Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

Superjet net orders and deliveries (cumulative by year) as of 31 March 2017:



As you can see they already cleared 300 unit break-even number of orders, now they need to reach 300 units manufactured.

Stretch version will be nice addition.

PapaDragon wrote:
Superjet net orders and deliveries (cumulative by year) as of 31 March 2017:



As you can see they already cleared 300 unit break-even number of orders, now they need to reach 300 units manufactured.

Stretch version will be nice addition.

Oh my, 384 units after 10 years. I wonder what it will be like after 20?

Recall this post:

https://www.russiadefence.net/t1054p775-russian-civil-aviation-news#78327

Kyo wrote:

GORKI (Moscow Region), January 26 (Sputnik) – Russia plans to sell up to 1,000 MC-21 mid-range passenger jets within the next 20 years, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said Monday. “The Irkut company plans to sell up to 1,000 of these planes over the next 20 years and we already have 175 solid orders,” Rogozin said during a meeting with Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev outside Moscow.

This is just political posturing. While I'm sure they'll manufacture a couple hundred aircraft within 20 years, I'm just as sure it won't be 1,000. Not only is the market already heavily-saturated with competition, that competition includes long-proven products from Boeing and Airbus.

Rogozin is prone to blustering anyway..

Nobody wants Russian junk. LOL.

If nothing goes sideways MS-21 will be hitting some very decent numbers. It is a product that has some very tangible advantages over the competition (composite wings, passenger space, economy....)

Superjet is sweet aircraft but it is pretty standard when it comes to features. Only real advantage is price. Still it is pulling it's weight. It will definitely leave it's mark in history of airliners.

Also, one of Superjet's potential competitors (Mitsubishi Regional Jet ) has his some development problems recently:
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2582480.html

PapaDragon wrote:
Superjet net orders and deliveries (cumulative by year) as of 31 March 2017:



As you can see they already cleared 300 unit break-even number of orders, now they need to reach 300 units manufactured.

Stretch version will be nice addition.

I am not sure if those data are correct , This one show 127 SSJ in Total has been produced till date

http://superjet100.info/registry-english

kvs wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Superjet net orders and deliveries (cumulative by year) as of 31 March 2017:



As you can see they already cleared 300 unit break-even number of orders, now they need to reach 300 units manufactured.

Stretch version will be nice addition.

Oh my, 384 units after 10 years.   I wonder what it will be like after 20?

Recall this post:

https://www.russiadefence.net/t1054p775-russian-civil-aviation-news#78327

They produced  and delivered about 100+ in first 10 years, so post was right hundreds in first 20 years but not 1.000.


Kyo wrote:
   
GORKI (Moscow Region), January 26 (Sputnik) – Russia plans to sell up to 1,000 MC-21 mid-range passenger jets within the next 20 years, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said Monday.  “The Irkut company plans to sell up to 1,000 of these planes over the next 20 years and we already have 175 solid orders,” Rogozin said during a meeting with Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev outside Moscow.

This is just political posturing. While I'm sure they'll manufacture a couple hundred aircraft within 20 years, I'm just as sure it won't be 1,000. Not only is the market already heavily-saturated with competition, that competition includes long-proven products from Boeing and Airbus.

Rogozin is prone to blustering anyway..

Nobody wants Russian junk.  LOL.

But he was right. In first 10 years they have delivered slighty more then 100 of SSJ. And they will not produce 900 in next 10 years that is for sure. This year maybee they will have 30-35 newly produced SSJ.

And last year they have just 20 new orders, that is quite bad.

Austin wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Superjet net orders and deliveries (cumulative by year) as of 31 March 2017:



As you can see they already cleared 300 unit break-even number of orders, now they need to reach 300 units manufactured.

Stretch version will be nice addition.

I am not sure if those data are correct , This one show 127 SSJ in Total has been produced till date

http://superjet100.info/registry-english

One information is about produced and another about delivered, there is a difference. After production sometimes months have to past in testing and costomisation befor they delevered plane to the costumer.

IIRC the break even for SukhoiSuperjet was 180 Aircraft , So post that Sukhoi would be making handsome returns on this program.

I wonder why Sukhoi is not trying to first capture the CIS market with SSJ and MS-21 program besides their own internal market that would easily translate to more than 600 -1000 aircraft

I think that main problem is maintenace network. Boing Airbus and even Embraer have several decades of creating maintenance network around the globe. So companies know that all malfunctions on their jets could be fixed in minimum time no matter where their jet is.

Sukhoi is new in this business and very small number of companies use their jets for now and therefore there is huge gaps in globe wihout any maintenace facilities for SSJ.

