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    Post  George1 Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:41 am

    Russia Looks To Resurrect Il-114

    Worsening relations between Moscow, the new regime in Kiev and the latter’s supporters in the West have prompted the Russian government to “dust off” the Ilyushin-114 turboprop. The Kremlin favors the outdated, but home-grown, design to Ukraine’s Antonov An-140, now in low-rate production at the Aviacor plant in Samara, and the Bombardier Q400, local production of which by Russian aerospace conglomerate Rostec remains under negotiation. Russian deputy prime minister Dmitry Rogozin, who appears on the EU’s sanctions list, acts as the driving force behind the Il-114, often suggesting it as a direct alternative to the Rostec Q400 plan. A development in favor of the Il-114 ocurred on September 9, when Rogozin chaired a meeting of government officials with various ministries and industry heads. “The meeting […] approved of Il-114 production restart,” said Rogozin. “The Ilyushin design house is ready to accept the work.” He stressed that the effort requires “a complete digitizing” of the original drawings after “a deep modernization”.

    President Vladimir Putin gave his personal approval for Rogozin’s initiative in August, with a rider that the government should evaluate “commercial worthiness” of such a project. Shortly thereafter, general manager Aleksei Gusev declared Aviacor’s intent to accept the work. The plant makes the An-140 under license from Antonov. A Ukrainian design, however, that 52-seat turboprop has fallen into disfavor due to deteriorating relations with the new regime in Kiev.

    Russia’s ministry for industry and trade initially expressed concern about the age of the Il-114s design and a lack of commercial viability. On September 9 the Kremlin gave the ministry two weeks to reconsider its earlier evaluation of the home-grown airplane and prepare a plan in support of it.

    Run by the Russian Machines privately held corporation, the Aviacor plant in Samara is not a member in Russia’s United Aircraft Corporation (UAC). Nevertheless, its owners and the Samara regional administration have expressed readiness to invest into the Il-114 project. The local authorities have promised to invest between 1 billion roubles ($27 million) and 1.5 billion roubles ($40 million) into Aviacor’s modernization, according to Samara governor Nikolai Merkushkin. Estimates place total investment needed for the project at 8 billion to 12 billion roubles. Rework of the original drawings and their digitizing would take another 3 billion roubles to 4 billion roubles.

    After some hesitation, Ilyushin agreed “refresh” the Il-114, originally designed to a 1987 specification. First flown in 1990 and certified in 1997, the airplane could transport 64 passengers 900 km. Its superb loitering capability makes it attractive to the Russian defense ministry, making it a more likely candidate for a larger production run.

    The biggest issue now lay with the airplane’s Klimov TV7-117S/SM turboprops. Even though the Russian engine has demonstrated lower fuel burn than Pratt & Whitney Canada’s PW127H on the Westernized Il-114-100 certified in 1999, it also showed lower reliability and on-wing lifetime in Il-114 revenue service. The engine maker has many times reported developments of newer, more powerful and more mature versions, including the TV7-117SM and Bogatyr for the Il-112 tactical airlifter now in development. None, however, have entered serial production. If not for political considerations, the PW127H (Il-114-100) or the TV3-117VMA-SBM1 (developed for the An-140) might rank as candidates for the powerplant requirement.

    Ilyushin developed the Il-114 in the late 1980s as an alternative to the British Aerospace Advanced Turboprop (ATP), which BAe offered to the Soviet Union for local production in 1985. In the early 1990s the airplane entered low-rate production at the TAPO plant in Tashkent, the capital of Uzbekistan. TAPO built about 20 airframes. Seven Il-114-100s with Canadian engines and U.S.-made propellers, APUs, avionics and interiors remain in revenue service with Uzbekistan Airways. They have reportedly yielded an annual utilization rate of 1,800 flight hours, barely sufficient to generate a profit.

    The Ilyushin’s empty equipped weight, at 16 tons, totals 3 tons more than that of the ATR 72-600; the Franco-Italian aircraft can seat up to 74 passengers in high-density layout, while the Ilyushin can take only 64 (in a cabin with similar dimensions) due to current certification restrictions. The big wing (880 sq ft compared with the ATR 72-600’s 690 sq ft) retards the airplane in cruise flight but gives it superb loitering capability at slow speeds.

