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Ship composition of the Russian Navy (warships of 1-2 rank, NK - from 2000 tons full.) On 01/02/2019
https://navy-korabel.livejournal.com/201273.html
https://navy-korabel.livejournal.com/201273.html
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Guard ship "Neustrashimy" will complete repairs in 2019
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3524764.html
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3524764.html
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pity
Creation of an ocean corvette with 24 "Calibers" put off to the back
Consideration of the issue of starting substantive work on the concept of a corvette of the ocean zone, proposed by the Krylov State Research Center (KGNC) in 2017, was postponed to the mid-2020s. About this Mil.Press FlotProm told a knowledgeable industry source.
"Due to the lack of funds and the development of the construction of the corvettes of the project 20386, the decision to create a corvette on the basis of the KGNC concept will be adopted closer to the end of the current state armaments program," the source said.
A concept project of a multi-purpose ship of the subclass "Corvette" was created in the advanced design department of combat surface ships of the Krylov center. It combines powerful strike armament - 24 vertical launch installations for the “Caliber” - with good seaworthiness, which will allow the corvette to work in the ocean zone. The frigates of the project 22350 type "Admiral Gorshkov" carry only 16 "Caliber".
According to the creators of the promising corvette, the construction of such ships should be carried out in a large series using assembly units. The latter will speed up the construction.
The source of Mil.Press FlotProm in the Almaz Central Design Bureau said that the concept-project of the Krylov Center does not compete with the development of the bureau: "Naval science moves independently; tests in the KGNTs basins ". The interviewee was skeptical about the possibility of translating the concept into reality.
According to the creator of the corvette, the head of the advanced design department for surface warships of the Krylov Center, Valentin Belonenko, the sailors got acquainted with the concept of the ship. Belonenko stressed the high nautical qualities of the corvette. He also noted that the technical solutions that emerged during the development of the concept were used in the construction of one of the newest ships of the Russian Navy.
Help Mil.Press FlotProm
The displacement of the prospective corvette is 2000–2500 tons. The ship’s air defenses are provided by 16 long-range anti-aircraft missiles and 32 short-range ones. It is also equipped with a universal 100-mm automatic gun mount and two 30-mm six- or twelve-barreled rapid-fire anti-aircraft artillery systems. Anti-submarine armament and anti-torpedo protection are represented by two four-tube torpedo tubes “Packet-NK” of 324 mm caliber. Strike armament - 24 Caliber cruise missiles. According to the creators of the concept, their number can be increased if necessary.
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GunshipDemocracy wrote: pity ....
Creation of an ocean corvette with 24 "Calibers" put off to the back
..........
I am flabbergasted they were even considering it with 20380, 20385 and 20386 in assembly simultaneously
So we can add Anime-class corvette to the list of Krylov's Anime-series vaporware alongside Anime-class destroyer and 2 different Anime-class carriers
Although who knows, maybe they are just ''unsure'' again?
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PapaDragon wrote:
So we can add Anime-class corvette to the list of Krylov's Anime-series vaporware alongside Anime-class destroyer and 2 different Anime-class carriers
Although who knows, maybe they are just ''unsure'' again?
anime Lider which is going to series ?
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GunshipDemocracy wrote:PapaDragon wrote:
So we can add Anime-class corvette to the list of Krylov's Anime-series vaporware alongside Anime-class destroyer and 2 different Anime-class carriers
Although who knows, maybe they are just ''unsure'' again?
anime Lider which is going to series ?
It's definitely not
And if by some miracle they do start building destroyer it will not look like that early 2000s fanart
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Lots of missiles tubes is a good thing, but at the end of the day these are war ships that will spend 90% of their operational lives just doing normal things, so onboard comfort and room and food and fuel supplies also need to allow for comfort and reasonable deployment times, and of course good sea keeping is a must.
I remember a friend of mine bought a model F-16 that came with a lot of missiles as options but he decided they must all go on at once... so he attached missiles and bombs everywhere... and I mean everywhere... including the vertical tip of the tail had a Sparrow, and the horizontal tips of the tailaerons... he even put weapon pylons on top of the wings... it just looked silly... and if it could have flown would have been a real dog.
I remember a friend of mine bought a model F-16 that came with a lot of missiles as options but he decided they must all go on at once... so he attached missiles and bombs everywhere... and I mean everywhere... including the vertical tip of the tail had a Sparrow, and the horizontal tips of the tailaerons... he even put weapon pylons on top of the wings... it just looked silly... and if it could have flown would have been a real dog.
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PapaDragon wrote: It's definitely not
anime
non-anime
And if by some miracle they do start building destroyer it will not look like that early 2000s fanart
hmm seriously i fail to see fan-art difference
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GarryB wrote:Lots of missiles tubes is a good thing, but at the end of the day these are war ships that will spend 90% of their operational lives just doing normal things, so onboard comfort and room and food and fuel supplies also need to allow for comfort and reasonable deployment times, and of course good sea keeping is a must.
is there anything that this ship is missing? 20380 had poor sea worthiness this one good.
