Russian VSHORADS Thread

Southern Military District received the first batch of SAM "Tor-M1-2U"


Southern Military District received the first batch of anti-aircraft missiles "Tor-M1-2U." On this, as reported by RIA Novosti , the deputy chief of the press service of the SOUTH Colonel Oleg Kochetkov. According to him, by the end of 2012 will be fully staffed with such complexes defense units, placed in the Volgograd region.
Delivery systems "Tor-M1-2U" is part of the state defense order for 2012. The troops of the new systems will replace aging short-range "Wasp", "Thor" and "Tor-M1". What is the number of new air defense system came in troops, and how many of these systems to be supplied to the end of 2012, Kochetkov not elaborate.

"Tor-M1-2U", a modernization of the "Tor-M1", is intended to cover the anti-aircraft units and infrastructure of aircraft, helicopters, unmanned aerial vehicles and guided missiles. Complex is able to detect and track targets at ranges up to 30 kilometers and to simultaneously attack four of them, at an altitude of ten thousand feet.

TR1 wrote:


Sosna.

http://www.vesti.ru/only_video.html?vid=513235&path2=http%3A%2F%2Fsmolensk.rfn.ru%2Fv%2F33709.flv&extFlv=1

The video. Poor man's Pantsir?

Zivo wrote:What's their reasoning behind developing both Boomerang, and the Kamaz 63969?

They seem very similar. I doubt the Kamaz is amphibious, but what advantage does it have over Boomerang that warrants its service?

Viktor wrote:Great this will be great SA-13 replacement. Excellent find TR1.

Cyberspec wrote:Should be popular with Strela-10 (SA-13) users assuming it's reasonably priced. I wonder if the Rus. Army would be interested considering they use large number of Strela-10's

Indeed they do and that is how they use their tracking radar to communicate with the missile... Smile

GarryB wrote:

Krizanthema radar is the way for Tunguska tracking radar modernization.

Pantsir-S1 is the way for Tunguska modernisation...

medo wrote:http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/50560/

In September - October this year, tests of new Sosna-M will be finished. Considering, that Palash-Palma is already operational, I don't see much problems for Russian MoD to accept Sosna-M as replacement for Strela-10.

The fact that some versions of Sosna can be mounted on an MT-LB based chasis doesn't mean that it is a Strela-10 follow-on.

I think Sosna is primarily a ZU-23-2 follow-on.

the radio control for the first stage of the missile

Asf wrote:

The fact that some versions of Sosna can be mounted on an MT-LB based chasis doesn't mean that it is a Strela-10 follow-on.

It has similar tactical purpose

I think Sosna is primarily a ZU-23-2 follow-on.

What do you mean? ZU-23-2 is a towed AA autocannon

the radio control for the first stage of the missile

I always thought Sosna is laser-guided

GarryB wrote:

The fact that some versions of Sosna can be mounted on an MT-LB based chasis doesn't mean that it is a Strela-10 follow-on. There are other systems developed as Strela-10 follow-ons.

I think Sosna is primarily a ZU-23-2 follow-on.

The VDV announced the Strela-10 was a temporary replacement for the ZU-23-2, but that a new system was going to replace it in the near future. I suspect the SOSNA-R is that replacement because figures given match SOSNA-R better than Morfei or other systems known to be in development. 10km range and laser beam riding guidance were two parameters that seem to rule out the IIR guided Morfei.

There are two reasons for that conclusion: the MT-LB based chassis and the radio control for the first stage of the missile. It seems that the non-export versions of Sosna don't need the radio control for the first stage control.

I would suggest all versions of SOSNA-R would require radio command guidance for the initial portion of flight to get it heading in the right direction... the laser beam riding guidance wont be able to see through the booster stage in the first second or two of flight, while radio command would allow a slightly lofted trajectory to ensure the missile flys clear of ground obstructions like trees but as the main booster burns out the radio command link would allow the launcher to command the missile to climb or descend so the laser beam is not seen by the missile through the smoke trail the main booster has just left.

It has similar tactical purpose

And cheaper and light weight without all those CM and MMW radar systems of Pantsir-S1.

I always thought Sosna is laser-guided

Yes... laser beam riding, but for the first part of its flight it has a solid rocket booster and a large rocket plume between it and the launcher, so for that part of flight it uses radio command guidance to fly to the optimum point to engage the target.

GarryB wrote:

There are two reasons for that conclusion: the MT-LB based chassis and the radio control for the first stage of the missile. It seems that the non-export versions of Sosna don't need the radio control for the first stage control.

I would suggest all versions of SOSNA-R would require radio command guidance for the initial portion of flight to get it heading in the right direction... the laser beam riding guidance wont be able to see through the booster stage in the first second or two of flight, while radio command would allow a slightly lofted trajectory to ensure the missile flys clear of ground obstructions like trees but as the main booster burns out the radio command link would allow the launcher to command the missile to climb or descend so the laser beam is not seen by the missile through the smoke trail the main booster has just left.