    Only one Russian airline—Vyborg—operated the Il-114 commercially, taking a pair of reworked aircraft previously operated by Uzbekistan Airways. Revenue flights lasted from 1999 until 2010, when the company disbanded, leaving both aircraft parked at Pskov airport after the service lives of its TV7-117S expired. The only TV7-117SM-powered airplane still operating belongs to Russia’s Radar-MMS radar company, serving as a testbed for radio-electronics.


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    Post  GarryB Sat Sep 27, 2014 7:52 am

    It is interesting they are looking at digitising the design of the Il-114 and then giving it a deep modernisation... presumably removing all the western avionics and equipment and replacing it with Russian kit.

    The fact that they are working on new engines suggests the aircraft they will be producing for the Russian military will be economically useful for commercial airlines... with the upgrades all paid for by the military and orders for aircraft guaranteed it makes it much less of a risk for a commercial airline to make an order... which would make it much more competitive.

    According to the article, the Russian engine is already more fuel efficient than the foreign models, it just has issues with reliability and parts life.
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    Post  Austin Sat Oct 11, 2014 12:01 pm

    What ever happened to the big order Tu-204SM were suppose to get ? After the sanction it becomes all the more important they buy it in big number.

    Else they would just make an ass of themself if they talk about Tu-204SM order and buy more Boeing or Airbus
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    Post  George1 Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:45 pm

    Angara Airlines took delivery of its fourth An-148 aircraft
    Russian Aviaton » Thursday October 16, 2014 18:44 MSK

    Angara Airlines took delivery of its fourth short-haul An-148 aircraft delivered to the carrier under a contract with Sberbank Leasing Nord, the airline’s press-service reports.

    «On October 14th 2014 the fourth An-148-100 jet arrived in Irkutsk. The aircraft was delivered to Angara Airlines under a financial lease agreement with Sberbank Leasing Nord. Thus An-148 fleet of Angara was expanded to 4 aircraft», - said in the carrier’s press-service.

    We remind you that the first three An-148 jets were delivered to Angara Airlines in 2012. It was the first delivery of new aircraft to Irkutsk Region in several tens of years. An-148 jets have proven their worth during operation and confirmed that these aircraft are well suited for operation in Siberia and Far East.

    The fourth aircraft is identical to liners delivered in 2012 in terms of aircraft performance. Its passenger capacity is 75 seats. The jet’s tail number is RA-61709; the liner is painted in the livery of Angara Airlines. According to Deputy Director of Angara Airlines, Konstantin Nesterenko, the fleet expansion program will allow the carrier to expand its geography of flights. At present the new route network is being formed.

    Angara Airlines is one of the largest carriers in Eastern Siberia. It performs regular flights to Irkutsk Region and other regions of Siberian Federal District as well as charter flights to other regions of Russia. The fleet of Angara Airlines comprises 7 An-24 aircraft, 2 An-26-100s, 4 An-2s, 4 An-148-100Es and 15 Mi-8 helicopters», - the airline noted.
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    Post  George1 Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:46 pm

    Moscow Confirms Plans to Supply Sukhoi Superjets to Indonesia

    MOSCOW, October 21 (RIA Novosti) - Russia’s Ministry of Industry and Trade in a press release on Tuesday confirmed its plans to supply up to 15 Sukhoi Superjet 100 (SSJ-100) planes to Indonesia within the next three years.

    During an official visit to Jakarta, Russian Industry and Trade Minister Denis Manturov said that “in the nearest future we will make a decision on the planes delivered [in accordance with previous agreements], and also plan to sign contracts on 15 new planes within the next three years”.

    Under a deal signed in 2011, Russia agreed to supply twelve SSJ-100 planes to Indonesian company PT Sky Aviation. The contract was estimated at $380.4 million. In 2013, PT Sky Aviation began experiencing financial difficulties, and its activities were frozen. By that time, Russia has delivered only three planes.

