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dino00 wrote:Russia will not conduct the MAKS in 2019

His place in the list of exhibitions took the International Naval Salon in St. Petersburg

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6221871

 hope its a misunderstanding

Cancellation news

The news "Russia will not conduct the MAKS in 2019", released on tass.ru at 14:50 Moscow time, is canceled as issued incorrectly. TASS apologizes to its subscribers and readers.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6221871

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

dino00 wrote:Russia will not conduct the MAKS in 2019

His place in the list of exhibitions took the International Naval Salon in St. Petersburg

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6221871

 hope its a misunderstanding

Cancellation news

The news "Russia will not conduct the MAKS in 2019", released on tass.ru at 14:50 Moscow time, is canceled as issued incorrectly. TASS apologizes to its subscribers and readers.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6221871

So the cancellation is cancelled?

GarryB wrote:So the cancellation is cancelled?

more less seems that Tass was afraid fake news legal responsibility

Cool news. Pity they dont plan to mount such rockets on Terminator 2

Tochmash: Russian unguided aircraft rockets will receive control units

https://ria.ru/20190329/1552211633.html

MOSCOW, March 29 - RIA News. Special units that make unguided aircraft missiles controlled are being created in Russia, said Valery Makeyev, managing director of the enterprise-developer of this project at Nudelman Design Bureau named after Nudelman, in an interview with RIA Novosti.
“Due to the fact that the effectiveness of unguided missiles is quite low, today there is the task of improving them with minimal use of time and material resources. To this end, we are working on a project to create separate control units for already existing unguided missiles, which in recent years have produced hundreds of thousands.” , - he said.

Makeev explained that the possibility of installing a block with a semi-active laser homing head on the unguided rocket just before launch, based on the assigned combat mission, is currently being worked out.
"As a result, we should get a large-scale batch of guided missiles without serious financial and time costs for conducting new research and development work," the agency’s source said.

Target seeker is not enough. You need powered rudders to control the thing.

In the last years modern planes/helis needed in average just 2 unguided rockets to destroy a target. This upgrade has to be really cheap to be worthwile.

https://aviation21.ru/zavod-aviakor-mozhet-nachat-vypusk-produkcii-oak/

Aviakor plant may start production for UAC

Posted by 11.06.2019 | @AviaRu |  53

The Samara Aviakor Aviation Plant (part of the Russian Machines holding, controlled by Oleg Deripaska) may be placed under the control of the United Aircraft Building Corporation and begin production of UAC products. Reports about itTasswith reference to the press service of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Samara Region.

The main problem of the aircraft factory is debt in the amount of about 2 billion rubles. Basically, this is an unearned advance payment by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation for the supply of five An-140-100 aircraft due to force majeure circumstances related to events in Ukraine, Mikhail Zhdanov, Minister of Industry and Trade of the Samara Region, said earlier.

According to the governor of the Samara region, Dmitry Azarov, the integration of the aircraft factory with the UAC would give a new impetus to the development of the enterprise.

“In my opinion, it would be extremely important for the enterprise itself to become a member of the UAC. This, of course, would give Aviakor a new impulse for development. A working group to consider this possibility was created, but the work was suspended because the UAC had a transformation stage. But I hope that we will return to this issue together with the owner, the work of this group will be resumed, "Azarov said.

The governor stressed that the plant needs new projects. "Now the company performs work commissioned by the Ministry of Defense. First, this is a fairly small segment, and secondly, it will end sometime. We need new projects, new machines for the company to develop," Azarov said.

“I speak very carefully - not about the form of this integration, but about the integration itself. In my opinion, the future dynamic development of the aircraft factory is possible only with its account,” said the governor.

Aviakor is one of the largest Russian aircraft manufacturing enterprises. Included in the corporation "Russian Machines", which unites the engineering assets of the group "Basic Element". In 2015, Aviakor suspended the An-140 aircraft production program due to the refusal of Ukraine’s leadership to cooperate with Russia in the field of aircraft manufacturing. Earlier, the plant produced the most massive Soviet jet passenger aircraft Tu-154.

Now, after Aviakor in Samara, I hope that they rebuild a big aircraft factory in Saratov,where the "yak" where build (criminals bankrupted and destroyed the factory).

They even build a mall in one of the building and a factory for producing thermal insulating pyr-slabs in the former assembly shop of the plant.

https://pirrogroup.ru/news/10-zapusk-proizvodstva-na-ploschadke-saratovskogo-aviacionnogo-zavoda.html

They should kick out the mall and offer a relocation of this insulating material factory somewhere else, making a sort of offer they can't refuse at first, and then force them out badly if.they refuse.

The aircraft plant in Saratov used to have up to 30000 employees at its peak and even had its own airport, an hospital and a stadium.

