Serbia Breaking News:

slasher wrote:Following Marcus Papadopoulos on Twitter some time now. Based on his remarks he strongly considers Vucic a sell-out and traitor. I'm not exactly on top of the political situation there but many commentators as well view him and the political system in place as established to serve Euro-Atlantic interests. Interesting to see what he does now with this new mandate.

This guy called it quite some time ago, and saw straight through Vucic for the out-of-the-closet boy-toy to the West he dreams of being.

Papa is the type of person to jump on bandwagons. Something is shit till his government goes with the same flow then it is all great.

Anyway, no, he is wrong. Canada got and gets regularly screwed by USA quite often. Issue is, we dont do anything about it cause we do not have an option.

miketheterrible wrote:I think the general viewpoint is that most view Serbia as kind of like the last bastion of hope in central Europe.

Hope for what exactly? News fodder for CNN?

It's dead industry, everyone moved on to YouTube and streaming

And I don't remember anyone lining up for screentime

miketheterrible wrote:It stayed independent and did things how they saw fit. I think this move is, to most, viewed as a hit against Serbia and its non alignment or at least against its sovereignty

Having American puppet losing wars he never planned on winning is not what I would call independent

And that "independence" and "non-alignment" ended 20 years ago, are you seriously nostalgic about it now of all times?

This situation first time in 2ó years that we do things for ourselves

Also, why the hell did it made sense for Serbia to be non-aligned (God, what a retarded concept) when Russia was America's most loyal flunky back then?

miketheterrible wrote:Now, many are pissed and rightly so. Especially the fact that Serbia is more or less recognizing Kosovo as independent

Point of this entire escapade was to avoid recognizing Kosovo (entire neighborhood having unplanned periods tells me it's a good kill)

Fact that all the right people are pissed off is best indicator of success

flaming_python wrote:You didn't listen.

You are a commie

Listening to you (or your ilk) a non starter especially with such obvious BS

flaming_python wrote:As for Russia - it can't be more Serb than the Serbians themselves.

Leave being Serb to us

"Your" country should focus on building that Three Gorges Dam pipeline (shit, I mean Americans completed Apollo program in less time) and on bypassing military superpower Bulgaria if you want to call the shots here

It would definitely be very profitable for us to get free money and shit all over Russia in return just like Belarus, Ukraine and Kazakhstan do all because they have physical contact

Alas, those of us further out have to actually work for a living...

flaming_python wrote:As for the lesbo

Careful now commie, your owners will not tolerate stepping out of line and insulting those who are designated as your superiors

This is the constant problem with red subclass: they always forget their place

But worry not, your owners never do and will be reminding you very directly

miketheterrible wrote:Anyway, no, he is wrong. Canada got and gets regularly screwed by USA quite often. Issue is, we dont do anything about it cause we do not have an option.

Other than whining online in anonymity and coming up with crappy excuses

You have an option, you just don't have the balls, shared trait among Queen's subject countries, just look at specimens this forum

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Russia never fucked over Canada as hard as the fucked over Serbia

Oh, we are posting pics of whiny annoying little shits who are in dire need for some discipline and tough love?

Say no more dude, I got you covered, here's one straight from the holy land



I mean we all know this has nothing to do with Serbia so we are now hitting the nail on the​ head

To paraphrase Stan Lee: "Well, the​ 90s were fun but now there paying for it"

And don't worry, I got plenty more, it's a riot 24/7 down there

Looking forward to that swanky new embassy in Jerusalem



Edit: And it's another Canadian, this shit is hilarious

kvs wrote:Russia owes Serbia nothing

Does that mean that their unqualified PR chicks (way past their prime) and their online fanboys from British Commonwealth will finally stop throwing shit-fits?

Papa defending Vucic is a telling sign that there is something wrong with Serbs.

Guess they are cucks.

PapaDragon wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:I think the general viewpoint is that most view Serbia as kind of like the last bastion of hope in central Europe.

