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Uganda People's Defence Force
mwanamwale- Posts : 1
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Join date : 2012-08-30
- Post n°1
Uganda People's Defence Force
Uganda bought 6 SU 30mk2s the potential advesery they could face is the F5EM that are owned by Kenya. If this two jets were to meet in combat which do you think would prevail and why? That discusion has already begun here. eastafrican.forumotion.com/t34p120-air-superiority-stealth-fighter-jets
KomissarBojanchev- Posts : 1429
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Re: Uganda People's Defence Force
I never knew uganda had the money to buy multiple world class jets costing 10s of $millions$ to my knowledge they are having problems feeding their own people and paramilitary rebel groups
I mean Bulgaria which has more wealth than most african countries doesnt even have money to buy a few much cheaper gripens or second hand F-16s.
As for who would win if youre talking about a version of the F-5 tiger that means a 3-3+ gen fighter vs a 4+ gen its pretty definitave who would win even if the Su-30 uses downgraded munitions.
I mean Bulgaria which has more wealth than most african countries doesnt even have money to buy a few much cheaper gripens or second hand F-16s.
As for who would win if youre talking about a version of the F-5 tiger that means a 3-3+ gen fighter vs a 4+ gen its pretty definitave who would win even if the Su-30 uses downgraded munitions.
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TR1- Posts : 5435
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Re: Uganda People's Defence Force
F-5 would be slaughtered as it inferior in every sense.
It is quite an agile little fighter though.
It is quite an agile little fighter though.
SOC- Posts : 565
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Re: Uganda People's Defence Force
TR1 wrote:F-5 would be slaughtered as it inferior in every sense.
Not necessarily. The F-5E is the same plane USAF/USN Aggressor units used to embarrass (read: "train") F-14, F-15, F-16, and F-18 pilots. This is why these kind of arguments are entirely unrealistic when you only examine the public specifications of each system. Pilot training and experience can be and often is the most important factor deciding who wins an A/A engagement.
I don't care if the FLANKER is the purest air combat airframe ever designed (it is), if you put an idiot in the cockpit he'll find a way to either shoot himself down, get shot down, or crash. Even someone with a good number of fighter hours but who is a newly trained FLANKER convert would be at a comparative disadvantage without any experience in the airframe if he's facing someone who has been flying the FLANKER for years. This is partly why the cockpits of the 4th Generation Soviet fighters pretty much mirrored those of the 3rd Generation: it made it far easier to convert without having to learn an entirely new layout. It's easier now with craploads of MFDs, but the point remains.
On a related note out of curiosity, what AAMs are the Kenyan F-5EMs carrying these days?
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GarryB- Posts : 40538
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Re: Uganda People's Defence Force
Certainly pilot training would be a significant factor, but weapons would also be fairly important too.
An F-5 armed only with Sidewinders against a Flanker with RVV-MD and RVV-SD with helmet mounted sights.
There is only so much training can help compensate for not having the best plane...
If it is plane vs plane then I would say the Flanker wins hands down.
An F-5 armed only with Sidewinders against a Flanker with RVV-MD and RVV-SD with helmet mounted sights.
There is only so much training can help compensate for not having the best plane...
If it is plane vs plane then I would say the Flanker wins hands down.
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medo- Posts : 4343
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Re: Uganda People's Defence Force
Numbers are also important factor. Uganda have only 6 Su-30 planes. How many F-5EM Kenya have?
ahmedfire- Posts : 2366
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Re: Uganda People's Defence Force
Su-30 has many advantages that greatly affects any air to air engagement ,
Longer ait-air missiles ranges, higher aircraft speed ( this increase the range of the missile at high altitudes ) , better scanning and targeting radar and better range ,so a Su-30 with apilot that know what he has to do is enough to defeat F-5.
GarryB- Posts : 40538
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Re: Uganda People's Defence Force
Numbers are also important factor. Uganda have only 6 Su-30 planes. How many F-5EM Kenya have?
Numbers certainly are a factor, but an Su-30 has both the speed and range to choose when to fight and when to leave the fight.
George1- Posts : 18519
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Russian military held six-month courses for tank commanders in Uganda
According to Uganda Internet portal Uganda Press REVIEW, Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni visited the armored troops school in Karama to personally attend the first graduation of officers who completed six-month training courses for tank and battalion tactical groups commanders. The courses were organized by military instructors from Russia. In total, 60 officers of the Ugandan army were trained.
The trainees completed an intensive course on tactics, unit management in combat, and fulfilled the standards for driving vehicles and firing.