    The Sukhoi company and Russia’s Ministry for Industry and Trade’s representative office in Jakarta are currently looking for financially stable air carriers, which will be able to organize commercially profitable operation of SSJ-100 planes, already delivered to Indonesia.

    The Sukhoi Superjet 100 is a modern Russian civil aircraft, which conducted its first flight in 2008. It is developed by the Sukhoi company in cooperation with several international partners. The plane is optimized for short-to-medium flights.
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    Post  George1 Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:49 pm

    Nikolai Merkushkin valued the project for launching production of Il-114 aircraft at 24 billion rubles
    Russian Aviaton » Wednesday October 22, 2014 14:40 MSK

    The launch of production of upgraded Il-114 aircraft will require about 24 billion rubles of investments, governor of Samara Region, Nikolai Merkushkin, told RIA Novosti.

    Earlier the Deputy Chairman of Russian Government, Dmitry Rogozin, said that President Vladimir Putin supports the idea of developing a passenger aircraft derived from Il-114. According to Rogozin, China is interested in joint production of the aircraft. He also added that this vehicle is able to carry out patrol missions on behalf of the Ministry of Defense.

    "In order to launch the production of Il-114 we will need around 24 billion rubles allocated from the federal budget", — Merkushkin said noting that he hopes that the production will be launched in Samara Region. He believes that Aviacor is one of the most suitable enterprises for this task.

    "The government will have to invest a lot of money, but Aviacor is a private company. Will the private company be able to invest money on parity basis? What relations will be established between the parties? And so on. This is the big problem. We are working on it… We will negotiate with the owner", — the governor added. Merkushkin also added: "We are ready to support the project no matter how complex the budget will be".

    In August President of Russia, Vladimir Putin, instructed the government, Ministry of Defense, Presidential Plenipotentiary Envoy to Privolzhsky Federal District (and other organizations involved) to estimate the cost of a project for launching mass production of Il-114 aircraft at Aviacor aviation plant (Samara). Experts told RIA Novosti that the vehicle needs significant upgrade; in particular, the engines and all the avionics must be replaced.

    Il-114 turboprop was developed by Ilyushin design bureau in 1980s for operation on regional routes. According to some sources, less than 20 Il-114s have been manufactured. Later a number of civil and military versions of the aircraft have been developed.

    Aviacor is the aviation plant, one of the Russian aircraft industry’s largest enterprises. Its core business is aircraft production, repair, maintenance as well as deliveries of spare parts for Tu-154M and An-140 aircraft. The plant is one of Russian enterprises having experience in the area of mass production of civil and military aircraft (using components manufactured by the enterprise on its own). It is part of Russian Machines Corporation, which comprises machine-building assets of Basic Element Group.
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    Post  Viktor Sun Nov 02, 2014 11:23 am

    Nice thumbsup

    Russia will supply to Indonesia 15 Sukhoi Superjet 100 aircraft in three years
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    Post  Austin Tue Nov 11, 2014 6:57 pm

    Some official info on Chinese-Russian Wide Body Jet

    http://en.itar-tass.com/economy/759157

    “We intend to elaborate this project and economic issues related to its implementation soon. Within the next 9-10 years this program should enter the market,” According to him, the flight tests of the plane with a cruising range of 12,000 kilometers and capacity of up to 300 passengers are to be launched in early 2020.

    And Engine would be in 30 T class

    http://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2014/11/11/314107.html

    "We Chinese colleagues are actively discussing the creation of a joint project of the engine capacity from 30 tons and up to wide-haul aircraft," - he said.
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    Post  George1 Mon Nov 17, 2014 1:13 pm

    UAC: A wide-body aircraft developed by Russia and China will enter market in 9 or 10 years
    Russian Aviaton » Monday November 17, 2014 14:19 MSK

    A wide-body aircraft developed by Russia and China will enter market in 9 or 10 years, ITAR-TASS reports with reference to the president of United Aircraft Corporation (UAC), Mikhail Pogosyan.