Hope for what exactly? News fodder for CNN?

It's dead industry, everyone moved on to YouTube and streaming

And I don't remember anyone lining up for screentime

miketheterrible wrote:It stayed independent and did things how they saw fit.  I think this move is, to most, viewed as a hit against Serbia and its non alignment or at least against its sovereignty

Having American puppet losing wars he never planned on winning is not what I would call independent

And that "independence" and "non-alignment" ended 20 years ago, are you seriously nostalgic about it now of all times?

This situation first time in 2ó years that we do things for ourselves

Also, why the hell did it made sense for Serbia to be non-aligned (God, what a retarded concept) when Russia was America's most loyal flunky back then?

miketheterrible wrote:Now, many are pissed and rightly so.  Especially the fact that Serbia is more or less recognizing Kosovo as independent

Point of this entire escapade was to avoid recognizing Kosovo (entire neighborhood having unplanned periods tells me it's a good kill)

Fact that all the right people are pissed off is best indicator of success

flaming_python wrote:You didn't listen.

You are a commie

Listening to you (or your ilk) a non starter especially with such obvious BS

flaming_python wrote:As for Russia - it can't be more Serb than the Serbians themselves.

Leave being Serb to us

"Your" country should focus on building that Three Gorges Dam pipeline (shit, I mean Americans completed Apollo program in less time) and on bypassing military superpower Bulgaria if you want to call the shots here

It would definitely be very profitable for us to get free money and shit all over Russia in return just like Belarus, Ukraine and Kazakhstan do all because they have physical contact

Alas, those of us further out have to actually work for a living...

flaming_python wrote:As for the lesbo

Careful now commie, your owners will not tolerate stepping out of line and insulting those who are designated as your superiors

This is the constant problem with red subclass: they always forget their place

But worry not, your owners never do and will be reminding you very directly

miketheterrible wrote:Anyway, no, he is wrong. Canada got and gets regularly screwed by USA quite often. Issue is, we dont do anything about it cause we do not have an option.

Other than whining online in anonymity and coming up with crappy excuses

You have an option, you just don't have the balls, shared trait among Queen's subject countries, just look at specimens this forum

I'm a commie sure.
But communism is consistency.

You with your national Darwinism, Machivellianism or whatever other cock & bull stories you believe in with all contradictions inherent - well where has it led you.
To being a stooge for the Zionist entity and the brown-noser in chief prostrating himself there where nothing was offered of any substance, to have enticed him to go.
Nice work

As for reaching Serbia - how is that supposed to be remotely possible with attitudes such as yours?
Don't suppose you ever heard of - working together to achieve a common goal? I'm sure even anti-communists must have heard of that.
Maybe if Serbia sticks to Russia's side; even our crappy oligarchic ruined version of Russia - and builds up some industrial, infrastructural development together with it - neighbouring countries might start to see an alternative to the EU.

In general I don't see anything wrong with meeting with and signing documents with Trump in and of itself.
He obviously can't be taken as part of the same clique that dismembered Yugoslavia and Serbia.
But in this case you had no reason to come. For the matter of Kosovo's recognition - it's enough to simply not meet at all and refuse to discuss the matter; what kind of country has to travel to a foreign capital to justify their own point of view on this?

And as for what you ended up signing - well it was just a bunch of ass.

flamming_python wrote:I'm a commie sure.
But communism is consistency.

Consistency of abject failure, I wouldn't brag about it myself

Communism failed on July 1972, everything else afterwards is irelevant

All that's left of it is bunch of whiny fanboys

flamming_python wrote:Don't suppose you ever heard of - working together to achieve a common goal?

And which common goal is that exactly?

It would be nice if you formulated it already

Only common goal I see people agreeing on here is being useful idiot in a war against Israel (and nobody even explained why)

Not exactly something worth getting out of bed for if you ask me

But if you have something else in mind please do share

flamming_python wrote:As for reaching Serbia - how is that supposed to be remotely possible with attitudes such as yours?

