Russian Naval Construction Plans and Numbers

Finally some good news

Is that Belgorod?
I kinda assumed it was going to lose the missile hatches with the upgrade, wonder if it still has missile tubes too?

It's not modernized Belgorod I think. Even silhuette of the ceremony features normal Antey sub only.



At the same time the Chinese had 70th anniversary of PLAN ceremony. Squadron of 18 foreign ships from 13 countries was led by Gorshkov.



Edit:

The boss has spoken: https://twitter.com/i/status/1120719123338731520

Key words:

- Russian presence in world oceans
- and distant sea zone
- fast pace of ship construction in last years will be maintained

Those 24 launch tubes for Granit should have three missile sleeves in each tube for Calibr or Onyx...

verkhoturye51 wrote:...
- fast pace of ship construction in last years will be maintained

Hopefully not, so far it's been a disaster

It would be advisable to speed it up

Updated diagram of ships under construction
http://charly015.blogspot.com/2019/04/actualizando-el-grafico-de-los-buques-y.html

Purple = launched but not complete/in service yet.

hoom wrote:Updated diagram of ships under construction
http://charly015.blogspot.com/2019/04/actualizando-el-grafico-de-los-buques-y.html

Purple = launched but not complete/in service yet.

I love how they made Khabarovsk smaller in this diagram than Lada-class even though it's a modified Borei SSBN...

medo wrote:

Interesting view of the naval use of UAV's around 22:00.

Since 2012, more than 80 ships and boats have entered service. We publish the list:

On April 23, 2019, at a ceremonial event in St. Petersburg on the occasion of the laying of new warships, it was reported that from 2012 to the present, more than 80 ships and boats, including three strategic missile submarines, were handed over to the armament. This statement caused interesting discussions and discussions in public circles, as many believe that this figure is too high. In this regard, it will be interesting to consider the completion of our Navy since 2012 and to see whether our fleet has really accepted more than 80 combat units.

For starters, it should be noted separately that quite often many analysts and experts in the military field, analyzing the update of our fleet, take into account only large warships and submarines, well, suppose everything that has a displacement of 1000 tons and above, justifying it by that only these units are able to solve problems in the far sea zone and pose a serious threat to the enemy. In addition, often forget about the ships and boats for special purposes. This is fundamentally wrong, since each combat unit, starting from a boat, has its own range of tasks and mission. Moreover, a ship / boat enrolled in the Navy by order of the Navy GC is considered a military unit of the Navy, it is given a combat flag - the flag of the Navy (Andreevsky) and this unit is credited to a particular base / unit. Therefore, ignoring, say, patrol / anti-sabotage or amphibious boats is a deep mistake. The following is a list of ships and boats of all projects submitted to the Russian Navy from 01/01/2012 to the present (we confine ourselves to the date 04/23/2019 - at the time of the announcement of the figures):

1). Project 955 CPSW-535 "Yury Dolgoruky" - adopted in the Northern Fleet in 2012.

2). K-550 SSBN “Alexander Nevsky” of Project 955 - adopted in the Pacific Fleet in 2013.

3). The K-551 SSBN "Vladimir Monomakh" of Project 955 was accepted into the Pacific Fleet in 2014.

4). APKR K-560 "Severodvinsk" project 885 - adopted in the Northern Fleet in 2013.

5). Diesel-electric submarines B-260 "Novorossiysk" project 06363 - was accepted into the BSF in 2014.

6). The diesel-electric submarines B-237 "Rostov-on-Don" project 06363 - was accepted into the BSF in 2014.

7). Diesel Substation B-262 "Old Oskol" project 06363 - was accepted into the BSF in 2015.

. Diesel-electric submarines B-265 "Krasnodar" project 06363 - adopted in the BSF in 2015.

9). The diesel-electric submarines B-268 "Veliky Novgorod" project 06363 - was accepted into the Black Sea Fleet in 2016.

10). The diesel-electric submarines B-271 "Kolpino" project 06363 - was accepted into the Black Sea Fleet in 2016.

11). The frigate "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov" project 22350 - adopted in the Northern Fleet in 2018.

12). The frigate "Admiral Grigorovich" project 11356 - was accepted into the Black Sea Fleet in 2016.

