North Korea Armes Forces: News

sheytanelkebir wrote:I'd say for DPRK (and other smaller countries) investing in producing UCAVs to leapfrog conventional 4, 4.5 gen types operated by wealthy countries would be the way to go.

miketheterrible wrote:

sheytanelkebir wrote:I'd say for DPRK (and other smaller countries) investing in producing UCAVs to leapfrog conventional 4, 4.5 gen types operated by wealthy countries would be the way to go.

UAV's are one thing, manned aircrafts are another. Placing your entire bet on an aircraft that relies on just computers is a real bad idea. We seen what happened with RQ-160. It's fine to use as disposable, but it can also be used against you too through hacking methods.

But yeah, having a unmanned aircraft is ideal for NK for some tasks, but manned is much needed in the future too for all nations. And those MiG-29's are long in the tooth. Not mentioning their other jets.

Isos wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

sheytanelkebir wrote:I'd say for DPRK (and other smaller countries) investing in producing UCAVs to leapfrog conventional 4, 4.5 gen types operated by wealthy countries would be the way to go.

UAV's are one thing, manned aircrafts are another. Placing your entire bet on an aircraft that relies on just computers is a real bad idea. We seen what happened with RQ-160. It's fine to use as disposable, but it can also be used against you too through hacking methods.

But yeah, having a unmanned aircraft is ideal for NK for some tasks, but manned is much needed in the future too for all nations. And those MiG-29's are long in the tooth. Not mentioning their other jets.

Good for what ?

In a conventional war they will lose in the first week. The only thing that make them survive is that they can reach Seoul with artillery and that China could go into war with them. Their military don't matter at all.  Drones or not, they don't have the capabilities to fight by their own US/south korea. Their missiles could be destroyed by S-300 VM if south korea was smart enough to buy them.

And now that they are getting nuks even Chian could fuck them and let US attack them because they won't be their puppet anymore.

They have had nukes for years. And if US even attempted, South Korea and Japan will be hit hard, something both those nations don't want, thus they will press hard against US.

Reason why China supported NK was a buffer zone. They already stated to US they will defend NK if the US attacks first.

Isos wrote:

They have had nukes for years. And if US even attempted, South Korea and Japan will be hit hard, something both those nations don't want, thus they will press hard against US.

Reason why China supported NK was a buffer zone. They already stated to US they will defend NK if the US attacks first.

They were not able to send nuks on japan. Even on south korea its doubtfull. They have to make mini nuks for that. According to many official statements of CIA they are not able to do this.

Once they will have true modern nuks capabilities they won't be a buffer zone for China. Asian countries are not friends between them. They used to annexe each other. No one will die for the other if they don't have to. So most probably they will say to china "it was nive to meet you bit we have take some distance".

Idem for japan and USA. That's why USA and China don't really do whatever those countries want. China doesn't veto all sanctions against north korea and USA don't give all the military equipment to japan. They don't want them to be self sufficiant. North korea having nuks will change their relations with china. It's already happening for the olympic games, north ans south get close without the help of china or USA.

miketheterrible wrote:

Isos wrote:

They have had nukes for years. And if US even attempted, South Korea and Japan will be hit hard, something both those nations don't want, thus they will press hard against US.

Reason why China supported NK was a buffer zone. They already stated to US they will defend NK if the US attacks first.

They were not able to send nuks on japan. Even on south korea its doubtfull. They have to make mini nuks for that. According to many official statements of CIA they are not able to do this.

Once they will have true modern nuks capabilities they won't be a buffer zone for China. Asian countries are not friends between them. They used to annexe each other. No one will die for the other if they don't have to. So most probably they will say to china "it was nive to meet you bit we have take some distance".

Idem for japan and USA. That's why USA and China don't really do whatever those countries want. China doesn't veto all sanctions against north korea and USA don't give all the military equipment to japan. They don't want them to be self sufficiant. North korea having nuks will change their relations with china. It's already happening for the olympic games, north ans south get close without the help of china or USA.

Do you really believe what you type? China and Russia are both certain of NK nukes.

You don't know the culture nor history, that's obvious. You also don't know what China has demanded or stated do you?

And btw, US just threatened the norks today as is. US stated they will be holding drills with SK after Olympics.  Things will go back to status quo.

China was the one who supported NK in the conflict in the 50's. They will do it again too so long as NK doesn't start it. If you think otherwise, you are a fool.

And btw, US just threatened the norks today as is. US stated they will be holding drills with SK after Olympics. Things will go back to status quo.

I personally dont think China would support today NK they did back in 50s, times changed,

China was the one who supported NK in the conflict in the 50's.
They will do it again too so long as NK doesn't start it. If you think otherwise, you are a fool.