Attitudes such as ours?

What the the hell does that have to do with anything?

Who is supposed to be superpower here? Serbia or Russia?

You want to​ be in charge? Get cracking then, it won't just fall in your lap, other people have shit to do as well

flamming_python wrote:But in this case you had no reason to come.

Yes we did

The reason was colossal fucking financial, political and military pressure coming from EU and USA for the past decade at least (ever since Tadic's gang got the boot, they would have sold everything long ago anyway)

And none of you know about it because it never reaches the news you read (not your fault I'll give you that much)

We got EU who 110% support Albanians and have made bombing of Serbia and independence of Kosovo one of their founding tenets and are not budging at all and never will (this goes double for Germany and especially that bitch Merkel, they treat it as almost religious issue)

We caught a lucky break with Trump administration in USA who are for the first time in 30 years willing to not only talk but actually offer something useful in return

If Biden wins in the fall it would have been a wash because Democrats take orders from EU so we had to wrap this up now (and for now this this as good as it's going to get, recognition is shelved, we bought decent amount of time while USA got the shit they wanted and all other took was torching some sand niggers)

Another thing is that there are still Serbs living in Kosovo who ere getting screwed over daily by Albanians with EU and USA letting it happen but now USA will be dealing with it for a change with EU being cut out

miketheterrible wrote:Papa defending Vucic is a telling sign that there is something wrong with Serbs.

Guess they are cucks.

You are free to have your opinion and criticize... AFTER you move out of Canada

kvs wrote:Russia owes Serbia nothing.   A collection of ingrates just like Ukrs and other insecure Uncle Swine-shit fellators.  

Join NATzO, and enjoy the invincibility as your owner launches the "final solution" war on Russia.   There is not going
to be any commie "brotherhood of the peoples" and "world revolution" BS stopping Russia from finally solving its western
problem.

But for some strange reason(s) the same Russia showers even an enemy Ukraine with free money and natural gas.


Serbia is stuck between a useless (as an ally to Serbia in the practical terms) Russia and a totally unreliable and clearly hostile U.S.A. and the rest of the West.

It is also surrounded by hostile countries on all sides, there is no long border with Russia that for example Belarus has.

I wonder if Lukashenko would really be all that "independent hero statesman" if he had to cope with an unfavorable geographical location like Milosevic did; Lukashenko always knew he had Russia's backing and a very wide avenue of retreat and/or relief from Russia. Yugoslavia had no such option.


Not an enviable position to be in.

Serbia is stuck between a useless (as an ally to Serbia in the practical terms) Russia and a totally unreliable and clearly hostile U.S.A. and the rest of the West.

It is also surrounded by hostile countries on all sides, there is no long border with Russia that for example Belarus has.

So that is the crux if the issue... you are too far away to help us so fuck you... we are going to forget you and just suck up to the new big bully.

Russia doesn't throw its weight around enough to be a counter bully to the US, so you are getting the USSR tattooed on your ass crack altered with the SR being covered up by a nice four leaf clover or something...

kvs wrote:[

Serbia is already on a tight EU leash.   It stopped participation in the joint military exercises with Russia and Belorus on the day before
the event.

If Serbia did not want to be a vassal of its real enemies, then it would have stayed neutral.   Instead, like the Baltic chihuahuas it
is now transitioning to anti-Russian posturing.  

Don't think this will cost you nothing, you double faced c*nts.

Serbian economy is shitty. All the people that have the chance to work abroad take it and leave. And guess where they go... in EU, mostly in Germany who welcomes them. Not in Russia.

Why would they choose Russia ? Because they make some military exercices ? They have nothing to offer to them. EU has a lot, it comes with some orders for sure and Serbia isn't big enough to deal with them with a strong position, but it makes their country better.

You are right, but there is a potential issue too.

