Syrian Civil War: News #9

Another 7 settlements sign cease fire agreements with the Government in Syria increasing total to 749. Number of Armed groups signing cease fire agreements remains at 69.

http://tass.com/world/905125

Erlindur wrote:As your typical armchair general, I wonder about the push north of Bostan al Pasha and south of Jandout. It looks like the SAA tries to cut the Kurdish part from east Aleppo. It could make sense if you think the close ties between the Kurds and US. The Kurdish area could be used to extract people from the east and maybe do some resupply.

What I don't know is how easy would be to send supplies or move people to and from the Kurdish part from outside. Does anyone have any information about how isolated that part is?

On a side note. I don't think that the unit positions on the map (the flags) are accurate but I feel that SAA has its flanks and rears really exposed to the Kurds. Kurds may be upset about the way US sold them to Turkey but there will always be some people willing to take bribes and the world is full of useful idiots. An attack by some Kurdish forces on SAA there, would create chaos and this is what US policy is all about. I hope that both Russia and SAA keep that in mind and keep checking that way.

Throughout the Syrian Civil war there has been little fighting between Kurdish and Government forces. Mostly there has been co-operation and some times support against a common enemy. If not for the US influence, it would probably be more. Not to say there have not been issues and incidents.

Syrian MiG-29 with R-77 :



https://twitter.com/LuftwaffeAS/status/785163397151285252

Yes.. Syria have a couple of dozen old migs since the start of the war ,and largely not used , they are reserved in case of a full scale war with a border country. Russia have been upgrading their electronics ,sensors and radars ,so they can fight at night an use very precise weapons.

James Corbett exposing some of the media lies coming out of Syria.

Interesting and convoluted expose of internal wranglings of America in Syria posted on Cassad. http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/3001862.html  Article taken from here http://polismi.ru/politika/liniya-peregiba/1491-kak-soedinjonnye-shtaty-sirijskikh-dzhikhadistov-vooruzhali.html  which is itself Russian translation of original here https://sofrep.com/63764/us-special-forces-sabotage-white-house-policy-gone-disastrously-wrong-with-covert-ops-in-syria/  but the bulk of the article is beyond a members only wall. Instead of writing synopsis of article, let the first paragraph that is visible to all on the site speak for itself.

“Nobody believes in it. You’re like, ‘Fuck this,’” a former Green Beret says of America’s covert and clandestine programs to train and arm Syrian militias. “Everyone on the ground knows they are jihadis. No one on the ground believes in this mission or this effort, and they know they are just training the next generation of jihadis, so they are sabotaging it by saying, ‘Fuck it, who cares?’”

No real surprises about what they are doing of course, only that Americans themselves say this, and are clearly not happy with their own "leadership".

Khepesh wrote:Interesting and convoluted expose of internal wranglings of America in Syria posted on Cassad. http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/3001862.html  Article taken from here http://polismi.ru/politika/liniya-peregiba/1491-kak-soedinjonnye-shtaty-sirijskikh-dzhikhadistov-vooruzhali.html  which is itself Russian translation of original here https://sofrep.com/63764/us-special-forces-sabotage-white-house-policy-gone-disastrously-wrong-with-covert-ops-in-syria/  but the bulk of the article is beyond a members only wall. Instead of writing synopsis of article, let the first paragraph that is visible to all on the site speak for itself.

“Nobody believes in it. You’re like, ‘Fuck this,’” a former Green Beret says of America’s covert and clandestine programs to train and arm Syrian militias. “Everyone on the ground knows they are jihadis. No one on the ground believes in this mission or this effort, and they know they are just training the next generation of jihadis, so they are sabotaging it by saying, ‘Fuck it, who cares?’”

No real surprises about what they are doing of course, only that Americans themselves say this, and are clearly not happy with their own "leadership".

Bruddah call me maing, I get dem foh yah.

https://archive.fo/Jdf4k

Don't worry it gets juicier once inside.