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GunshipDemocracy wrote:pity
Creation of an ocean corvette with 24 "Calibers" put off to the back
Consideration of the issue of starting substantive work on the concept of a corvette of the ocean zone, proposed by the Krylov State Research Center (KGNC) in 2017, was postponed to the mid-2020s. About this Mil.Press FlotProm told a knowledgeable industry source.
"Due to the lack of funds and the development of the construction of the corvettes of the project 20386, the decision to create a corvette on the basis of the KGNC concept will be adopted closer to the end of the current state armaments program," the source said.
A concept project of a multi-purpose ship of the subclass "Corvette" was created in the advanced design department of combat surface ships of the Krylov center. It combines powerful strike armament - 24 vertical launch installations for the “Caliber” - with good seaworthiness, which will allow the corvette to work in the ocean zone. The frigates of the project 22350 type "Admiral Gorshkov" carry only 16 "Caliber".
According to the creators of the promising corvette, the construction of such ships should be carried out in a large series using assembly units. The latter will speed up the construction.
The source of Mil.Press FlotProm in the Almaz Central Design Bureau said that the concept-project of the Krylov Center does not compete with the development of the bureau: "Naval science moves independently; tests in the KGNTs basins ". The interviewee was skeptical about the possibility of translating the concept into reality.
According to the creator of the corvette, the head of the advanced design department for surface warships of the Krylov Center, Valentin Belonenko, the sailors got acquainted with the concept of the ship. Belonenko stressed the high nautical qualities of the corvette. He also noted that the technical solutions that emerged during the development of the concept were used in the construction of one of the newest ships of the Russian Navy.
Help Mil.Press FlotProm
The displacement of the prospective corvette is 2000–2500 tons. The ship’s air defenses are provided by 16 long-range anti-aircraft missiles and 32 short-range ones. It is also equipped with a universal 100-mm automatic gun mount and two 30-mm six- or twelve-barreled rapid-fire anti-aircraft artillery systems. Anti-submarine armament and anti-torpedo protection are represented by two four-tube torpedo tubes “Packet-NK” of 324 mm caliber. Strike armament - 24 Caliber cruise missiles. According to the creators of the concept, their number can be increased if necessary.
This project developped now makes others redundant, and this is not in the interest of the Russian Ministry of Defense, that has other priorities, like to allow not holes in the development of the current generation of new armament. The delay until the mid-2020s means this project will be developped then with additional improvements as part of the next generation.
You have been reading about this here. Simply the reality comes:
https://www.russiadefence.net/t7631p875-future-russian-aircraft-carriers-3#250364
And this without count the Projects ongoing that would create more redundancies.
https://www.russiadefence.net/t7032p50-sap-2018-2027-arms-procurement#213501
This is what you can expect from the Russian Ministry of Defense if the timeline of the production of the first unit of the Project 23560 and the Project 23000 is not in agreement with the timeline for the current new generation of armament and heavy auxiliary material, creating one or two holes in the generation just in the top of the sea based armament:
1.- After the approval of the Preliminary Design of new aircraft carrier (likely Project 23000), no-one Preliminary Project more of combat or auxiliary ship will be approved until 2026. The projects affected would be the Projects of ships of the second link [#213501], not listed here.
2.- The funding for the development of these future projects of the second link will fall to 0 until 2026.
3.- After the order of the first unit of the new aircraft carrier (likely Project 23000) it will not be new orders of new ships of the current projects in production until 2026.
4.- The funding for the ships under construction today will be more strongly adapted to the real priorities of the Russian Ministry of Defense.
And from the Russian Gouvernment you can expect also consequences for the leadership of the United Shipbuilding Corporation.
The points 1 and 2 explain this new. And this is only the first case.
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KGNTs (Krylovs Scientific Center)work out the contours of prospective destroyer hull
https://sudostroenie.info/novosti/26269.htmlpics below too
https://sudostroenie.info/novosti/26260.html
eehnie wrote:The points 1 and 2 explain this new. And this is only the first case.
mate, more facts/sources less quotes please.
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GunshipDemocracy wrote:\eehnie wrote:
The points 1 and 2 explain this new. And this is only the first case.
mate, more facts/sources less quotes please.
Just because you hate to see predicted things becoming real.
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eehnie wrote:GunshipDemocracy wrote:\eehnie wrote:
The points 1 and 2 explain this new. And this is only the first case.
mate, more facts/sources less quotes please.
Just because you hate to see predicted things becoming real.
Still waiting on anything you ranted about to become real
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Looks a bit like Ulyanovsk...
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LMFS wrote:Looks a bit like Ulyanovsk...
There is a text with the picture. Maybe someone can translate ?
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PapaDragon wrote:Still waiting on anything you ranted about to become real
“PATIENCE YOU MUST HAVE my young padawan"
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Isos wrote:LMFS wrote:Looks a bit like Ulyanovsk...
There is a text with the picture. Maybe someone can translate ?
1) On the blower on this day was the mock aircraft carrying cruiser.
2) In a wind tunnel, several problems are solved. First, how the ship will behave under the wind of various directions and strength. Secondly, how the wind will affect the safety of aircraft to eliminate accidents.