A few more links

https://news.sarbc.ru/main/2016/04/14/182153.html

https://nversia.ru/news/esche-odno-bomboubezhische-saza-reshili-vernut-v-sobstvennost-gosudarstva/

The Arbitration Court of the Saratov Region issued a decision on the suit of the territorial administration of the Federal Property Management Agency against OOO “TV Reka”. According to the document, the Federal Property Agency of the courts required to recognize the absence of the right of ownership "TV River" on the non-residential building ( shelter ) of the Saratov Aviation Plant area of 2.4 thousand square meters

https://nversia.ru/news/chinovniki-pytayutsya-izyat-u-tc-oranzhevyy-16-zemelnyh-uchastkov-na-kotoryh-ranee-raspolagalsya-saz/

Officials are trying to withdraw from the shopping center "Orange" 16 plots of land, which previously located SAZ

June 10, 2019, 17:13

Cool news. Pity they dont plan to mount such rockets on Terminator 2

Tochmash: Russian unguided aircraft rockets will receive control units

Actually those new square modular rocket pods they have shown would be an ideal replacement for the ATAKA missiles on the Terminator series of vehicles... I would imagine a combination of 80mm rocket pods and a few 122mm rocket pods would be the ideal combination for hitting point targets on the ground and in the air out to quite good ranges...

Target seeker is not enough. You need powered rudders to control the thing.

I suspect the added components will include both a seeker and steering mechanism to direct the flight of the rocket to where the sensor detects the target is located...

The S-25 unguided rocket has something similar in the laser homing S-25L model, and the Glonass guidance systems for standard 152mm artillery shells includes an electronic fuse, a Glonass guidance package and control fins to steer the round to the point of aim calculated by the guidance component... with target input before launch.

In the last years modern planes/helis needed in average just 2 unguided rockets to destroy a target. This upgrade has to be really cheap to be worthwile.

Well no, you are missing the point... with unguided 80mm rockets you pretty much have to fly within 2km of the target to assured getting a hit and even then it will mostly be a near miss... but unguided rockets are generally used against area targets any way so the point is moot because you would normally fire a volley of rockets to get a good spread around the area the targets are located.

With this guidance package instead of flying within HMG range you can hold back and loft a rocket ballisticly towards the enemy light truck say 6-7km away and use the terminal guidance to get a hit with one rocket.

The distance would normally be great for the helo as it minimises return fire but they don't do it because the chances of a hit would be zero.

With guidance the chances of a hit are very high even from extended (safe) ranges.

As mentioned above it means any vehicle with a laser target marker... which in the Russian military pretty much means all of them can launch rockets at targets on the battlefield on ballistic max range paths and still get hits... imagine in Syria a group of Spec Forces being attacked... they might each have thermal night vision scopes with laser target markers that can be used out to 5-6km from their location... a Terminator vehicle or UAV equipped with rocket pods flying at enormous altitudes could launch rockets to where they are and those troops can select their own targets by marking them with their lasers... the same guidance equipment could be fitted to 5kg HE frag bombs for high altitude release from small UCAVs that could carry 100 weapons plus externally mounted rocket pods of 57mm and 80mm and 122mm calibre able to engage an enormous range of targets... 57mm rockets could carry a 1kg HE payload to destroy a light vehicle or car... 80mm rockets could carry warheads up to 16kgs and take out light armour and 122mm rockets and bigger could be used to take on concrete bunkers... the 122mm rockets were developed to destroy hardened aircraft shelters and destroy the contents so most models have an armour piercing first warhead and a secondary HE fragmentation warhead to stir up the contents... ideal for medium armoured vehicles or heavy ones from the side or rear...


This will be transformational for ground robots and IFVs and tank support vehicles like the Terminator... they can have long range very accurate point target capable weapons that are relatively cheap... hell they could probably make man portable rocket launchers too... use faster burning solid fuel so they have burned out the rocket propellent before it leaves the tube... and of course there is no reason why you would be restricted to aviation rockets only... fit the guidance systems to RPG-22 and RPG-29 rockets as well as RPG-32 and RPG-31, not to mention the little Grad rockets from those little 12 tube things you tow behind vehicles... set one of those up a couple of kms from the target and point it at the centre and then fire rockets remotely and as they approach a low flying tiny UAV could mark targets for a precision strike without ever having to cut the perimeter fence... the Russians have TOR and Pantsir... what will the west have to stop such an attack and how many billions of dollars will they need to spend on more missiles to deal with such cheap threats...

