severomorsk" started working out combat missions in the Barents Sea
June 20, 2023 at 8:46 pm

On Monday, June 19, the large anti-submarine ship "Severomorsk" from the Kola flotilla of diverse forces of the Northern Fleet entered the Barents Sea to perform combat training tasks as part of planned combat training activities.
According to the press service of the Russian Defense Ministry, the crew of the LAS will carry out artillery and rocket firing at air and sea targets. Combat crews of the 100-mm artillery system will practice firing at a sea target and at a simulated air target.


LAS of the project 1155 "Severomorsk"
CJSC "BIUS"

A few days earlier, the crew of the Severomorsk worked out the preparation of the ship at the base, ensuring that the ship was allowed to go to sea.

According to the military department, before returning to the base, the crew of the Severomorsk BOD will also work out a number of elements of the ship's anti-sabotage defense and conduct training in anti-submarine defense and maneuvering in conditions of limited visibility and heavy navigation.

LAS "Severomorsk" project 1155 has been in service since 1987. With a total displacement of 7570 tons and a hull length of 163.5 meters, the ship can reach speeds of up to 29.5 knots. Cruising range - up to 5,000 nautical miles at an economical speed of 18 knots, autonomy - 30 days. Crew - 220 people (including 29 officers).

The Project 1155 ship is armed with eight launchers of the Kinzhal air defense system (64 missiles), two four-container launchers of Rastrub rocket-torpedo launchers, RBU-6000 rocket launchers, as well as AK-100 and AK-630M artillery mounts.
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