It looks like Finally FAT lazy China got ashamed of doing nothing for so long
and now showing some level of support other than words..

a Chinesse Frigate spotted in Tartus Syria in Oct 6-7.
apparently by a Syrian tweater page..

https://twitter.com/mansourtalk


Also he reports President S protection have been installed in some
Mi-17 of the Syrian Army.  hopefully they will be very careful in their use..
and if one hellicopter crash ,the president S system must be destroyed or captured.


In that same page.. Murad Gazdiev from RT is reporting that the Ru Defense ministry
told , 2 attacks on an Mi-8 by manpads.. (OCT were evaded by a Russian Mi-8.

And is almost official.. that Israelis and Zionist Jews backup Clinton over Trump.
and trying to sabotage any attempt of peace in Syria by Russia.
Robert Deniro began to insult trump in a video ,and not surprising discover that he is
half jew and very pro Israel.. all the way to information on internet in 2002. and he is promoting
Hillary Clinton ,that should be president.

So what are the potential tricks that NATO could try now in Syria?
1)They could try long range attacks of Cruise missiles.. that is hit and run from their warships.
But Russia can give a final ultimatum if they do that.. that will sink their warships.
2)Try a false Flag , a new malasyan stunt or something else were many civilians or NATO soldiers die and Russia blamed for it.
3)they could re-start the war in Ukraine (or Moldova ) and open a new front of attack against Russia to force Russia to invade by asking Ukraine to bomb Russia. Since Hillary was precisely promoting increasing the pressure on Russia to force them negotiate ...ie.. capitulate to Alqaeda and ISIS in Syria.
4)Turkey and Israel could be asked to start a false flag and blamed on Syria and open a new front line.

Whatever Americans will do.. is clear ,they are seeking..
1) Win back Public opinion (through staged false flag event)
2)  Increase the military pressure on Russia through THIRD countries.
3)And clear ,that they will not attack directly Russia and will hide behind another
nation or terrorist to fight Russia. Perhaps provide terrorist long range rocket artillery or chemical lethal weapons or biological weapons.

This is why Russia will prefer to get another cease of fire to see if Trump is elected. and Paralize
the conflict. And let international Public Opinion to pressure US to stop the war.

South Front status update over the weekend, the militants have lost some ground.

I suspect we could have a thread on here shortly called "China's Military involvement and aid to Syria"

below some paragraph's from the article. This could prove fatal for ISIS and possibly the siege of Deir ez Zoir lifted if this happens.

there was also rumours this year saying Chinese aircraft carrier and 5,000 troops being deployed but these were just rumours.

https://sputniknews.com/politics/201610101046199510-russia-china-strategy-of-synergy/

On Monday, Chinese Deputy Foreign Minister Li Baodong said that the positions of Beijing and Moscow coincide on the Syrian issue. Speaking to Sputnik, Chinese and Russian analysts confirmed that recent events have demonstrated that the two countries are quickly building a sustainable strategic partnership in their response to the Syrian crisis

Finally, CIS Institute deputy director Vladimir Yevseyev told Sputnik that he is absolutely certain presidents Xi and Putin will discuss the two countries' next steps on Syria in greater detail at the BRICS Summit in Goa on October 15-16. The preconditions for this discussion have definitely presented themselves.

Beijing, he stressed, has a broad collection of interests in Syria. "First of all, this includes rebuilding the country's oil production capability, which prior to the war was controlled to a large extent by China. Secondly, this includes receiving valuable combat experience. Syria, factually, is the only place where China can receive combat experience, both for its air and land forces – primarily its special forces. This experience would be invaluable. I think that Chinese pilots may come to work out of the Russian base at Hmeymim. Most likely, the Chinese would also like the opportunity to visit the Tartus port on occasion."