13). The frigate "Admiral Essen" project 11356 - adopted in the Black Sea Fleet in 2016.

14). The frigate "Admiral Makarov" project 11356 - adopted in the Black Sea Fleet in 2017.

15). Corvette "Boiky" project 20380 - adopted in the BF in 2013.

16). Corvette "Resistant" project 20380 - adopted in the BF in 2014.

17). Corvette "Perfect" project 20380 - adopted in the Pacific Fleet in 2017.

18). Corvette "Loud" project 20380 - adopted in the Pacific Fleet in 2018.

19). Rocket ship "Dagestan" project 11661K - adopted in the CFL in 2012.

20). Patrol ship "Vasily Bykov" project 22160 - adopted in the Black Sea Fleet in 2018.

21). Small rocket ship "Grad Sviyazhsk" project 21631 - adopted in the CFL in 2013.

22). Small rocket ship "Uglich" project 21631 - adopted in the CFL in 2013.

23). Small rocket ship "Veliky Ustyug" project 21631 - adopted in the CFL in 2014.

24). Small rocket ship "Serpukhov" project 21631 - adopted in the Black Sea Fleet in 2015. Since 2016, the service carries in the BF.

25). Small Rocket Ship "Green Dol" project 21631 - adopted in the BSF in 2015. Since 2016, the service carries in the BF.

26). Small rocket ship "Vyshny Volochek" project 21631 - adopted in the Black Sea Fleet in 2018.

27). Small rocket ship "Orekhovo-Zuyevo" project 21631 - adopted in the Black Sea Fleet in 2018.

28). Small rocket ship "Mytishchi" project 22800 - adopted in the BF in 2018.

29). Small artillery ship "Makhachkala" project 21630 - adopted in the CFL in 2012.

30). Sea trawler "Alexander Obukhov" project 12700 - adopted in the BF in 2016.

31). Sea trawler "Ivan Antonov" project 12700 - adopted in the Black Sea Fleet in 2018.

32). The average reconnaissance ship “Yuri Ivanov” of project 18280 was accepted into the Northern Fleet in 2014.

33). The average reconnaissance ship Ivan Khurs of project 18280 was accepted into the Black Sea Fleet in 2018.

34). Large landing ship "Ivan Gren" project 11711 - adopted in the Northern Fleet in 2018.

35). The landing craft on the “Ivan Kartsov” air-cavity of the Project 21820 was accepted into the Pacific Fleet in 2014.

36). The landing craft on the air-cavity “Michman Lermontov” of the project 21820 was accepted into the Baltic Fleet in 2014.

37). The landing craft on the air-cavity “Denis Davydov” of the project 21820 - was accepted into the Baltic Fleet in 2014.

38). The landing craft on the air-cavity “Lieutenant Rimsky-Korsakov” of Project 21820 - was accepted into the BF in 2014.

39). The landing craft on the air-cavity “D-199” of project 11770 was accepted into the Black Sea Fleet in 2014.

40). The landing craft on the air cavity "№-746" (w / o) of project 11770 - was accepted into the CFL in 2013.

41). The air-cavity landing craft (tentatively No. 722) of project 11770 was accepted into the CFL in 2013.

42). Anti-sabotage boat "P-680" of project 12150A - adopted in the BF in 2013.

43). Anti-sabotage boat "P-679" of project 12150A - adopted in the BF in 2013.

44). The anti-sabotage boat P-191 "Cadet" of project 21980 was accepted into the Black Sea Fleet in 2012.

45). Anti-sabotage boat P-349 "Suvorovets" project 21980 - adopted in the BSF in 2012.

46). Anti-diversion boat P-350 "Kursant Kirovets" project 21980 - adopted in the Black Sea Fleet in 2013.

47). Anti-sabotage boat P-355 "Yunarmeets Crimea" project 21980 - adopted in the Black Sea Fleet in 2014.

48). Anti-sabotage boat P-424 "Kinel" project 21980 - adopted in the Black Sea Fleet in 2014.

49). Anti-diversion boat "P-433" project 21980 - adopted in the Black Sea Fleet in 2017.

50). Anti-diversion boat P-351 "Caspian Yunarmeets" project 21980 - adopted in the CFL in 2013.

51). Anti-sabotage boat "Yunarmeets Tatarstan" project 21980 - adopted in the CFL in 2018.