    “In the near term we are going to start the detailed design stage and assess the economic feasibility of the project. The program should enter market in 9 or 10 years,” Pogosyan said at Airshow China-2014.
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    According to him, flight testing of the aircraft seating 300 passengers and having a range of 12,000 km should be started in early 2020s.

    According to Pogosyan, the initial stage of development is being started; the parties are looking for potential suppliers and define the scheme of cooperation.

    “We have already defined major requirements for the jet,” the president of UAC stated.

    Deputy Minister of Industry and Trade, Yuri Slusar, said the aircraft might enter market by 2025. “The jet is going to enter the market by 2025. If my memory serves me right its maiden flight is scheduled for 2021-2022,” he noted.

    According to him, the implementation of this project has already been started. Both Moscow and Beijing support the project. “Next May we will start the detailed design stage of this project. We will showcase the results of this program,” Slusar promised. He expressed hope that the jet’s advantages in terms of aircraft performance and economics will be demonstrated at this stage.

    “The project looks promising,” the Deputy Minister stated.

    He also noted that the new liner should be in demand not only at Russian and Chinese markets. “It makes no sense to implement such project for just one country, even such a large one as China,” he explained.
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    Post  George1 Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:31 pm

    Russia to Begin Serial Production of MS-21 Airliner in 2017

    The test prototype of the MS-21 airliner will be manufactured before the end of 2015, the first flight will be made in the first half of 2016, and the airliner will go into production in 2017. These statements were made by Russian Trade and Industry Minister Denis Manturov.

    “The MS-21 program is being implemented according to schedule. The production line will be constructed in late May 2015. This makes us confident that the first prototype of the aircraft will be ready next year. Active efforts are being made to substitute imported materials and systems in the new aircraft with Russian-made products. We are developing the PD-14 engine, advanced aircraft systems and airborne equipment,” Mr. Manturov said.

    “The market outlook for the MS-21 demand is optimistic. The interest in purchasing the aircraft is strong. The competitive price advantage has increased. The contracts have been signed and advance payments made for as many as 175 aircraft. We are planning to obtain the IAC certificate in late 2017 – early 2018,” Mr. Manturov concluded.
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    Post  Austin Fri Nov 28, 2014 2:59 pm

    Russian aircraft SSJ-100 will receive five new competitive advantages

    The results of the five key areas will enhance the operational capabilities of the liner, reduce fuel consumption, help to optimize the weight of the structure and increase the comfort of passengers, said in an interview with RIA Novosti special correspondent Alexander Kovalev, the chief designer of aircraft Vladimir Lavrov.


    MOSCOW, November 19 - RIA Novosti, Alexander Kovalev. The experience of the first years of operation will be considered in the improvement of the Russian airliner Sukhoi Superjet 100 (SSJ-100). The results of the five key areas will enhance the operational capabilities of the liner, reduce fuel consumption, help to optimize the weight of the structure and increase the comfort of passengers, said in an interview with RIA Novosti chief designer of aircraft Vladimir Lavrov.
    Heat to plus 50 - now is not an obstacle

    "In 2014, we successfully completed a series of certification tests basing aircraft at airfields with high outdoor temperature. During the test demonstrated reliable operation of systems and aircraft engines, as well as the opportunity to provide comfortable conditions on board for crew and passengers, estimated performance SSJ -100 at plus 50 degrees Celsius, "- said Lavrov.

    According to him, special attention was paid to maintaining a high level of passenger comfort in the operation of aircraft in hot weather.

    "People - they are all different. Remember your neighbors flights: one cold, the other - hot. Therefore, in the process of testing is being evaluated a wide range of parameters of the internal environment in the cabin," - told the agency.

    Among them, the cooling time after the cabin of the aircraft parking apron in the hot, the temperature distribution in size cabin in flight in order to assess ventilation systems, evaluation of purity of the supply air, the system of individual airflow.

    "All of them are extremely important during the flight in hot and humid climates. I am sure that the combination of high flight characteristics and conditions provided on board, will be appreciated by our potential customers in Southeast Asia and India," - said the chief designer.