This in turn suggests the possibility of China becoming involved in expanding the (presently limited) capabilities of the Russian base at Tartus, Yevseyev noted. "With Chinese help, particularly through an effort to deepen the seabed around the port and modernize it, would allow us to create a full-fledged base. China would likely want to use it to have a presence in the Mediterranean, something Beijing considers to be of major importance."

not sure if this has been shown and sorry if it has. I presume the S200VE and S-125 2M will be Syrian systems that were already present at the base.

also the Syrian Army has Constructed New S-200 site at Kweires airport, in July 2016.
http://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2016/29-july-sa5-air-defense-site-active-again-at-kweires-ab-in

http://tass.com/defense/855430

Three layers of Russian air defense at Hmeimim air base in Syria

Russian-Syrian air defense force
According to public sources, the combined Russian-Syrian AD force was deployed in the war zone as far back as November 2015, comprising:
Pantsir-S1 (SS-22 Greyhound) close-in SAM/AA systems;
Osa-AKM (SA-8 Gecko);
S-125 Pechora-2M (SA-3 Goa) short-range (SHORAD) SAM systems;
Buk-M2E (SA-17 Grizzly) medium-range SAM systems;
S-200VE Vega (SA-5 Gammon);
S-400 Triumph long-range SAM systems.

and Krasukha-4 electronic warfare systems.

Would China be welcomed in the Syrian conflict, or would their presence make things all too confusing?

ie. the logistics of yet another foreign language trying to co-ordinate intel, and share air bases.

China should increase monetary and weapons support, and stick to being a diplomatic backer of the Syrian government. Unless they want to send 50k soldiers to destroy the rebels, it's not worth it, imo.

China in Syria will be truly fantastic ,but they are a year late.. they should have moved to
Syria in early 2016 at least.. for "humanitarian aid reasons" and all of them armed for "self defense".  

In my opinion , NATO will give up in Syria as soon LATAKIA , Aleppo, Homs ,Hama and Damascus
Dara fully liberated. So the only thing left will be Idlib and RAQQ ,that the Syrian airforce and Russia will control its airspace. So that small territory will be worthless for NATO and Israel greater middle east project , iF Turkey blocks Kurds from creating any independent state.

So this is one potential strategy Russia can do..

-Russia could use Turkey to block NATO plan B or Plan C of creating kurdistan in northen Syria under their control. So any Pipeline from Saudi Arabia through Syria will not be in control of Kurds but Turkey.. This will give Turkey something from Syria in change for ending Erdogan plans for disbanding totally Syria.

-This unnaceptable deal for Syria of losing (for a year or two) IDLIB and RAQA to Turkey,could be acceptable is the strategy is to earn time ,to streghten the Syrian ARmy and Get China full on board in Syria and fully liberate all parts of Syria and fully modernize the Syrian army. and once All cards in place ,with Russia ,China and fully renovated and modernized Syrian army with lots more soldiers and new Airforce, then start pushing little by little to recover the north of Syria.. Turkey inevitable will be forced to leave. than to risk everything for just a small piece of land.  and they will get guarantees that Kurds will NOT have their kurdistan and will be fully in control by Syria ,Russia and China and not by Americans.  

The key here is to hold and to make the war last while enhancing the security of Syria , is that Russia needs to create an attrition war for NATO ,and use the time they earn to destroy the image of NATO actions in Syria and their support of terrorism. Then sooner or later ,next US administration or the next one.. Americans will be totally angry for US interference in Syria ,and demand they to leave.So NATO will be given space for retreat in an honorable way , if Russia offers them to restore relations and join with them to fight terrorist.

Would China be welcomed in the Syrian conflict, or would their presence make things all too confusing?

ie. the logistics of yet another foreign language trying to co-ordinate intel, and share air bases.

The Arab Spring is a NATO proxy war against Russia and China ,to remove their presence and influence from Africa and middle east. And remove any client in that zone ,that could help their economies. In Syria it also seek to create a pipeline to Europe to sabotage Russia energy business with them. The Syrian war is an economic war of NATO against Russia , just like Ukraine war too..with the bonus in Ukraine to create a major split between Russia and Europe relations. and get Russia in economic sanctions for life. The bonus in those wars.. will be to provoke a war between third party countries like Turkey or Ukraine against Russia. and ultimately destroy Russia economy and Russia world image if lose the war and destroy Putin support.Totally Failing in Ukraine and Syria will cost not only Putin support of Russians but also collapse of Russian economy ,with terrorist from Syria moved to Russian borders once over run Syria and IRAQ.

