Lend-Lease - World War II: Discussion

Flyingdutchman wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

Flyingdutchman wrote:

it was the eastern front that defeated the Germany army... not the bombing of german women and children and old men in their homes.

Without the US the soviets wouldnt won the war the US gave the soviets so mich resources to win the war, because of that they later won the war.

So much bullshit in one comment.

Without the US Soviets would have won much earlier than 1945!!!

Soviets won the war DESPITE that USA and UK sold resources to Germany along with all Allied Forces.
USA was very happy to getting rich from dead germans and soviets while own troops could saftley swing their balls in their own homeland.

Through the mid 30's to the last day of the WW2 in 1945 USA supplied Germany constantly with oil,resources for military purposes.

http://libcom.org/library/allied-multinationals-supply-nazi-germany-world-war-2

From the "Trading With the Enemy" cover blurb;  "Here is the extraordinary true story of the American businessmen and government officials who dealt with the Nazis for profit or through conviction throughout the Second World War: Ford. Standard Oil, Chase Bank and members of the State Department were among those who shared in the spoils. Meticulously documented and dispassionately told, this is an alarming story. At its centre is 'The Fraternity', an influential international group associated with the [b]Rockefeller or Morgan banks[/b] and linked by the ideology of Business as Usual. wrote:

But that is only one of the cases detailed in this book. [b]We have Standard Oil shipping enemy fuel through Switzerland for the Nazi occupation forces in France[/b]; [b]Ford trucks transporting German troops[/b]; [b]I.T.T. helping supply the rocket bombs that marauded much of London [/b]; and [b]I.T.T. building the Focke-Wulfs[/b] that [b]dropped those bombs[/b]. Long and shocking is the list of diplomats and businessmen alike who had their own ways of profiting from the war." wrote:

Yes, without US supplies and D-Day the poor Soviets wouldn't have won.

The Soviets were the one who won the entire war, over 80% of all destroyed and defeated Wehrmacht soldiers died on the eastern front, the war was desided before any Allied forces opened a western front!

But civilians are the first priority target of US and UK bombers, you won nothing but war of lies about massmurders as leaders who glorified themselfs as philanthropists.

Without the US the soviets wouldnt won Much earlier because then the germans could have concentrade all of their troops to the eastern front and if the germans focussed everything they got on the eastern front the soviets would've been doomed

GarryB wrote:
Germany invaded the Soviet Union and killed more than 8 million Soviet troops and more than 20 million Soviet civilians.

The Germans were the civilised westerners and the Soviets were the backward half asians... I would say in many ways the opposite was true... the Soviets treated the Germans rather better than the Germans treated the Soviets.

Werewolf wrote:It ia fascinating how people are propagandized about WW2 that without the Mighty US who got their lazy arses into the war when the war was already decided to safe the poor poor Soviets who did nothing to win the war.

Without Soviet Union, there wouldn't be New York and for sure no London today.

Werewolf wrote:

Flyingdutchman wrote:

Werewolf wrote:It ia fascinating how people are propagandized about WW2 that without the Mighty US who got their lazy arses into the war when the war was already decided to safe the poor poor Soviets who did nothing to win the war.

Without Soviet Union, there wouldn't be New York and for sure no London today.

New york already was a big city why would there be no new york without the soviets and whatabout London the british defended London well an invasion of britain was a no changes plan the soviets and new york and London has Nothing to do with eachother

Because more than 80-85% of Wehrmacht was on EASTERN FRONT!!!

If Soviet Union would never be attacked all those troops would have been focused first on UK and UK was horribly in overall compared to Germany, it would take a few years but they would have made their way to the island and USA was just one small cake after that. USA was incompetend back than and had only get technology after 1945 with Operation Paperclip, germany already had works on nuclear weapons.

Regular wrote:Without SU there would be no USA or UK? Are You kidding right? UK could have suffered if Germans would concentrate on building the naval power, but in the war time it would be hard.
How in the hell would they attack USA? Compare industrial power, air force, navy, USA was ahead in many areas. Not only number wise. Are you sure USA was lagging behind in technology??? Their army was strong as well with ok leadership.
They could have wiped Germans by themselves if they had commitment as they couldn't care less what's going in Europe. Concentration camps boo effing hoo, they wouldn't attack if even last Jew would fly out from the chimney, but if some would attack their navy.. then Freedom and democracy will fall upon them.

And about the duch kid crying about Russians raping women in Germany. You might be too young to understand, but look at the bright side of it. Most of German men where in Wermacht, probably rotting in the fields across the Europe, so I doubt they had quality time with gentlemen company as male population was dried out - only cripples and nazi midgets with funny moustaches. When Russians come to Berlin the real rape was done by German women against Soviet soldiers. They went to Berlin as boys and came as men..

Regular wrote:Wermacht weren't saints from Poland to Soviet union, they had marauders, rapists and so on. They had all society in the army and there are bad apples in every basket. War brutalises people and You get results. Soviet situation was the same, just add revenge in the mix, Caucasian tribes and lack of control when Berlin fell equals to violent Soviet-German smootcharoo.
By the way, rapists and marauders in Soviet army where executed if caught. There was even a list on ww2 forum,  and by the surnames you could find many georgiashvillis amongst them.