If Germany (which is where a lot of the Serbs and others go to) to have economic issues even further, especially thanks to their bullshit they peddle to Russia, then there wont be much good work for Serbs in Germany.  There wont be much good work for Germans either nor all those African "engineers" as well.  So then they will end up back in Serbia.  Then things will be even worst there.

This is all hence why EU isn't interested in funding Ukraine who bent over and took it by EU and US.  Now Ukraine is as rich as some african states.  Wonderful.

So there is an option - Build yourself to be somewhat neutral so you can get best of both worlds, or side with someone.

Now who would I side with?

I would side with the nation who has little debt, who has plenty of natural resources and REAL goods.  Not the states that rely on banking.  Because there will be a correction eventually and the correction will not be in favor of the banking states either.

It is better to build yourself up to be the banker and producer for your own state and nations who are interested in dealing with you, while obtaining resources from friendly states who will be interested in cooperation and cheap resources.  But now, that wont happen due to more expensive resources will be coming in and thus Serbian products will be even less interesting as prices will increase to meet the balance where resources to make said products will now be more expensive.

This all comes to a time when the nations who produce cheaper goods are growing while nations who produced more expensive products are facing decline and further potential issues.

EU isn't looking to good.  So Serbia is betting on the wrong horse in the long run.  Short run, yes.  Not long run.

Edit:

Now, as for military and what not. Something that most will have to remember. When and if it ever came to a war between Russia and NATO (which I doubt will ever actually happen), while many of these nations are friendly and or buddy buddy with NATO, most wont actually fight in said conflict. That also said, many of them would side with Russia. Not government mind you but people. As we have seen in countless other instances: Serbs, Bulgarians, etc have had plenty of people whom assisted Russia in conflicts such as Chechnya. Mercenaries more or less but most of them I doubt were paid.

Russia itself has little to worry about or care. It is up to Serbia and while they may hurt themselves, Russia will be there to help them if there is a need. While I personally think Russia shouldn't help them, they will do so. They always end up doing so in every situation, no matter how many spit in their face.

Those Serbs working in Germany come back in Serbia every summer and bring lot of money to spend there.

That's a direct investment in Serbian economy.

Serbia produces lot of dailylife goods for itself and will keep doing so. They don't rely on other countries for that.

Nato/Russia war will never happen.

This all comes to a time when the nations who produce cheaper goods are growing while nations who produced more expensive products are facing decline and further potential issues.

That's exactly the case of China. They produced cheap stuff so everyone invest there so they got lot of money so their people get used to better life and ask for higher salaries and then their stuff isn't that cheap anymore and the economic growth stops and everyine relocates in other poorer countries.

Under Bush II one guy in his administration said that being neutral is the same as being a hostile state. Sweden is the only country alowed to being "neutral" because it is more embedded into NATO then most NATO member states.

kvs wrote:NATzO will stage a war on Russia.   Any gut feelings telling people otherwise are not worth much.   The hate propaganda campaign against Russia is pure
1930s Nazi style preparation for war.   If NATzO was not interested in war on Russia, then it would not need to dehumanize Russians, create the
Russian "threat" scarecrow, and never once make any positive reports on Russia.    I see only 100% hate agit-prop.  

I will take lessons from history over gut feelings.

Yes, but Russia has Nukes and NATO isn't that fucking stupid.  They are stupid but not that stupid.

Isos wrote:Those Serbs working in Germany come back in Serbia every summer and bring lot of money to spend there.

That's a direct investment in Serbian economy.

Serbia produces lot of dailylife goods for itself and will keep doing so. They don't rely on other countries for that.

For now they can return the money back to Serbia. That wont happen for forever.

As for building stuff, yes they can cause they can still get cheaper resources. But that is also going to come to an end after this situation.

All the eastern countries from EU are just as poor as Serbia. The advantage is that most western EU countries delocalize there and bring them work.

The bad side is that it destroys those wesern countries.