1953 it was the soviet air force , where as today it is Russ air force. Chinese are a force to day not then.
MiG-15: Jet that shocked the West .
Take the air battles of April 12,Single day 1951 in which the Americans lost 25 strategic bombers and around 100 airmen.
That was called a “Black Day” and a week of mourning was declared in the USAF. And yet the Americans claimed they shot down 11 MiGs that day.

“In reality,” says Kramrenko, “all our fighters made it home safely and only three or four MiGs had holes from the bombers’ machine gun fire.
This was based on the fact that the Americans counted shot-down enemy planes based on camera gunshots. I guess the American pilots had
counted me as shot down – and no less than two or three times.” The Americans, therefore, ‘downed’ more MiGs than the number that fought in Korea.

The Russian side had a more foolproof system of recording kills. Pilots had to provide a clear and distinct camera shot and conformation
from a search group, which was supposed to bring the debris of a downed enemy plane.
A similar controversy involved the Australians, who dispatched their 77th Squadron of Gloster Meteors to South Korea.
On a cold December day while flying combat patrol, the Russians led by Kramarenko encountered as many as 20 of these British built aircraft.

It turned out to be black day for the Australians as the MiGs tore into the Gloster formations. Within seconds there were a dozen fires on the
ground below – the wreckage of these hapless planes. There was a sole survivor who broke out of this hell to head home.
Let him go home to his aerodrome and tell of the fate of the rest of his comrades who had wanted to wipe out a Korean town,
AGAIN CNN/MSNBC ..
Despite receiving such a mauling, the Australians believed they had shot down a MiG in this dogfight while losing only three of their aircraft.
The Russians never encountered any more Glosters over the skies of Korea. In reality, the Australians were kept out of harm’s way by the Americans.

The last restriction was crippling – it meant Russian pilots were prevented from giving chase to enemy aircraft. Since aircraft are
at their most vulnerable while fleeing (because they have either run out ammunition, are low on fuel, or experiencing technical
trouble), it meant Russian pilots were denied easy kills. Hundreds of western fighters were able to escape into South Korea
because the Russians turned back as they neared the coastline or the border.

Despite such limitations, Russia came out on top. According to Karamarenko, during the 32 months that Russian forces
were in Korea, they downed 1250 enemy planes. “Of that number the (Russian) corps’ anti-aircraft artillery shot
down 153 planes and the pilots killed 1097,” he writes. In comparison, the Soviets lost 319 MiGs and Lavochkin La-11s.

The Russians nicknamed the B-29s “Flying Shacks” as these lumbering birds burned so easily and well.

Former USAF pilot Lt-Col Earl McGill sums up the battle in 'Black Tuesday Over Namsi: B-29s vs MiGs':
"In percentages, Black Tuesday marked the greatest loss on any major bombing mission in any war the United States
has ever engaged in, and the ensuing battle, in a chunk of sky called MiG Alley, still ranks as perhaps the greatest jet air battle of all time."

But most importantly, the bravery and skills of the Russian detachment to Korea may have prevented another world war.
Kramarenko explains: “The B-29 was a strategic bomber, in other words, a carrier of atomic bombs. In a Third World War –
on the brink of which we were – these bombers were meant to strike at the cities of the Soviet Union with nuclear bombs.
Now it turned out these huge planes were defenceless against jet fighters, being far inferior to them in speed and armament.”

gaurav wrote:But the situation in 2018 is very different. We really dont know how many missiles /weapons NK has .. and what is the political
situation in U.S vis a vis the deep state

Cyberspec wrote:

gaurav wrote:But the situation in 2018 is very different. We really dont know how many missiles /weapons NK has .. and what is the political
situation in U.S vis a vis the deep state

Seems they have enough to deter this dysfunctional US government.. a lot of I Huff ...and...I Puff.

Also, another problem they have is that the South Koreans don't look like they're too keen on sacrificing themselves for the sake of Trump's ego

What they need to do with new Mg-29s are to replace new engines (keep max thrush at 8,300 kgf), remove the auxiliary air intakes to accommodate more fuel, replace main wings to add more hard points and fuel, strengthen the landing gears and airframe to increase the external load and max take-off weight, etc. The higher used composites will help it keep the empty weight at 11 tons like the 9-13 version. With all changes, the new Mig-29s suppose to have ferry range of 3,600-3,800km. New Mig-29 also can equip AESA radar, advanced elec-optronic, ECM, targeting pod and fifth-generation weapons, etc like Mig-35s.

George1 wrote:KPAF MiG-23ML Flogger in the new two tone grey camouflage scheme which is the new standard scheme for all KPAF MiGs and Sukhois.

Isos wrote:What makes you think they are in good conditions ? They are just repainted for the picture. No one knows if they can fly.

If russia hasn't upgraded syrian ones since the start of the war I doubt they upgraded those ones.