Syrian Civil War: News #10

Joene ‏@Gjoene 15h15 hours ago
See how #AlQaeda is trying to attack abandoned batallion in #Daraa, but gets destroyed by the #SAA

https://twitter.com/Gjoene/status/794826802493583361

calm wrote:Today #SDF Operation "Wrath of the Euphrates" to capture Raqqa from #ISIS started. More than 30,000 SDF fighters will take part.
It's estimated around 20-30,000 fighters will be fighting under SDF umbrella for the capture of Raqqa, which is 2x the force used for Manbij

#Raqqa - SDF already liberated 5 villages and advanced 10km since yesterday evening. (ANHA)

par far wrote:.....?.
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This is just a stupid move by Russia, Russia should have went for Al-Raqqa, 6-7 months ago, now the NATO will have Al-Raqqa.

PapaDragon wrote:

par far wrote:.....?.
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This is just a stupid move by Russia, Russia should have went for Al-Raqqa, 6-7 months ago, now the NATO will have Al-Raqqa.

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No. Syria should have went for Raqqa 5 years ago.

There is nothing in Raqqa that is of any use to Russia.

par far wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

par far wrote:.....?.
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This is just a stupid move by Russia, Russia should have went for Al-Raqqa, 6-7 months ago, now the NATO will have Al-Raqqa.

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No. Syria should have went for Raqqa 5 years ago.

There is nothing in Raqqa that is of any use to Russia.

There are winners and losers in the Al-Raqqa situation.

The losers here are:

Syria-They just lost shit load of oil, almost half their production.

Turkey-Erdogan the Moron, should have never gotten involved in the Syrian conflict, Assad was never a threat to Turkey but now the Kurds, will be a major threat to Turkey.

Iran-Another Sunni state in the Middle East, which will be influenced by the US, Iran should have done more for Al-Raqqa, should have gotten more resources.

Russia-Another NATO country in the Middle East.

The winners:

US-these bastards get another base in the Middle East where they can fuck with Syria.

Kuds-These motherfuckers get they country and these a'holes will be controlled by the US.

storm333 wrote:

par far wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

par far wrote:.....?.
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This is just a stupid move by Russia, Russia should have went for Al-Raqqa, 6-7 months ago, now the NATO will have Al-Raqqa.

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No. Syria should have went for Raqqa 5 years ago.

There is nothing in Raqqa that is of any use to Russia.

There are winners and losers in the Al-Raqqa situation.

The losers here are:

Syria-They just lost shit load of oil, almost half their production.

Turkey-Erdogan the Moron, should have never gotten involved in the Syrian conflict, Assad was never a threat to Turkey but now the Kurds, will be a major threat to Turkey.

Iran-Another Sunni state in the Middle East, which will be influenced by the US, Iran should have done more for Al-Raqqa, should have gotten more resources.

Russia-Another NATO country in the Middle East.

The winners:

US-these bastards get another base in the Middle East where they can fuck with Syria.

Kuds-These motherfuckers get they country and these a'holes will be controlled by the US.

Where does Saudi and Qatar stand in this?

franco wrote:For the Kurds;
- most important tactical and strategic goal is to join together the two areas under their control.
- so the drive for Al Bab is all important for them and they are only about 30 km apart.
- this is the worst case scenario for the Turks and the prevention of is their primary focus.
- however it apparently has the tact approval of the Russians and Syrians.
- their move on Raqqah is strictly for the money (US support).

For the Syrians;
- it will take years still to defeat the rebel forces west of the Euphrates and then they can deal with the eastern side.
- apparently the next offense in that area will be to Dayr Hafir and then to Jirah Airbase blocking Kurdish or Turkish advance down the west side of the Euphrates

For the Americans;
- get land to build their pipeline
- fragments Syria
- helps put the nail in the ISIS coffin which has outlived it's usefulness
- block Russia from total victory in Syria
- however ticks off the Turks even more

For the Gulf states and Saudis;
- get their pipeline
- weakens Syria
- however they lose out promoting their Sunni Islamic state goals in both Iraq and Syria. Kurds maybe Sunni but are sectarian.

For the Turks;
- still in the drivers seat regarding oil and gas transportation pipeline from the Gulf and from Russia thru the Southern stream.
- however have the Kurds united across their southern border
- lose the ability to impact events in Syria
- left with a radicalized, militarized and armed refugee problems

d_taddei2 wrote:does anyone know the rough numbers of terrorists and SAA etc in each front, i.e. central Homs, east Hama front, Latakia etc i know this must be a pretty hard question to answer but thought maybe someone knew

BKP wrote:Seems to me that the airstrikes pause on Aleppo has gone on long enough. The "moderates" have well used the ample opportunity they've had to demonstrate before the world the now redundant point that they're shit, morally speaking. Imo, it's time to finish that particular job and move on before the empire further entrenches itself for future mischief. I know that PR and perception management is especially important in today's age of modern media, but maybe it's time to just yank the bandage off, rather than continuing to prolong this. These delays are working to the advantage of the adversary. Ignore the hypocritical bleating and threats. Those are going to come regardless.