In Montenegro you can mostly find foods from there or from Serbia. In France most or should I say lot of the food is made outside even some "french specialite" are made in Poland or countries like that and imported in France. Our pharma medicines are also made for a big part outside while a country like Serbia has still a lot of stuff made there.

But they are a small country and survive alone. Russia isn't really a big economic partner. China is no better than US. EU is their last hope.

Dunno. Maybe to Serbia Russia wasn't a big economic partner (which sucks cause Russia has a lot to offer and also can buy from Serbia), but when you look at states like Ukraine and Belarus, EU doesn't come close to economic cooperation. Even now with Ukraine gone loco.

I guess major fault was Russia didn't pump enough investment and seek investments to and from Serbia. If they done so, it may have been more enticing for Serbia to not make such a move.

But then again, I feel it would be inevitable as US has too many hands in that country.

We will see what happens in the year to come.

Ukraine and Belorussia had no chance to enter into EU.

They have soviet/russian standards. They are full of poor people that will rush in Germany/France as soon as they open borders. They have a destroyed political system. Their economy is shitty and would need billions of investment. And finally they are corupted from the bottom to the top.

Even Montenegro which is a tinny country compare to them (around 700 k people) is a candidat from 2007 and is trying to solve all the issues since then. It's now 13 years they make lot of efforts to change the country for EU.

Ukraine and Belorussia would need 70 years if not more.

Those dickheads in Ukraine that beleived US who tod them they will go in EU are just stupid. You can't imagine how stupid you need to be to beleive Ukraine or Belorussia have a chance to go in EU by signing two or three "official" documents.

Montenegro's population is over 600 000.


Montenegro has something Ukraine does not have, a legendary toughness; the Old Montenegro was never subjected by the Ottoman Turks while the "anti-Ottoman" Zaporozhian Cossacks became for a time Ottoman vassals.


Montenegrins also defeated the Napoleonic Empire of the French:

http://www.montenet.org/history/petar1.htm


You can also read how Russia diplomatically betrayed Montenegro, and I think the current leaders in Serbia are aware of these betrayals.




Also, impoverished countries like "Mexico of Europe" Poland, Romania, and Bulgaria were allowed to join the European Union.

Contrary to what many might think, Ukraine is not really that worse off than any of these countries.

There might be perhaps up to three millions of Ukrainians from Ukraine currently living in Poland, which is already an EU member state.

Keep hearing how Russia betrayed all these little countries in the region... quite amusing really because I seem to remember they took a lot of shit from the west over their support for Serbia and other states in the area.

But I guess Russia not being able to save them from all of HATO is a much bigger betrayal and much harder to get over than HATO actually bombing their country and murdering their soldiers and policemen and of course helping local terrorists and criminals do the same.

If Serbia wants to forget history and just suck up to the countries that are close and have money to feed from.

They are a country, not a child and they are making their choices... no reason to get upset about it.

I do wonder how long Serbia will be in HATO and the EU before they stop thinking of them as being the bad guys that were friends with Russia.

I sometimes think the Polish russophobia is basically them trying to separate themselves from the Soviets and Russians to improve their standing in the EU...

Who knows.

A bit like Belarus trying to join the EU... you think it will end bad but what are you going to do... you can't force them to do anything and if you try it, will make them want it more.

Isos wrote:All the eastern countries from EU are just as poor as Serbia. The advantage is that most western EU countries delocalize there and bring them work.

In order to compete with China, EU could have outsourced manufacturing to eastern Europe, instead they outsourced manufacturing to China.

Isos wrote:Russia isn't really a big economic partner. China is no better than US. EU is their last hope.

Russia has a small but a skilled workforce. Per capita income is 2X that of China. I wonder why in all these years Putin steadfastly refused to diversify the Russian economy. They could have used the petro dollars to create a world class tech industry and a finance industry. Could have easily created a $5 Trillion economy by now and that would have given the Kremlin considerable heft in world affairs. Yet it remains an economy completely dependent on extraction of natural resources and export of weapons.