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Rmf wrote:i think its wrong to call this a corvette , its the size of krivak frigate....
PapaDragon wrote:Rmf wrote:i think its wrong to call this a corvette , its the size of krivak frigate....
Gorshkov is frigate even though it easily qualifies as destroyer and Zumvalt is destroyer even though it is practically full scale cruiser or battlecruiser.
This is new era with new rules it seems.
SeigSoloyvov wrote:PapaDragon wrote:Rmf wrote:i think its wrong to call this a corvette , its the size of krivak frigate....
Gorshkov is frigate even though it easily qualifies as destroyer and Zumvalt is destroyer even though it is practically full scale cruiser or battlecruiser.
This is new era with new rules it seems.
Which DD you comparing it to and why exactly?.
PapaDragon wrote:SeigSoloyvov wrote:PapaDragon wrote:Rmf wrote:i think its wrong to call this a corvette , its the size of krivak frigate....
Gorshkov is frigate even though it easily qualifies as destroyer and Zumvalt is destroyer even though it is practically full scale cruiser or battlecruiser.
This is new era with new rules it seems.
Which DD you comparing it to and why exactly?.
Sovremennyy size-wise but capability-wise it is way superior. Doesn't lag too much behind Udaloi as well.
Ant it outguns both of them.
GarryB wrote:Good point George... with improvements in AESA radars and SAMs and with universal missile launchers like UKSK and vessel in the Russian Navy can pretend to be a destroyer or cruiser even when they are a corvette.
What surprises me is that the space where there are two quad angled launchers for Uran, they could have put a UKSK launcher with much bigger missiles.
The only issue is the depth of such launchers would effect the design of the ship down several decks but I think if they only put in one 8 tube launcher there should be space at each side to walk around the launchers to get to the front or rear of the ship...
this design seems to have the maximum internal space for systems and equipment with its enormous box like structure. Fitting embedded antennas for AESA radars and other sensors is the best compromise for low RCS and situational awareness too.
Rmf wrote:but why redut in front of the gun, not behind it like it is a usual setup?
and if the claims of new pantsir-m are true and has 40km range missiles, why bother.
put 2 naval pantcir there and you have good medium and close AA you want, with many more missiles ,then no need for redut nore a gun and no dedicated ciws - freeing lot of internal space ,and no need for troublesome poliment aesa since pantcir has his own radar.
Rmf wrote:if its 120km redut.... but its probably 50 km missiles since radar has 70km guidance. also radars seem low and missiles launch exaust might disturb or damage them if it is close.
Anyway in my opinion -2 pantcir with 24 missiles and 4*30mm ciws guns is much better for corvete.
Evil Russian propaganda film, just a dream............................oh waitRmf wrote:so how many those large containers can it carry? 1? why not space for 2?
.....and if it has a container then it cant have helicopter onboard?
old video but very good.
yes i know but 2 main threats low flying airplanes and cruise missiles since that radar horizont is 50-60 meters at 40 km away..... so anyway redut range is further reduced to be comparable to pantcir s .PapaDragon wrote:Rmf wrote:if its 120km redut.... but its probably 50 km missiles since radar has 70km guidance. also radars seem low and missiles launch exaust might disturb or damage them if it is close.
Anyway in my opinion -2 pantcir with 24 missiles and 4*30mm ciws guns is much better for corvete.
Pantsir is already on small missile boats (22800) so corvette would go with something bigger.
Although given the size of this thing it is already hard to figure out if it is overgrown corvette or mini frigate.
flamming_python wrote:The Steregushchys were expensive for what they were and the Gremyaschys even more so.
Having a new light corvette with decent range makes sense. If Kalibrs are needed then there are plenty of other vessels with that capability.
Yes but look closely at the container handling system, lengths, positions & think how you would go about shuffling the containers.Pay close attention of how those motor boats for special forces are launched. The ship can accommodate at least 3 of those