3) For greater visibility of the air flow during the test, smoke is used.
@LMFS - Shtorm/Ulyanovsk are not that far away in design
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tass news article stating the following
tass news article stating the following
KUBINKA, March 20. /TASS/. The United Shipbuilding Corporation will provide 16 new combat ships for the Russian Navy this year, USC President Alexei Rakhmanov told a business conference at the theme park Patriot near Moscow on Wednesday.
"We are going to deliver to the Navy another 16 top-notch vessels," Rakhmanov said.
Earlier, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said that the Navy this year was to get seven new combat ships, including four submarines and seven repaired ones.
more:
http://tass.com/defense/1049534
any ideas of whats getting delivered this year including the repaired ones????
KUBINKA, March 20. /TASS/. The United Shipbuilding Corporation will provide 16 new combat ships for the Russian Navy this year, USC President Alexei Rakhmanov told a business conference at the theme park Patriot near Moscow on Wednesday.
"We are going to deliver to the Navy another 16 top-notch vessels," Rakhmanov said.
Earlier, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said that the Navy this year was to get seven new combat ships, including four submarines and seven repaired ones.
more:
http://tass.com/defense/1049534
any ideas of whats getting delivered this year including the repaired ones????
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http://tass.com/defense/1052802/amp?__twitter_impression=true
Two frigates, two amphibious ships to be laid down April 23
Two frigates, two amphibious ships to be laid down April 23
MOSCOW, April 9. /TASS/. Two frigates of project 22350 and two amphibious assault ships of project 11711 for the Russian Navy will be laid down at shipyards in St. Petersburg and Kaliningrad on April 23, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said on Tuesday.
"On April 23, several blue water ships will be laid - two frigates of project 22350 at the Svernaya Verf (Northern Shipyard) in St. Petersburg and two amphibious assault ships of project 11711 at the Yantar shipyard in Kaliningrad," Shoigu said at a distance conference on Tuesday.
"Alongside this the Northern Shipyard will couple two major hull units of the project 20386 corvette. It will be named after the military brig The Merkuriy, whose heroic feat will turn 190 in May," Shoigu said.
The frigates, amphibious assault ships and the frigate are to be provided for the Navy by 2025.
The Russian Navy currently has only one frigate of project 22350 - The Admiral Gorshkov, which entered service in July 2018. It is expected that the Russian military in December 2019 will receive a second ship of this type - The Admiral Kasatonov. The Northern Shipyard is building two more frigates of project 22350.
In June 2018, one amphibious assault ship of project 11711, The Ivan Gren, went operational. The Yantar shipyard is building another same type ship, The Pyotr Morgunov. The shipyard’s CEO Eduard Yefimov said at a certain point that the series of these ships would not be continued, but at the end of December 2018 the president of the United Shipbuilding Corporation, Alexei Rakhmanov, said that the Russian Navy would get another two or three ships of the same type, built according to an upgraded project.
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Well atleast they are finally making more frigates hopefully it doesn't take them over six years to get these ships out.
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Agreed, and i suspect this is a confirmation that their indigenous MGTs have now passed muster and the RuN is prepared to order new hulls as a consequence.SeigSoloyvov wrote:Well atleast they are finally making more frigates hopefully it doesn't take them over six years to get these ships out.
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That is probably also the reason why they decided to sell to India the other frigates. It was not convenient to spend. a lot of money and time to move to Russia the production of the engine used in the 11356 frigates (older generation naval gas turbines), and it was probably unpractical and too expensive to try to adapt the hulls already built to a different powerplant.Big_Gazza wrote:Agreed, and i suspect this is a confirmation that their indigenous MGTs have now passed muster and the RuN is prepared to order new hulls as a consequence.SeigSoloyvov wrote:Well atleast they are finally making more frigates hopefully it doesn't take them over six years to get these ships out.
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Russian naval construction
Via Twitter:
President Putin to visit Severnaya Verf shipyard at SPb today:
-2x22350 frigate keel-laying ceremony
-mating of 20386 corvette hull parts.
Edit:
Putin to visit Sevmash for Belgorod sub (Poseidon UUV carrier) launch ceremony today as well. Some pain-soothing balm for navyphiles' scars.
- Launch of Belgorod special purpose submarine at Sevmash
BTW
Also today
- 2x11711 large landing ships keel-laying at Yantar (Kaliningrad)
The day after tommorow:
- 22800 second ship Sovetsk to be launched at Pella
President Putin to visit Severnaya Verf shipyard at SPb today:
-2x22350 frigate keel-laying ceremony
-mating of 20386 corvette hull parts.
Edit:
Putin to visit Sevmash for Belgorod sub (Poseidon UUV carrier) launch ceremony today as well. Some pain-soothing balm for navyphiles' scars.
- Launch of Belgorod special purpose submarine at Sevmash
BTW
Also today
- 2x11711 large landing ships keel-laying at Yantar (Kaliningrad)
The day after tommorow:
- 22800 second ship Sovetsk to be launched at Pella