    SSJ-100 will expand the operating conditions at high altitude airfields


    Another important step taken to confirm the inherent characteristics of the SSJ-100, as well as to further advance towards the customers - is an extension of the conditions on the base airfield altitude - 3300 meters above sea level.

    "We have to show and prove the possibility of basing aircraft in mountainous airports, which is very important in deciding in favor of the choice of this machine for the Asian, Latin American and Indian customers. On the territory of Russia as alpine airfields there, so to choose the place of upcoming tests and organize appropriate expedition "- said Lavrov.

    "We are now working on the preparation of these tests. A special feature of these tests is as follows: the higher the aerodrome is located, which will be performed certification tests, the higher will be officially documented height of the possible use of SSJ-100," - said the official.

    Weight reduction saves fuel


    The need to improve the operational efficiency of the airplane forcing manufacturers to constantly think about weight loss liners, but without prejudice to flight safety.

    "Issues of weight control and weight reduction when working on improving aircraft pays constant attention. Together with our suppliers we have achieved effective weight reduction and interior equipment for SSJ-100" - Lavrov said.

    In particular, he said, "now we are planning to hold the certification of work and offer our customers the opportunity to establish a new model of passenger seats, resulting in a further reduction in weight."

    "There will also be some changes in the airframe. In the process of production we are also being sought technical solutions to optimize the design of some places that are more reliable and efficient and at the same time will reduce the total weight of the SSJ-100," - said the chief designer.

    Changes in avionics


    Underway and work on a phased expansion of the functions onboard avionics.

    "We have already received approval for a given change in the part of the vertical navigation - VNAV mode is implemented for the first time in the Russian plane. We have already certified automatic landing CAT IIIA ICAO, and are currently working on validation of the approval of IAC in EASA", - said Lavrov.

    New wingtips (wingtips)


    SSJ-100 will also receive a new wingtips (wingtips), designed in such a way as to optimize the characteristics of the aircraft and reduce fuel consumption.

    "Wingtips help avoid turbulent eddies on the wing tips, thus reduce fuel consumption - generally between 3% and 4% in addition to what already has been achieved. The new wing tips, will also apply to the business version of the aircraft SSJ-100 and his version of extended range, designed for longer flights, "- said Lavrov.

    In 2015, planned to produce prototypes endings for SSJ-100, and after certification testing this option will offer customers.

    The chief designer said that to confirm the claimed resource Sukhoi Superjet 100 extended range TsAGI from Komsomolsk-on-Amur delivered airframe serial number 95075.

    "Now TsAGI worth SSJ-100 with serial number 95002. This aircraft for static tests that have been completed in the amount of certification work and will continue to confirm the maximum load-bearing capacity of the structure. As for the aircraft under the number 95075, which was delivered in TsAGI in November, this model of the aircraft extended range for fatigue tests. In accordance with the amount laid down in their program, testing is scheduled to TsAGI for several years ", - concluded the chief designer of the SSJ-100 Vladimir Lavrov.

    http://ria.ru/science/20141127/1035441275.html
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    Post  George1 Fri Dec 05, 2014 9:49 am

    Service Сenters for MS-21 to Be Opened in All Airports of Russia and CIS

    Affiliates of Aviation Service Center (ASC), part of the holding “Aircraft Equipment”, may be opened in all airports of Russia and the CIS, where the promising Russian passenger aircraft MS-21will fly, a spokesman of the holding told RIA Novosti on Wednesday.

    Created by the corporation “Irkut”, a new airliner MS-21 in the future will be used for Airways of Russia and other countries.

    As the Minister of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov reported in November, the first flight of the MS-21 is planned for the first half of 2016.

    The establishment of service centers is revealed in the Memorandum of Understanding to provide logistical support of MS-21, signed on the eve between the Aviation Service Center and the Corporation “Irkut”.
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    Post  TheArmenian Tue Dec 09, 2014 6:41 pm

    Latest on the Civilian aircraft front:

    31st Superjet for 2014 makes first flight:
    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/55954/

    Tu-214 for Rossiya (SLO) makes first flight:
    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/55966/

    As of today, the year to date tally for 2014 stands as follows:

    Superjet            31
    An-148                2
    An-140                2
    Il-96                    0
    Tu-204/214          1
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    Total                 35



    There is a very good chance that by the end of this year the 40 aircraft mark will be reached or exceeded.
    Russian airliner output is slowly but surely on its way to become once again a major player in the global market.
    Compare that to the total for the full year of 2013.