Aviakor plant may start production for UAC

That would be good, perhaps if they made Tu-154s and were going to make An-140s then making Il-112s and Il-276s would be good... and perhaps even help boost production of Il-476s too and then change to produce Il-276s... it would not surprise me if there were not a few orders for brand new Il-476 aircraft these days as existing Il-76s would be getting a bit old by now, and there would be a few countries wanting to replace their C-130s or An-12s with a new faster plane like the Il-276... commonality with Il-76 and Il-476s would be likely rather appreciated in terms of servicing...

But there are lot of new planes that need to be made in numbers, so I suspect there should be no problem finding work for them to do...

Hopefully they build brand new state of the art factories and facilities to do their new work rather than try to reclaim old likely stripped out facilities...

GarryB wrote:(...)
But there are lot of new planes that need to be made in numbers, so I suspect there should be no problem finding work for them to do...

Hopefully they build brand new state of the art factories and facilities to do their new work rather than try to reclaim old likely stripped out facilities...

that is what I hope they do, not only at Aviakor on Samara, but also in Saratov... too bad for the original buildings and assembly shop that got destroyed but they need new modern ones... it can be a good opportunity to start anew, after kicking out those who wanted to profit of protected federal land with the help of corrupt officials...

it can be a good opportunity to start anew, after kicking out those who wanted to profit of protected federal land with the help of corrupt officials...

I would be harder on the corrupt officials for allowing it to happen... most businessmen want to get things cheap to maximise profit, but certainly make sure they pay their taxes in full...

RTI tested a prototype model of a radiophotonic radar of a new generation

As the group general director Maxim Kuziuk said, the task now is to create a simulation and modeling stand and improve the hardware and software of the locator

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6598983

A couple of additional articles about the former Saratov Aviation plant. I still hope it will be rebuilt and they start there some production lines for both civil and military aircrafts. The fact that they destroyed the previous plant was bad, but not that bad to abort.the idea of rebuilding.the plant as it would be anyway in need of a deep modernisation.

https://nversia.ru/news/aleksandr-bernadskiy-ob-imuschestve-saza-eto-tolko-nachalo-seychas-potihonku-zanimayutsya-zemley-a-potom-poydut-na-sooruzheniya/

Alexander Bernadsky about the property of SAZ: “This is just the beginning. Now they are slowly engaged in land, and then they will go to the facilities ”

July 4, 2019

Saratov news agency on June 10, 2019 published the newsabout the process of seizure of land from the Orange shopping center that began in the Arbitration Court of the Saratov Region. More precisely, we are talking about 16 plots of land adjacent to the shopping center.

As is known, the shopping center itself and the land next to it are the former property of the Saratov Aviation Plant, which closed in 2012 as a result of bankruptcy. Now they are trying to return this territory to state ownership.
https://nversia.ru/news/v-pravitelstve-nashli-otvetstvennogo-za-vozvraschenie-saratovskogo-aviacionnogo-zavoda/
 

https://regnum.ru/news/society/2659403.html

"It's just horror." How to destroy the aircraft factory Saratov, "dirty" land: an interview.

Serdyukov: aircraft industry is likely to face large-scale reform

The RIA Novosti news agency, under the heading "Anatoly Serdyukov: the aircraft industry is likely to expect large-scale reform," published an interview with Anatoly Serdyukov, director of the aviation cluster of Rostec State Corporation
Aircraft manufacturing in Russia is at a turning point: the United Aircraft Corporation is entering Rostec, the combat, transport, strategic and civil aviation divisions are being formed, and enterprises are being audited. Anatoly Serdyukov, head of the Rostec State Aviation Cluster, during an MAKS-2019 air show, gave an interview to RIA Novosti Alexei Panshin, in which he talked about a possible large-scale reform of the industry, about reductions in managers at the UAC, as well as about the timing of creating the “second stage” engine for Su -57.

Ι have selected below the questions-answers part related to military aviation


- Anatoly Eduardovich, how is the UAC joining Rostec going? When will all necessary activities be completed? Do you meet deadlines?

- Now there is an audit and assessment of UAC enterprises, we expect to complete these processes by the end of the year. The legal completion of the asset transfer is planned for the second quarter of 2020.

- Have you signed a contract with China to create a new generation heavy helicopter AHL? If not, when is signing expected?

- Russian Helicopters and Avicopter have indeed completed negotiations on a contract for the creation of a heavy helicopter and agreed on all contract documents. Now the contract is undergoing approval by the government of the People’s Republic of China. We look forward to signing it soon.

- At what stage of the second stage engine test for the Su-57? When will they be completed and when will it be installed on production aircraft?

- The creation of the second stage engine for the Su-57 aircraft is planned to be completed within the time agreed upon with the customer. At the moment, prototypes of the engine are being tested, resource and special types of tests are being conducted. Installation on production aircraft will be possible after the completion of the OCD.