52). The anti-sabotage boat P-340 "Ynarmeets Polaria" project 21980 - was accepted into the Northern Fleet in 2016.

53). Anti-sabotage boat P-421 "Yunarmeets Belomorye" project 21980 - adopted in the Northern Fleet in 2016.

54). Anti-sabotage boat P-430 "Valery Fedyanin" project 21980 - adopted in the Northern Fleet in 2017.

55). Anti-sabotage boat P-429 "Sergey Preminin" project 21980 - adopted in the Northern Fleet in 2017.

56). Anti-diversion boat P-377 project 21980 - adopted in the Pacific Fleet in 2013.

57). Anti-sabotage boat P-420 "Yunarmeets of Primorye" project 21980 - adopted in the Pacific Fleet in 2014.

58). Anti-sabotage boat P-417 "Yunarmeets Kamchatka" project 21980 - adopted in the Pacific Fleet in 2014.

59). The anti-sabotage boat P-431 “Yunarmeets of Chukotka” of the project 21980 was accepted into the Pacific Fleet in 2017.

60). The anti-sabotage boat of the project 21980 (serial number 8006) was accepted into the Pacific Fleet in 2018.

61). Anti-sabotage (amphibious assault) boat "P-274" project 03160 - adopted in the Black Sea Fleet in 2015.

62). The anti-sabotage (amphibious assault) cutter P-275 of Project 03160 was accepted into the Black Sea Fleet in 2015.

63). Anti-sabotage (amphibious assault) boat "P-276" project 03160 - adopted in the Black Sea Fleet in 2015.

64). Anti-sabotage (amphibious assault) boat P-280 "Yunarmeets Baltika" project 03160 - adopted in the BF in 2015.

65). Anti-sabotage (amphibious assault) boat P-281 project 03160 - adopted in the BF in 2015.

66). Anti-sabotage (amphibious assault) boat P-344 project 03160 - adopted in the BF in 2015.

67). Anti-sabotage (amphibious assault) boat P-845 project 03160 - adopted in the Black Sea Fleet in 2015.

68). Anti-sabotage (amphibious assault) boat P-838 of project 03160 - was accepted into the Black Sea Fleet in 2015.

69). Anti-sabotage (amphibious assault) boat P-413 of the project 03160 - accepted into the Black Sea Fleet in 2017.

70). Anti-sabotage (amphibious assault) boat P-425 of the project 03160 - accepted into the Black Sea Fleet in 2017.

71). Anti-sabotage (amphibious assault) boat "P-345" project 03160 - adopted in the BF in 2015.

72). The anti-sabotage (amphibious assault) boat P-415 “Georgy Potekhin” of Project 03160 was accepted into the Baltic Fleet in 2017.

73). Anti-sabotage (amphibious assault) boat number 659 of project 03160 - adopted in the BF in 2018.

74). The D-308 amphibious assault boat of project 02510 was accepted into the Northern Fleet in 2018.

75). The D-2110 amphibious assault boat of project 02510 was accepted into the Northern Fleet in 2018.

76). The D-655 amphibious assault boat of project 02510 was accepted into the Black Sea Fleet in 2018.

77). The amphibious assault boat D-296 of project 02510 was accepted into the Black Sea Fleet in 2015.

78). High-speed patrol boat "RK-2173" project A-149-1 - adopted in the CFL in 2015.

79). High-speed patrol boat of the project A-149-1 - adopted in the Black Sea Fleet in 2013.

80). The high-speed patrol boat P-834 of the project IC16MII - in 2013 became part of the Black Sea Fleet.

81). The high-speed patrol boat "P-835" of the project IC16MII - in 2013 became part of the Black Sea Fleet.

As we see, in fact, since 2012, the Russian Navy has really received at least 80 new combat units into its units. It is also worth noting that, according to preliminary data, no less than 6 airborne assault boats of the Project 02800 of the “Tavr” type have already been transferred to the Russian Navy, which in turn act both independently and as a regular unit of the new patrol ships of the Project 22160. For the near future until the end of 2019, according to the Russian Defense Ministry, it is planned to transfer at least 15 combat units to the Navy. Among them, the frigate of the project 22350, the PC of the project 22160, the MRK of the project 21631 and 22800, the submarine of the project 06363, the submarine of the projects 955A and 885, the MSCP of the project 12700, the PKA of the project 03160 and 024510 and the RAN of the project 21980 of the Rook type.