MS 21 will have the same problem.

marat wrote:

But he was right. In first 10 years they have delivered slighty more then 100 of SSJ. And they will not produce 900 in next 10 years that is for sure. This year maybee they will have 30-35 newly produced SSJ.

And last year they have just 20 new orders, that is quite bad.

What the hell are you smoking. The 384 figure is the actual order book. No company ignores their order book.
And regardless of your semantics, if you are going to count only the aircraft produced then 10 years is not
valid and the more correct figure is under six years since the 5 years are just the bootstrap phase.
So 20 years does not start in 2007.

The clown I quoted is debunked on the basis of the posted figures. But this is an extrapolation to the MC-21
which he alleges will never exceed 1000 units. Your basic "proof" by assertion.

marat wrote:I think that main problem is maintenace network. Boing Airbus and even Embraer have several decades of creating maintenance network around the globe. So companies know that all malfunctions on their jets could be fixed in minimum time no matter where their jet is.

Sukhoi is new in this business and very small number of companies use their jets for now and therefore there is huge gaps in globe wihout any maintenace facilities for  SSJ.

MS 21 will have the same problem.

Boeing is a partner of Sukhoi Civil Aircraft (SCA) for customer support outside of CIS. Mexico's Interjet (the second biggest customer of the type, after Aeroflot) has been operating the SSJ for many years with an impressive availability rate (above 99%), which puts it on a par with both Boeing and Airbus aircraft. So this is not a problem anymore.

UAC is working on developing maintenance network globally for MS-21.

This is not something that they neglected even though it is not covered as much in the media.

So they are getting close to the 400 order range. Very impressive, for Sukhois first civil aircraft. Austin is right, break even was 180 (aircraft and engines) so the next 200 aircraft is just icing on top of this cake.

Anyway, as I mentioned before, the government is looking at setting up a cheap regional airline company and they will order specifically SSJ's. I imagine they will for MS-21 as well.

kvs wrote:What the hell are you smoking.   The 384 figure is the actual order book.   No company ignores their order book.  

I think they are hard and soft orders , Last time Putin mentioned Superjet had an order of 150 aircraft

But even I am looking for this data on actual order of Sukhoi Superjet .seems hard to find

S7 plans to purchase 17 Embraer aircraft to the end of the year


Подробнее на ТАСС:
http://tass.ru/ekonomika/4243473


I am wondering why does S7 not purchase SSJ-100 in LR configuration instead of Embraer ?

They need to streamline purchase and if Russian option is available just forbid any Russian airlines to buy foreign aircraft

Corruption of the private sector. Can't stop them unless you want to hurt investment opportunities. Hence why they are aiming at creating small regional airliners to support local made jets.

Don't know why they purchase embraer jets. It was like my air Canada flight, flying an embraer and not a bombardier jet.

Embrace 170 is also more expensive than SSJ-100 LR. So I wonder if Russian authorities are going to eventually approach and ask as to why they won't purchase it? Its more efficient than the Embraer, cheaper, and mostly domestically made. So there must be something else.

It should also be entirely illegal to obtain a suitcase of money to make a decision.

Unless Embraer is selling them at a loss, which is something Bombardier does.

Austin wrote:S7 plans to purchase 17 Embraer aircraft to the end of the year

Подробнее на ТАСС:
http://tass.ru/ekonomika/4243473

I am wondering why does S7 not purchase  SSJ-100 in LR configuration instead of Embraer ?

They need to streamline purchase and if Russian option is available just forbid any Russian airlines to buy foreign aircraft

Embraer E-170 and SSJ-100 may belong to same class but are not entirely compatible.

On average E-170 carries 20 passengers less than SSJ-100 but has roughly 800km longer range.

That and delivery date probably affected decision making.

Remarkable thing about this photo is that it could have been taken over much of northern Scandinavia.

JohninMK wrote:Remarkable thing about this photo is that it could have been taken over much of northern Scandinavia.
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Yup, pretty much only things that break the illusion are type of grass and KAMAZ fire-trucks.

Fifth SSJ-100 delivered to CityJet:

https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/93323/

engines seem way low

Rmf wrote:
engines seem way low

Agreed, way too low...

The fuselage is being propped up by the orange framework. The landing gear are not fully extended.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/picture-mc-21-undergoes-taxiing-and-ground-tests-437212/

Scratch my previous post.

There is zero issue here, look at the A320:




The bottom of the engines is aligned with the wheel axels. Looks to be identical to the clearance of the MC-21.