    Superjet         24
    An-148              6
    An-140              3
    Il-96                  1
    Tu-204/214        2
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    Total               36

    Also note that I am not counting cargo aircraft -one Il-76 made a first flight this year - two more will fly in 2015 and four in 2016.Production f Il-76 will eventually reach 8 or more per year.

    In addition, the Taganrog plant is producing Be-200 amphibians. The first one will fly in 2015.
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    Post  TR1 Tue Dec 09, 2014 9:15 pm

    A present player in the Regional market. I wouldn't go nearly as far as saying a major player in the market as a whole, where Russia has next to no presence, and that won't change for years.

    Even Superjet is not exactly flying off the order book, not enough to call it a major player even in the regional market alone.

    Sad but true. And the current political situation is really not helping the SSJs case.

    Thailand ordered 3 VIP SSJs recently.
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    Post  sepheronx Tue Dec 09, 2014 9:25 pm

    What is current order SSJ-100? I read somewhere around 200. If that is the case, it will be probably Russias most successful airliner jet. Next will end up being MS-21. Exciting really and I am happy to hear it is going decent.

    I heard Iran was interested in manufacturing TU-204sm. Any news on this? Would be good for both sides.
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    Post  flamming_python Wed Dec 10, 2014 11:33 am

    TR1 wrote:A present player in the Regional market. I wouldn't go nearly as far as saying a major player in the market as a whole, where Russia has next to no presence, and that won't change for years.

    Even Superjet is not exactly flying off the order book, not enough to call it a major player even in the regional market alone.

    Sad but true. And the current political situation is really not helping the SSJs case.

    Thailand ordered 3 VIP SSJs recently.

    You can thank the pilots who crashed it into a mountain in Indonesia too; full of PR & press people, government representatives.
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    Post  George1 Thu Dec 11, 2014 4:21 am

    Program «Frigate Ecojet»
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    Post  kvs Thu Dec 11, 2014 4:53 am

    sepheronx wrote:What is current order SSJ-100? I read somewhere around 200. If that is the case, it will be probably Russias most successful airliner jet. Next will end up being MS-21. Exciting really and I am happy to hear it is going decent.

    I have been listening to SSJ-100 naysaying for years. First the drivel went that it was a vapourware product. Then when it actually flew the
    tune changed to it would have no orders. Now that the orders are half decent we have the refrain that there are not enough. As it is obvious
    what is enough. The market is not exactly served just by Sukhoi. We Embraer and the upcoming Bombardier products. The market is not
    exactly free since there are political blocs (e.g. NATO) that favour their own. Russia is actually fighting an uphill battle to sell its civilian jets.

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    Post  Mike E Thu Dec 11, 2014 4:59 am

    kvs wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:What is current order SSJ-100? I read somewhere around 200. If that is the case, it will be probably Russias most successful airliner jet. Next will end up being MS-21. Exciting really and I am happy to hear it is going decent.
    upcoming Bombardier products.  
    Gotta say, this is the first time I prefer the Western product... Then again, I am a Bombardier shareholder! lol1
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    Post  sepheronx Thu Dec 11, 2014 5:19 am

    kvs wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:What is current order SSJ-100? I read somewhere around 200. If that is the case, it will be probably Russias most successful airliner jet. Next will end up being MS-21. Exciting really and I am happy to hear it is going decent.

    I have been listening to SSJ-100 naysaying for years.   First the drivel went that it was a vapourware product.  Then when it actually flew the
    tune changed to it would have no orders.   Now that the orders are half decent we have the refrain that there are not enough.   As it is obvious
    what is enough.   The market is not exactly served just by Sukhoi.  We Embraer and the upcoming Bombardier products.   The market is not
    exactly free since there are political blocs (e.g. NATO) that favour their own.    Russia is actually fighting an uphill battle to sell its civilian jets.