Since 2012, more than 80 ships and boats have entered service.

Nice list... wasn't there talk of 160 new ships by 2023-2025 or something?

GarryB wrote:

Since 2012, more than 80 ships and boats have entered service.

Nice list... wasn't there talk of 160 new ships by 2023-2025 or something?

Probably includes non combat vessels also. During that same period of the 80 fighting vessels, there have been about 100 support vessels arrive also. Another factor that confuses the situation is the difference between a ship and a boat. Half those vessels on the list mentioned would be classified as a ship, while the rest are boats suitable for harbour and inshore operations only.

franco wrote:Probably includes non combat vessels also. During that same period of the 80 fighting vessels, there have been about 100 support vessels arrive also. Another factor that confuses the situation is the difference between a ship and a boat. Half those vessels on the list mentioned would be classified as a ship, while the rest are boats suitable for harbour and inshore operations only.  

The first ten are related to submarines, the second 10 are actual surface combatants and the last 60 are not worth mentioning.

Vladimir79 wrote:The first ten are related to submarines, the second 10 are actual surface combatants and the last 60 are not worth mentioning.  

Not worth mentioning? Or simply not glamorous war-fighters? Russia needs to replace her old Soviet-era boats. They were good solid designs and had plenty of life left in them at the start of the 90s, but nothing lasts forever and modern replacements are needed after the best part of 3 decades.

My take is that the mix of sub/surface combatant/support & auxiliary is fully consistent with the rebuilding of the RuN from the ground (seabed?) upwards. You can't build a new blue-water navy for global operations if you can't de-mine your harbours, protect your bases from frogmen saboteurs, patrol your maritime borders or perform recon.

They need Navy they are actually capable of building and supporting and without having to wait several decades to even get halfway there.

This means missile ships, corvettes and frigates.

Karakurts for missile ships. You always need padding.

Gorshkovs for corvettes. Reasons are obvious.

Derzkii/Mercury for frigates.

Steregushi has the equipment but short range. Gremashi has equipment and range but is overstuffed.

Then you have Mercury. Has equipment (AA system, anti-ship missiles, full anti-sub package, helicopter/missile container depending on need, speedboats), has range, has better propulsion (and local one) and plenty of room for whatever comes up down the road including drones.

The moment they put Mercury in the water and confirm it it floats they should discontinue other two and fully switch to Mercury class.


And most importantly: these ships can be built in more than one shipyard.


Look at Karakurts and Bykovs: they are fastest growing ship classes precisely because you have more than one shipyard on the job. And you can get benefits of having competition between shipyards this way and reward good ones with more contracts.

No wonder UEC is fuming over Pella. They are making them look bad by bringing attention to their incompetence. It would be even better if they gave Pella contract for corvette like Mercury. Direct competition.

Nuclear destroyers or (God forbid) carriers will be built exclusively by one shipyard, it will be crazy slow, costs wil skyrocket as always, there will be no oversight because it will be too big to fail in case of carrier (which it will) and in they end they will only have handful of them at best after insane amount of time. Just look at Kirovs for reference.

They need to be able to build and maintain and upgrade and overhaul and dock large ships, which means lots of infrastructure... a place to make them is just the start... they need somewhere to berth them and support them when they are not operational... and that means civilian ships as well as military ones.

They don't need enormous numbers of big ships but they do need some.

I say name the new CVN Vladimir Putin... and Putin can be entering NATO waters for the next 50-60 years... hahahaha.

Vladimir79 wrote:

franco wrote:Probably includes non combat vessels also. During that same period of the 80 fighting vessels, there have been about 100 support vessels arrive also. Another factor that confuses the situation is the difference between a ship and a boat. Half those vessels on the list mentioned would be classified as a ship, while the rest are boats suitable for harbour and inshore operations only.  

The first ten are related to submarines, the second 10 are actual surface combatants and the last 60 are not worth mentioning.  

Let's arrive to 30 adding all the Buyan, that started the Kalibr revolution and the Ivan Gren.