So China do have reasons to be there too. is also a war against them too. There are Chinese muslins that NATO recruited and deployed in Syria.So chinesse terrorist gain experience in combat they can later use back in China..

So China ARmy will benefit Enormously since they have recent experience in modern combat
to understand how to fight NATO backed terrorist with NATO weapons and NATO tactics ,including chemical weapons they given. Monumental experience in fighting NATO trainned groups. This very fast attacks tactics with waves of suicide bombers and very spread formations of militants to make less effective any airforce ,is something China have never faced before..neither Russia.

Unfortunately India is shinning for their absence ,totally selfish in not caring about helping to fix world problems that will also affect them too. Because US and NATO will not accept India independence and they will also be victims of Freedom fighters and a similar war of Syria fueled by NATO on their own muslins ,if NATO allowed to win in Syria with their backed ISIS and Alqaeda.

Erk wrote:Would China be welcomed in the Syrian conflict, or would their presence make things all too confusing?

ie. the logistics of yet another foreign language trying to co-ordinate intel, and share air bases.

China could provide MALE UCAV's such as Wing Loong . These will bring better sensor payloads resulting in higher quality real time intelligence and even strike payloads. Additionally due to the altitude they operate at, they would not even be detected and can covertly conduct surveillance missions. The pilots could operate with a joint Russian Chinese Iranian Syrian intelligence team that assists in targeting and liaison.

Regarding the use of PLA ground forces or SF , I am unaware of whether these soldiers are trained for combat in urban and built up areas or even desert warfare. Additionally it will take time for them to acclimatize to the environmental conditions in Syria. Embedding certain SF elements with elite Syrian units maybe a better option if they want to gain know how and experience.

KoTeMoRe wrote:
https://archive.fo/Jdf4k

Don't worry it gets juicier once inside.

It contains some interesting information , but overall , looks like it was
written for CNN or FOX news editorial...  ie.. ( PROPAGANDA)

here is one..

In the last 15 years of war against terrorism, it appears that the U.S. military and intelligence services have learned no lessons, repeatedly doing the same thing again and again, hoping for a different result.

Here it comes again the Myth of the "mistakes" . This is not true. United States And its allies truly Understand who are they providing weapons -> Alqaeda like extremist groups and
suicide bombers. This is not a mistake , this is a policy to use Terrorism to fight Russia and its allies in middle east. And the more radical they are , the better ,because the more terror they create and never quits when fighting. So there are no "Failures" in US policy. The only failure here , is people total lack of understanding that United States TRULY sponsors Terrorism. Not figuratively , not when they have no other option. But they truly do. According to Voltaire net,
there are more than a thousand of Jihadist terror schools in USA. where they are trained in Combat for future Syria like proxy wars. and they have Gullen in United States ,a Radical muslins they are preparing to Replace Erdogan.. if he choose to move to the side of Russia, then they will send this Turkish former citizens back to Turkey ,to repeat a Lybia like war and remove Erdogan. Simply Put US government cannot afford to Lose Turkey from NATO. it will be a major
Black Hole in their containment policy and will be unable to allow Russia to easily move to the Atlantic in case of war or even come in the defense of an ally in Europe from the south or Syria if Turkey close the strait.

So get this again. There are no mistakes in the spread of terrorism in any place NATO goes.. This is working perfectly as intended.  Alqaeda was not a mistake.. neither ISIS. but a
major Success for NATO.  So Islamic terrorism worldwide is part of western Globalist Agenda.
To control/overun muslin nations non aligned with NATO through terrorist.  This are very cheap armies that will fight to death in any war ,with the correct brainwashing.. ie.. to expand Islam in the world. because Alah demands it.. etc etc.

