Lend-Lease - World War II: Discussion

no, there would be a stalemate or he could have lost power & war.

Was the Soviet fleet useless in World War II

AlfaT8 wrote:Apparently a million Kwantung army ain't sh%t, they were under-supplied and its the Navy that mattered, because Japan is an island, the cream of their crop and their supplies were fighting on the islands.

but it's not that the Kwantung army was shit, their best units and equipment were taken away to fight in the pacific what was left of the army by the time the USSR attacked them was poorly trained men with shitty gear.

No, the occupation force wasn't, numerous Imperial Japanese officers stated the best men and gear was taken away to fight the Americans.

Go pull your revisionist history BS somewhere else, cause I know the history.

Really annoying when fanboys wanna rewrite history so they circle jerk the side they like.

Now in terms of the lease, the allies sent the USSR a shit ton of stuff if you actually do your proper research to look up the volume of stuff the soviets got and not listen to the biased people on this forum. It did HELP them win, but it wasn't the main reason either.

Also, Russia did not pay for all the gear they got sent an estimated 11B dollars worth of stuff and they paid back around 700M in total. Now some stuff in the agreement they weren't obligated to pay back like ships but they still never even paid back half of the amount they agreed.

Because no one was going to war over that money it was just written off.

Maybe if Americans sent in a few million soldiers to fight on the eastern front, they could claim a bit more credit.

Show me proof the officers in charge of the army lied, there is none btw.

I give the USSR credit for WW2 where and when it's due, but I ain't interested in historical revisionist BS that you're trying to preach.

3. Go cry about Hollywood somewhere else, russians do the same in their movies and I've watched a lot of russian war movies.

Trying to suggest the USSR didn't get a crap tone of hardware to use against the Nazi's from the allies just shows how little you really know.

In total this is what they got from the allies, I am not even counting the ships and a few other things

5. No they didn't, they never paid half of what they were supposed to pay. Again a lie on your part.

First of all, the US received much needed goods and equipment from the USSR (and other countries) in what was termed “reverse lend-lease.” Even before the Second World War had ended, other nations began sending Washington essential raw materials valued at nearly 20% of the materials and weapons the US had shipped overseas. Specifically, the USSR provided 32,000 tons of manganese and 300,000 tons of chrome ore, which were highly prized by the military industry. Suffice it to say that when German industry was deprived of the manganese from the rich deposits in Nikopol as a result of the Soviet Nikopol–Krivoi Rog Offensive in February 1944, the 150-mm frontal armor on the German “Royal Tiger” tanks turned to be much more vulnerable to Soviet artillery shells than the 100-mm armor plate previously found on the ordinary Tiger tanks.

In addition, the USSR paid for the Allied shipments with gold. In fact, one British cruiser, the HMS Edinburgh, was carrying 5.5 tons of that precious metal when it was sunk by German submarines in May 1942.

The Soviet Union also returned much of the weaponry and military equipment after the war, as stipulated under the Lend-Lease agreement. In exchange they were issued an invoice for $1,300 million. Given the fact that Lend-Lease debts to most nations had been written off, this seemed like highway robbery, and Stalin demanded that the “Allied debt” be recalculated.

Subsequently the Americans were forced to admit their error, but they inflated the
interest owed in the grand total, and the final amount, including that interest, came to $722 million, a figure that was accepted by the USSR and the US under a settlement agreement signed in Washington in 1972. Of this amount, $48 million was paid to the US in three equal installments in 1973, but subsequent payments were cut off when the US introduced discriminatory practices in their trade with the USSR (in particular, the notorious Jackson-Vanik Amendment).

The parties did not return to the discussion of Lend-Lease debt until June 1990, during a new round of negotiations between Presidents George Bush Sr. and Mikhail Gorbachev, during which a new deadline was set for the final repayment – which would be in 2030 – and the total outstanding debt was acknowledged to be $674 million.

After the collapse of the Soviet Union, its debts were categorized as either sovereign debt (the Paris Club) or debts to private banks (London Club). The Lend-Lease debt was a liability owed to the US government and is part of the Paris Club debt, which Russia repaid in full in August 2006.

By comparison, Great Britain - the US's closest ally - paid off its Lend-Lease debt 4 months later, on the 29th of December 2006.

6. Okay show me proof then and real proof not "anon source claims this".

7. Soviet warcrime against german civilians is well documented, they did more then the allies did in that department, your a disgusting human if your trying to brush that under the rug.

Putin: the Land-Lease covered 80% of USSR war needs.