Construction of warships of the ocean and far sea zone for the Russian Navy as of May 1, 2019

Russia is probably best in nuke subs
surface fleet ... making there ships have insane firepower for their size .... I'd do the same

what is wrong with you people ? .... their strategy is utterly logical and brilliant ....
to me - lots of nuke SSGNs .... and lots of small widely distributed missile ships ... a no-brainer

meanwhile USA/NATO masturbate on the "high seas" "surface fleet domination " ... wasting endless money
seriously ..... stop watching CNN and the BBC .....

what amazes me about you dumb-arses is that you are cheer-leadering for exactly what the USA wants ...
they want Russia to bankrupt itself .... trying to be bigger wankers than the USA ......

you guys are so dumb .... seriously ... you are in the wrong century

and lets face it ... the biggest wankers in the history of the world are the "US-of-A"
a bunch of total twats ..... like most of you

A blue water fleet can be sent anywhere on the globe and can ensure Russian interests are respected.

They don't need thousands of ships and 20 CVNs... they could do it with two CVNs and perhaps 4-6 20K ton nuke powered destroyer/cruisers, plus maybe 24 mixed fleet of Gorshkov Frigate/Destroyer.. with maybe 6 of the current models and the remaining 18 with nuke propulsion and a 7K ton displacement and more missiles and bigger sensors.

A couple of helicopter landing ships... 2 based on the modified Ivan Gren and perhaps 2 based on an enlarged nuclear powered Mistral type vessel with better weapons and more helos and they would be pretty much right for 1-2 surface groups that could operate anywhere on the planets oceans to ensure Russian interests (military and commercial) can't be ignored.

It is not perfect.... note how ineffective the US was in the Georgian conflict in 2008, but equally how effective US naval power was in Serbia and Kosovo and ineffective Russia was in that situation.

Having a decent modern carrier group does not make Russia omnipotent or all powerful, but it gives them a say in situations where otherwise no one would normally listen.

If they had the Kuznetsov and a Kirov class ship and a couple of Udaloys off the coast of Venezuela right now doing exercises with the Venezuelan navy, the US would be having a fit but what they would not be doing is talking about an invasion.

Why would countries like Venezuela trade with Russia or China if they can't protect them from illegal regime change from the US?

Why would anyone trade with them?

Why do you think China is building up a Navy... they are doing so for the same reason and it has nothing to do with being tough on the internet, or to fight Russia... it is about securing sea lanes of communication and trade because America and Britain wont do it for them... except for a very heavy price of compliance and doing what they are told.... they don't like that and neither does Russia. In the EU the British and French want the choice to say no even if in the case of Britain they will never say no, but the rest have no spine at all.

In the Kosovo war the bases in Italy were effective. There were even studies done by western "think tanks" that showed how ineffective the carriers were compared to the land bases.

Hole wrote:In the Kosovo war the bases in Italy were effective. There were even studies done by western "think tanks" that showed how ineffective the carriers were compared to the land bases.

Correct

Land based aviation was doing 99% of damage

If USA tried to do anything with just carrier aircrafts they would still be at it (and hardly anyone here would have been too bothered over it)

My point was that depending on the situation their carriers can provide options to countries that are not available to countries that don't have carriers.

Even having x number of carrier groups the US Navy was impotent in Georgia, but Kosovo is not that much closer to the US, yet its distance from Russia and its close proximity to its EU allies meant it had decisive influence.

For Russia it does not have allies it can depend on abroad so if it looked like the US was about to invade venezuela then there would be nothing they could actually do without an at sea carrier or large ships. With large ships and carriers however they can send those ships and a very serious message to the west.

The west wont let Russia have its way unless Russia can back up words with force... they don't have to attack or invade anyone, but having naval forces that can defend themselves has value for Russia in international situations... but they sure don't need 10 CVNs and they don't need to be 100K ton carriers.

If they can get slightly better numbers and fire power in a multi hull 45K ton ship then two of those would be fine.

Hole wrote:In the Kosovo war the bases in Italy were effective. There were even studies done by western "think tanks" that showed how ineffective the carriers were compared to the land bases.

It makes sense if you can get a land base close to the action but that is not always the case.  A carrier aircraft dropping bombs is just as effective as a land based one.  It is all about sortie generation rate. A carrier operating 200km from the target area can turn around fighters faster than a land base 1000km away.