The only problem happens ,when Russia or IRAN becomes effective in neutralizing their
terror forces . So those Greenberest.. cannot believe they are so naive , to think they are training "moderates" that later will become radical.. NO.  they Train carefully selected radicals , that later become even more radicals for being exposed for very long to a war. If the Rebels
were secular.. then they will not be hired at all. US and its allies only recruit Islamic radical extremist and Nothing else when it comes to muslins nations.. and in cristian roots nations they recruit criminals ,Nazis , that all of them needs to be very incompatible with Russia. people like Greenparty in Germany ,that is pro gay rights ,pro Sex Change.. Pro drugs.. pro nudity in public.. and with very bad opinion of Russia. etc.

in more news..

United States story of painted jets.. false flag..now in RT..with more
information.  



https://www.rt.com/viral/362321-us-jets-russian-colors/

Make no mistake.. this is not done for "Training". in a real war of NATO against Russia
will never go in close visual combat. Instead will go using stand off weapons from beyond visual range. So there is no reason to pain their jets in that way. Because to see that paint will need to fight at very ridiculous close distance which will not happen. Combat jets will fight from 100km to 30km in a real war. and no benefit at all in painting them in that way other than a false flag.

RT explain previous times that US used false flags this way..

Remember history: On April 15, 1961, a group of Cuban exiles took off from Nicaragua in a squadron of American B-26 bombers, painted to look like stolen Cuban planes, and conducted a strike against Cuban airfields. So we have known for decades that the US federal Government is full of snakes and vipers. Don't put anything past these filth.
By repainting these fighter jets, they can send them out on bombing missions, make certain they fly low and slow around a target a few times so people on the ground whip out their cellphone cameras to video the attack, bomb the hell out of something and then sit back as all the civilian videos come out on social media showing a "Russian" plane committing the act! The perfect set up.

NATO caught planning a false flag ,caught with their pants down. to bomb civilians in Syria
thousands of them and later blame it on Russia. This is the reason ,why i think RT will be banned from US and Europe.. it will be a matter of time . Because Internet information can
counter propaganda media withing seconds. of any major event or false flag if happens.

What should be a hint of where false flag will happen is in Ukraine, Baltics states and Poland.
In all of them Russia media ,including Sputnik is banned. So they can stage a false flag with a military plane shot down of NATO and later Russia blamed for it. To destroy the world Public Opinion about Russia. They need a false flag to isolate Russia economy from Europe or justify the bombing of Assad or major sanctions on Russia.

Who knows ?

https://www.rt.com/viral/362321-us-jets-russian-colors/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

Photos showing US jets being painted Russian colors have triggered debates and conspiracy theories online, with many saying Washington plans to conduct false flag attacks in Syria and blame them on Moscow.

BTW pics:

Some history of US

false flags.

People will call it "conspiration theories" but they are not conspiration.
But facts. Vietnam war was initiated with a Fake attack on an American warship.
they claimed Vietnam did it. The IRAQ war was started based on a lie of weapons of mass
destruction ,that later Bush jokes about not finding them..

And the war against terrorism and invasion of afganistan also began
with an inside job attack on WTC 9/11

Russia preparing to transfer to Syria with a large consignment of "Pantsirs"

Russian authorities are considering the possibility of sending to Syria the party of anti-aircraft missile and gun systems (zrpk) "Pantsir", the corresponding transaction was concluded several years ago, but for financial reasons was only partially implemented, the newspaper "Izvestia" citing a source in military-diplomatic circles.

"We are talking about the dispatch to Syria of those complexes, which were in warehouses in 2013 to the customer's fulfillment of all contracted financial obligations. Now scheduled work on the restoration of technical readiness and training of military vehicles for transportation", – said the interlocutor of"Izvestia".


The source refused to name the exact number of "Shells", which will be handed over to the Syrian military, but gave to understand that it is not less than about 10 installations. In addition, together with the "Shells" Syria needs to send a command and additional radar stations, which will allow you to use zrpk "obatarian" (when multiple systems are combined in one unit – anti-aircraft battery) and thus increase the efficiency of their application in the case of massive attacks, the article says.
A contract to supply zrpk "Carapace" between Russia and Syria was signed in 2008, the newspaper reminds. Although the transaction was not disclosed, according to various estimates, is from 36 to 50 anti-aircraft systems and not less than 700 missiles for them in the amount of about $ 730 million. The last batch of "Shells" were handed over to Damascus in 2013.