Vann7 wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:does anyone know the rough numbers of terrorists and SAA etc in each front, i.e. central Homs, east Hama front, Latakia etc i know this must be a pretty hard question to answer but thought maybe someone knew

US media is reporting that in Raqqa alone offensive ,there will be 20,000 so called SDF forces
to capture/(land transfer with hands shake from ISIS) Raqqa. So how many more Rebels should be in IDLIB and Aleppo zone? and all over Syria?

I suggest their numbers have to be in the 50,000. With more than half of them foreigners
like Turkish terrorist, Saudis ,Lybians ,Chinesse ,Chechens ,Africans, Iraquis ,Europeans muslisn ,American muslins etc.

The reason why you see Muslins  terrorist from from China ,from Russia ,is because NATO plans
is to help jihadist extremist gain experience in Syria fighting Russia and Syrian army,so that later they can export those terrorist to Russia and China and start fighting their army their too.

par far wrote:

BKP wrote:Seems to me that the airstrikes pause on Aleppo has gone on long enough. The "moderates" have well used the ample opportunity they've had to demonstrate before the world the now redundant point that they're shit, morally speaking. Imo, it's time to finish that particular job and move on before the empire further entrenches itself for future mischief. I know that PR and perception management is especially important in today's age of modern media, but maybe it's time to just yank the bandage off, rather than continuing to prolong this. These delays are working to the advantage of the adversary. Ignore the hypocritical bleating and threats. Those are going to come regardless.

This is very true, the SAA Air Force, has enough capabilities, to pound Aleppo, hopefully, they tell the Russians, that their Jets are going to pound Aleppo and please don't stop us cause we will lose more territory.  

par far wrote:

Vann7 wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:does anyone know the rough numbers of terrorists and SAA etc in each front, i.e. central Homs, east Hama front, Latakia etc i know this must be a pretty hard question to answer but thought maybe someone knew

US media is reporting that in Raqqa alone offensive ,there will be 20,000 so called SDF forces
to capture/(land transfer with hands shake from ISIS) Raqqa. So how many more Rebels should be in IDLIB and Aleppo zone? and all over Syria?

I suggest their numbers have to be in the 50,000. With more than half of them foreigners
like Turkish terrorist, Saudis ,Lybians ,Chinesse ,Chechens ,Africans, Iraquis ,Europeans muslisn ,American muslins etc.

The reason why you see Muslins  terrorist from from China ,from Russia ,is because NATO plans
is to help jihadist extremist gain experience in Syria fighting Russia and Syrian army,so that later they can export those terrorist to Russia and China and start fighting their army their too.

This is very true Vann, for some reason, Russia reason just does, these stupid ceasefires. What they should be doing is pounding the terrorists assholes and killing as many as they can.

The Chinese are just sitting with a finger up their ass and they have no idea, what is coming for them. Russia is killing as many terrorists as they can because they know that these terrorists, will be sent, into Russian territory but the Chinese will find out the hard way, that is better to fight and kill these Zionist, terrorists in a foreign land.

Vann7 wrote:

par far wrote:

Vann7 wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:does anyone know the rough numbers of terrorists and SAA etc in each front, i.e. central Homs, east Hama front, Latakia etc i know this must be a pretty hard question to answer but thought maybe someone knew

US media is reporting that in Raqqa alone offensive ,there will be 20,000 so called SDF forces
to capture/(land transfer with hands shake from ISIS) Raqqa. So how many more Rebels should be in IDLIB and Aleppo zone? and all over Syria?

I suggest their numbers have to be in the 50,000. With more than half of them foreigners
like Turkish terrorist, Saudis ,Lybians ,Chinesse ,Chechens ,Africans, Iraquis ,Europeans muslisn ,American muslins etc.

The reason why you see Muslins  terrorist from from China ,from Russia ,is because NATO plans
is to help jihadist extremist gain experience in Syria fighting Russia and Syrian army,so that later they can export those terrorist to Russia and China and start fighting their army their too.

This is very true Vann, for some reason, Russia reason just does, these stupid ceasefires. What they should be doing is pounding the terrorists assholes and killing as many as they can.

The Chinese are just sitting with a finger up their ass and they have no idea, what is coming for them. Russia is killing as many terrorists as they can because they know that these terrorists, will be sent, into Russian territory but the Chinese will find out the hard way, that is better to fight and kill these Zionist, terrorists in a foreign land.