- Is OCD open for a promising combat helicopter? If not, when is it planned to open it?

- Development work on the creation of a promising combat helicopter has not yet been opened. Earlier, the Russian Helicopters holding successfully completed research work to determine the appearance of a promising combat helicopter. As a result, the customer chose the classic "Milevskaya" one, and negotiations are underway for further stages of work. Their terms will depend on the decision of the Russian Ministry of Defense.

- There was information that the Ministry of Defense and Russian Helicopters could not agree on the price of the Mi-28NM. How was this issue settled in the end? Holding made concessions to the main customer?

- The price of any product, especially such a high-tech as a new combat helicopter, always consists of many components. Last but not least, the question depends on the supply of many participants in the cooperation - in particular, engines, electronic equipment, weapons systems and other expensive components. Russian Helicopters Holding has carried out the relevant work together with suppliers, which allowed the final price to be approved for products that suit both the customer and the manufacturer.

- What is happening with the contract for the supply of India 48 Mi-17V-5 helicopters planned for signing? Will it be signed or not? If yes, then when?

- The contract is not signed. Deliveries of the Mi-17V-5 will begin immediately after signing the contract and in accordance with the delivery schedule agreed by the parties. The project itself has already been agreed.

- Recently, Sergey Chemezov announced that the engine for Ansat will be ready in four years. Are the terms too ambitious?

- This is a realistic timeline. UEC started developing a new helicopter engine in the 400-700 horsepower class in 2018, the project is moving on schedule. The engine will be designed for installation on light Ka-226, Ansat type multipurpose helicopters, as well as on promising foreign platforms with a take-off weight of 3-3.6 tons. Its certification is scheduled for 2023.

- Alexander Inozemtsev reported that it is planned to create an engine for the An-124 Ruslan based on the gas generator of the promising PD-35. When will such an engine be created? What will it be called?

- It’s too early to talk about specific dates and the name of the engine. Indeed, the unified gas generator being developed for the PD-35 will have all the necessary characteristics to create a power plant for the An-124 Ruslan on its basis. But, let me remind you, his trials will begin only in 2021. At the same time, the UEC has all the necessary scientific, technical and production potential in order to ensure the development and creation of such a power plant.

- When will an engine be created for a promising supersonic aircraft based on the Tu-160, the creation of which Putin ordered to begin? Will it be a fundamentally new power plant or will an existing motor be taken as the basis?

- At the moment, talking about the creation of such an engine is premature, the task of developing it has not been set. Note that UEC has all the necessary scientific and technical potential to create a power plant for such an aircraft. In the case of setting such a task, the corporation is ready to create a highly efficient power plant using all the advanced technologies mastered in the implementation of other projects.

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3763245.html

KB Mil and Kamov to be merged under the name ‘National Centre for Helicopter Engineering’

The decision, made by the board of directors of parent company Russian Helicopters, will see the companies rebranded in 2020 and the merger completed before the end of 2022. Although the process will result in the two business units operating as one legal entity, Russian Helicopters will retain the ‘Mi’ and ‘Ka’ designations used by their respective aircraft, and the design centres of both families of helicopter will remain independent of one another.

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3806613.html

So basically they are trimming the managers and keeping the two separate development bureaus... that sounds good because it means they will keep their skills in different areas and be able to continue to upgrade and develop their different products....

RSK MiG and Sukhoi companies will be merged

As Interfax news agency reported on February 6, 2020, the MiG and Sukhoi companies will unite in the structure of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) JSC for the development and production of all Russian combat aircraft. This was reported in the press service of the corporation.

bmpd side, on April 1, 2017, as an April Fool’s joke, posted a similar “news” about the merger of the MiG and Sukhoi companies lol

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3925386.html

More details: https://www.pravdareport.com/news/business/144309-sukhoi_mig/

https://topwar.ru/167557-smertonosnoe-oruzhie-rossija-uspeshno-moderniziruet-mig-31-i-tu-22.html

This is like merging Adidas and Puma. Or Coke and Pepsi.

Many Western aircraft manufacturers merged too:
https://www.britannica.com/technology/aerospace-industry/Helicopters

I put this photo in the Exports to Algeria thread. But it is of more interest than that.

I can count 14 airframes in it, some are obvious but some not. What can you see?

13 su24 and 1 mig29. 6 su-24 are algerians. Maybe the mig-29 is also algerian, not sure but I think they wanted to upgrade them.

The other su24 could be used for spare parts and are out of service since long time.

Su-24 & MiG-29.

What are the 3 sand camo airframes on the left?

JohninMK wrote:What are the 3 sand camo airframes on the left?

Algerian su24 with desert camo. You can google "akgerian su24" and see them.