Well if 50 Pantsirs x12 launch tubes = 600 and only 700 missiles? if 36 x 12 tubes 432 then 700+ looks slightly better but no over supply to me




The Syrian army destroyed the command post of terrorists near Aleppo

ALEPPO, October 10 — RIA Novosti, Mikhail Alaeddin. The soldiers of the Syrian army together with a detachment of militia destroyed the command post of terrorists in 19 kilometers South of Aleppo, told RIA Novosti the representative of the Syrian militia.

"Thanks to our intelligence failed to detect in Khalsa terrorist command center and calculate the time of collecting fighters and leaders of several units. At a time when most arrived, the house was launched two missiles," - said the Agency interlocutor.

According to militia, among the dead are the leaders of squads. Members of some groups were in settlement of the Khalsa at the time of the military operation of the Syrian military, is not specified.

https://ria.ru/syria/20161010/1478917043.html

Vann7 wrote: This is why Russia will prefer to get another cease of fire to see if Trump is elected. and Paralize
the conflict. And let international Public Opinion to pressure US to stop the war.

Well  to me there is nothing we can advise Russian leadership they did not consider earler. Yes we can speculate to full extent:)

higurashihougi wrote:Who knows ?

https://www.rt.com/viral/362321-us-jets-russian-colors/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

Photos showing US jets being painted Russian colors have triggered debates and conspiracy theories online, with many saying Washington plans to conduct false flag attacks in Syria and blame them on Moscow.

With technically no fly zone over Syria Russia can shoot down unidentified plane right? and if plane identifies itself lik eF-18...then paint does not help much.

d_taddei2 wrote:
Beijing, he stressed, has a broad collection of interests in Syria. "First of all, this includes rebuilding the country's oil production capability, which prior to the war was controlled to a large extent by China. Secondly, this includes receiving valuable combat experience. Syria, factually, is the only place where China can receive combat experience, both for its air and land forces – primarily its special forces. This experience would be invaluable. I think that Chinese pilots may come to work out of the Russian base at Hmeymim. Most likely, the Chinese would also like the opportunity to visit the Tartus port on occasion."

This in turn suggests the possibility of China becoming involved in expanding the (presently limited) capabilities of the Russian base at Tartus, Yevseyev noted. "With Chinese help, particularly through an effort to deepen the seabed around the port and modernize it, would allow us to create a full-fledged base. China would likely want to use it to have a presence in the Mediterranean, something Beijing considers to be of major importance."

If this is true, and China is serious about getting involved to help Assad, it may prove just as valuable as Russia and in some ways even more so. Russia is doing what it can, but has economic issues. If China can spare more resources, and is willing to commit them to help wrap this up, and get Syria back on its feet, the nation may revive in a remarkably short time. Pro-Israel people have claimed that, owing to the civil war, Syria can't pose a renewed threat for at least 20 years. Maybe so, but ...maybe not.

some goods even if it is only humanitarian aid this at least helps the poor civilians and relieves some pressure on Russia on this challenge.

Several nations to join Russian aid operation in Aleppo. China, Azerbaijan, Serbia, India, Kazakhstan intend to join Russia's humanitarian operation in Aleppo," the Russian-based news agency stated. Armenia and China have already sent humanitarian aid to Aleppo; however, they are reportedly expanding their participation with their Russian allies in Syria

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/several-nations-join-russian-aid-operation-aleppo/

NOW IT IS ****ING GOOD.

https://sputniknews.com/politics/201610111046224992-clinton-wikileaks-qatar-saudi-support-daesh/

Hillary Clinton Admits Qatar, Saudi Arabia Support Daesh in Leaked Emails

A message in the latest batch of emails between Hillary Clinton and her campaign chairman John Podesta shows the presidential candidate knew the governments of Saudi Arabia and Qatar provided financial and logistical support to Daesh terrorists in the Middle East.

This also means Trump wins, doesn't he ?