Flyingdutchman wrote:

Regular wrote:Without SU there would be no USA or UK? Are You kidding right? UK could have suffered if Germans would concentrate on building the naval power, but in the war time it would be hard.
How in the hell would they attack USA? Compare industrial power, air force, navy, USA was ahead in many areas. Not only number wise. Are you sure USA was lagging behind in technology??? Their army was strong as well with ok leadership.
They could have wiped Germans by themselves if they had commitment as they couldn't care less what's going in Europe. Concentration camps boo effing hoo, they wouldn't attack if even last Jew would fly out from the chimney, but if some would attack their navy.. then Freedom and democracy will fall upon them.

And about the duch kid crying about Russians raping women in Germany. You might be too young to understand, but look at the bright side of it. Most of German men where in Wermacht, probably rotting in the fields across the Europe, so I doubt they had quality time with gentlemen company as male population was dried out - only cripples and nazi midgets with funny moustaches. When Russians come to Berlin the real rape was done by German women against Soviet soldiers. They went to Berlin as boys and came as men..

True and i didnt knew the germans did the same with russian females

etaepsilonk wrote:

Regular wrote:Wermacht weren't saints from Poland to Soviet union, they had marauders, rapists and so on. They had all society in the army and there are bad apples in every basket. War brutalises people and You get results. Soviet situation was the same, just add revenge in the mix, Caucasian tribes and lack of control when Berlin fell equals to violent Soviet-German smootcharoo.
By the way, rapists and marauders in Soviet army where executed if caught. There was even a list on ww2 forum,  and by the surnames you could find many georgiashvillis amongst them.

The stupid... it hurts  

Regular wrote:

etaepsilonk wrote:

Regular wrote:Wermacht weren't saints from Poland to Soviet union, they had marauders, rapists and so on. They had all society in the army and there are bad apples in every basket. War brutalises people and You get results. Soviet situation was the same, just add revenge in the mix, Caucasian tribes and lack of control when Berlin fell equals to violent Soviet-German smootcharoo.
By the way, rapists and marauders in Soviet army where executed if caught. There was even a list on ww2 forum,  and by the surnames you could find many georgiashvillis amongst them.

The stupid... it hurts  

Well what do You expect when 15 year old Dutch starts to use strong words like rape when he barely knows what sex is. It's dangerous to discuss with him further because his sick affection of rape could get our hard drives confiscated.

etaepsilonk wrote:Here's a not too bad lend-lease study:
http://militera.lib.ru/memo/usa/stettinius/06.html

revisionist" publications on Soviet history and WWII with authenticate garbage such as  Неизвестный Жуков: портрет без ретуши в зеркале эпохи    and "The Role of the Soviet Union in the Second World War: A Re-examination".  

"Касались мы в разговоре с Д. Эйзенхауэром вопроса о поставках по ленд-лизу. И здесь тогда все было ясно. Однако в течение многих послевоенных лет буржуазная историография утверждала, как и продолжает утверждать до сих пор, что якобы решающую роль в достижении нашей победы над врагом сыграли поставки союзниками вооружения, материалов, продовольствия.

Действительно, Советский Союз получил от союзников во время войны важные поставки для народного хозяйства— машины, оборудование, материалы, горючее, продовольствие. Из США и Англии было доставлено, например, более 400 тысяч автомобилей, большое количество паровозов, средств связи. Но разве все это могло оказать решающее влияние на ход войны? Я говорил уже о том, что советская промышленность достигла в годы войны огромного размаха и обеспечила фронт и тыл всем необходимым. Повторяться нет смысла.

Относительно вооружения могу сказать следующее. Мы получили по ленд-лизу из США и Англии около 18 тысяч самолетов, более 11 тысяч танков. К общему числу вооружения, которым советский народ оснастил свою армию за годы войны, поставки по ленд-лизу составили в среднем 4 процента. Следовательно, о решающей роли поставок говорить не приходится.


Что касается танков и самолетов, которые английское и американское правительства нам поставляли, скажем прямо, они не отличались высокими боевыми качествами, особенно танки, которые, работая на бензине, горели как факелы. "

Pentagon department for information's corruption and denial has been always historically lousy and a bit too much unsophisticated in its work for any intellect superior to that of an high invertebrate (is sufficient to even only observe lately that comical mess that has been the grossly attempt to blame CW attack to SAA.....literally with thin air, shaking images and wide words   ) ,but what i find even more odd is that three of you (i obviously don't refere to you Regular   ) still attempt so old tactics such as group "mutual validation" and "critical thinking bypass" of selected PR pieces even pretending to achieve any result different from shared derision behind your shoulders .


The US has badly lost this PO information war in Russia more than 15 years ago and now ,with also mercenary NGOs literally paralysed and exposed to PO, the tide go in the exact opposite direction    

An hot welcome in the 2014 world to all the dinosaurs listening.......