President Museveni congratulated the officers on the successful completion of the courses and advised them to always be ready to fight for the country in any conditions. He thanked the group of Russian military for support, adding that the two countries will continue their joint cooperation.
“We thank the Russians for transferring knowledge to us. Russians have always supported anti-colonial movements all over the world, including ours. We will expand cooperation with them, ”he said.
Before being sent to the troops, the cadets passed the final examinations, having conducted battalion-tactical exercises with the use of army aviation at the Karama range under the guidance of Russian officers.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3528824.html
George1- Posts : 18519
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Re: Uganda People's Defence Force
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d_taddei2- Posts : 3027
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Re: Uganda People's Defence Force
HAL to Repair Uganda’s Sukhoi Su-MK30 Jets
Uganda’s government has enlisted the help of India’s defence sector to maintain and sustain its Sukhoi Su-MK30 jet aircraft. A letter of understanding was inked earlier this month between the African country and Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, an Indian state-owned aerospace company that has been granted a Sukhoi manufacturing licence by Russia.
According to the Indian High Commission, this is Uganda’s first major defence pact since Prime Minister Narendra Modi announced the “10 Principles of India-Africa Engagement” in 2018.
https://defenceaviationpost.com/hal-to-repair-ugandas-sukhoi-su-mk30-jets/
Uganda’s government has enlisted the help of India’s defence sector to maintain and sustain its Sukhoi Su-MK30 jet aircraft. A letter of understanding was inked earlier this month between the African country and Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, an Indian state-owned aerospace company that has been granted a Sukhoi manufacturing licence by Russia.
According to the Indian High Commission, this is Uganda’s first major defence pact since Prime Minister Narendra Modi announced the “10 Principles of India-Africa Engagement” in 2018.
https://defenceaviationpost.com/hal-to-repair-ugandas-sukhoi-su-mk30-jets/
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Isos- Posts : 11601
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Re: Uganda People's Defence Force
They will crash like all the indian jets now. Indians are good only at scraping metal.
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GarryB- Posts : 40538
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Re: Uganda People's Defence Force
When I banned Aristide, it wasn't an invitation to find a new racist git to take his place...
Who are you and what have you done with Lsos?
European colonial genes seem to run deep... right now China has a reputation for making cheap crap in the west, but many countries had that honour before them as western production shifted from poor country to poor country where wages were low and workers rights a myth... I can remember when it was Japan that was making cheap crap... every country can get a stereotype, and some are certainly earned, but they can also change and improve well beyond what the ignorant west believe is possible for them.
Who are you and what have you done with Lsos?
European colonial genes seem to run deep... right now China has a reputation for making cheap crap in the west, but many countries had that honour before them as western production shifted from poor country to poor country where wages were low and workers rights a myth... I can remember when it was Japan that was making cheap crap... every country can get a stereotype, and some are certainly earned, but they can also change and improve well beyond what the ignorant west believe is possible for them.
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RTN- Posts : 756
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Re: Uganda People's Defence Force
Good point, but why is Russia not providing this service?Isos wrote:They will crash like all the indian jets now. Indians are good only at scraping metal.
ALAMO- Posts : 7493
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Re: Uganda People's Defence Force
GarryB wrote:When I banned Aristide,
You did?
So my lonely waiting till he will find the reason why France slums are not on pair with Marakesh are waste of time then!
GarryB- Posts : 40538
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Re: Uganda People's Defence Force
Good point, but why is Russia not providing this service?
The article says India has a licence to service Su-30 type aircraft which they operate themselves.
They will do the work and Uganda can send their aircraft to India, which is rather closer than Russia, and Sukhoi earns and India earns and Uganda saves money not having to send all the way to Russia.
Normal commercial practise really.
Interesting the bias here... India can't service aircaft they already operate themselves, Ugandan Su-30s at risk of being defeated in air combat by Kenyan F-5s... how has the rest of the world become so incompetent while the west is so advanced and capable?
First world colonialism is strong... and so wrong.
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AlfaT8- Posts : 2488
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Re: Uganda People's Defence Force
RTN wrote:Good point, but why is Russia not providing this service?
Considering the current geopolitical situation with Russia, it makes sense to defer to India at the moment.
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d_taddei2- Posts : 3027
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Re: Uganda People's Defence Force
Uganda buys mi-28N three were displayed
It is believed that they are the first delivery of an order for six Mi-28Ns.
https://www.defenceweb.co.za/aerospace/aerospace-aerospace/uganda-acquires-mi-28-attack-helicopters/
It is believed that they are the first delivery of an order for six Mi-28Ns.
https://www.defenceweb.co.za/aerospace/aerospace-aerospace/uganda-acquires-mi-28-attack-helicopters/