Indeed agreed with most of that.
However the cease of fire they are done for political reasons. Putin wants to wait to see who is
Going to win US elections in next week ,and if Trump wins against all odds ,there is a chance Russia could get the help of US ,with the war in Syria. If Trumps wins for whatever reason , and he do the things he told will do.. ie.. Alliance with Russia in Syria war. Then it will make things much much easier for Russia. So Russia wants to minimize as much as possible the risk of direct controtation with Americans until next week elections. this is because if a major war start now between US and Russia ,Obama will have the power to cancel the elections indefinitely until the war with Russia ends. So I think Putin dont want to sabotage Trump elections by helping Hillary position of much more harder policy against Russia ,if start a fight with Americans. After the elections , if hillary wins , i really think we will see the opposite ,that is a major race of Russia to capture Aleppo ,IDLIB before Hillary comes in power in early 2017 . Raqqa is not really important ,those are the less important cities. Syria needs to focus first in securing its big cities first.. Damascus,Aleppo,Homs,Latakia ,and the smaller ones in the way like Hama ,so that Syrian army and Russia will be in a much stronger position . In wars you need first to secure your rear and flanks ,before moving forward to another zone ,other wise you risk to be encircled ,So before moving to Raqqa , Syrian army needs to secure most of Aleppo first and all Latakia and Homs too ,but also Damascus. Later little Syrian army can start moving to the desert zones and eastern parts of Syria like Raqqa that are the less populated.

My major complain about Russia is the tactics they using. Those spy drones are next to useless to combat terrorist.You need attack drones to target terrorist on the spot and not allow them to escape. Russia is missing a lot of opportunities for not using the correct military hardware to counter terrorist in Syria.

US Planners Come Up With 'Plan C' to Bring Syria Under Control


A US scholar has come up with a "Plan C" in Syria aimed at establishing a new interim government in Idlib, geopolitical analyst Tony Cartalucci notes, adding that the plan may allow Washington to take a step closer to breaking Syria apart.

https://sputniknews.com/politics/201611061047113821-syria-assad-us-interim-government/

Vann7 wrote:

My major complain about Russia is the tactics they using. Those spy drones are next to useless to combat terrorist.You need attack drones to target terrorist on the spot and not allow them to escape. Russia is missing a lot of opportunities for not using the correct military hardware to counter terrorist in Syria.

Project Canada wrote:

US Planners Come Up With 'Plan C' to Bring Syria Under Control


A US scholar has come up with a "Plan C" in Syria aimed at establishing a new interim government in Idlib, geopolitical analyst Tony Cartalucci notes, adding that the plan may allow Washington to take a step closer to breaking Syria apart.

https://sputniknews.com/politics/201611061047113821-syria-assad-us-interim-government/

Russia needs to do every possible step that is necessary to hasten America's financial and economic collapse! Yes global chaos and power vacum would follow but its the only way to put an end to America's  malicious and evil actions towards Russia. It is important for Russians to realize this fact to prepare  themselves for future American aggression and learn how to adequately  respond to such provocations.

Project Canada wrote:

Vann7 wrote:

My major complain about Russia is the tactics they using. Those spy drones are next to useless to combat terrorist.You need attack drones to target terrorist on the spot and not allow them to escape. Russia is missing a lot of opportunities for not using the correct military hardware to counter terrorist in Syria.

This is a really missed opportunity  indeed for Russians to test their strike drones  thats allegedly  been in development  for years! Whatever happened to the "Altius"? A couple of years ago its already been shown publicly  with Medvedev visiting the plant producing them, then theres a satellite  footage of the said uav in an airfield  performing tests, years has passed and not a single info has been released  since.

lots of medium, strike capable uavs are also reportedly  in "development" but all we can see right now are all those light reconnaissance  uavs like the Orlan, etc. So i dont really see the reason why the Russian military is too secretive of their heavier strike  capable uavs and  not deploying them in hotspots like in Syria, Unless their development  is just hotair and no real progress are really being made which is a disaster if true..,

par far wrote:

calm wrote:Today #SDF Operation "Wrath of the Euphrates" to capture Raqqa from #ISIS started. More than 30,000 SDF fighters will take part.
It's estimated around 20-30,000 fighters will be fighting under SDF umbrella for the capture of Raqqa, which is 2x the force used for Manbij

#Raqqa - SDF already liberated 5 villages and advanced 10km since yesterday evening. (ANHA)

This is just a stupid move by Russia, Russia should have went for Al-Raqqa, 6-7 months ago, now the NATO will have Al-Raqqa.

d_taddei2 wrote:

par far wrote:

calm wrote:Today #SDF Operation "Wrath of the Euphrates" to capture Raqqa from #ISIS started. More than 30,000 SDF fighters will take part.
It's estimated around 20-30,000 fighters will be fighting under SDF umbrella for the capture of Raqqa, which is 2x the force used for Manbij

#Raqqa - SDF already liberated 5 villages and advanced 10km since yesterday evening. (ANHA)

This is just a stupid move by Russia, Russia should have went for Al-Raqqa, 6-7 months ago, now the NATO will have Al-Raqqa.

I suppose the only good thing out of this is that ISIS will be drawing all its forces to the Northern Raqqa front, which will hopefully ease the pressure on Palmyra, and Deir Ez Zoir front as they start to lose ground and terrorists. My only concern is if they lose Raqqa they may in a last grasp of holding on to Syria is launch a full scale push towards to Deir Ez Zoir and the USA will let ISIS terrorists flee Raqqa without being intercepted. We might see ISIS finally make a deal with the Syrian government to ask to be transferred from Yamouk camp and Al-Suwayda to Raqqa.