    I read that the total orders are around 280 aircraft with an option of 118. If this is true, this would make the SSJ-100 one of Russia's most popular civil jets ever. MS-21 apparently has orders of 250 aircraft. I have to say, this is far better in recent years for Russian regional Jets than previously. I was against it at first due to where components came from (still weary due to current political climate), but at least it has turned Russian civil airline industry around.
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    Post  kvs Thu Dec 11, 2014 5:52 am

    Mike E wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:What is current order SSJ-100? I read somewhere around 200. If that is the case, it will be probably Russias most successful airliner jet. Next will end up being MS-21. Exciting really and I am happy to hear it is going decent.
    upcoming Bombardier products.  
    Gotta say, this is the first time I prefer the Western product... Then again, I am a Bombardier shareholder! lol1

    The CSeries is noticeably larger:

    CS100 MTOW: 58,967 kg
    SSJ100 MTOW: 38,820 kg

    The cost for the CSeries is almost twice as much as for the SSJ. The specs for the MC-21-200 are closer to the CS100 than the SSJ100.
    If it is priced competitively then it will be more bang for the buck than the CSeries with an almost 50% greater seating capacity.

    Even though I listed the CSeries as a competitor for the SSJ it really is in the next size class. But the market for both overlaps and
    they will be competitors. Russia needs to get the MC-21 to market quickly.
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    Post  kvs Thu Dec 11, 2014 5:54 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:What is current order SSJ-100? I read somewhere around 200. If that is the case, it will be probably Russias most successful airliner jet. Next will end up being MS-21. Exciting really and I am happy to hear it is going decent.

    I have been listening to SSJ-100 naysaying for years.   First the drivel went that it was a vapourware product.  Then when it actually flew the
    tune changed to it would have no orders.   Now that the orders are half decent we have the refrain that there are not enough.   As it is obvious
    what is enough.   The market is not exactly served just by Sukhoi.  We Embraer and the upcoming Bombardier products.   The market is not
    exactly free since there are political blocs (e.g. NATO) that favour their own.    Russia is actually fighting an uphill battle to sell its civilian jets.


    I read that the total orders are around 280 aircraft with an option of 118.  If this is true, this would make the SSJ-100 one of Russia's most popular civil jets ever.  MS-21 apparently has orders of 250 aircraft.  I have to say, this is far better in recent years for Russian regional Jets than previously.  I was against it at first due to where components came from (still weary due to current political climate), but at least it has turned Russian civil airline industry around.

    We are still in a partial sanctions regime and not total sanctions regime. Russia has not disrupted titanium shipments to Boeing and others
    and for now NATO has not sanctioned Russian civil aircraft. But things can go south rapidly. NATO is working itself up into a hysterical
    lather.
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    Post  TR1 Thu Dec 11, 2014 7:04 am

    AFAIK the total firm contracts are for about 160 airframes today, with another 24 options by those companies.

    Theres a number of frozen contracts that could become viable, and a number of intentions that will likely become firm orders.

    It's not bad, but in a few years yearly production will easily outstrip orders of they don't get more orders soon. Politics might hurt the SSJ badly. Hopefully doesn't turn into the government having to buy airframes to sustain the project.

    There was no question about it being more successful than any other post Soviet Russian airliner for many years now. But then again, that isn't saying much.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Dec 11, 2014 10:24 am

    Western militaries have propped up their respective civilian aircraft companies for years... there are some roles a civilian airliner is ideal for... most modern MPAs are airliner based, and the same goes for AWACS and inflight refuelling aircraft, and other platforms like Intel etc.

    Now that the Russian military is spending money its civilian aircraft can reap the benefits... just with the Il-112 and Il-114 the fact that the military will pay for the digitisation of the design and its total upgrade with all non western components will actually make it much more attractive to countries who have issues with the west and don't want to make their civilian and military subject to western sanctions.
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    Post  Mike E Thu Dec 11, 2014 11:12 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Mike E wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:What is current order SSJ-100? I read somewhere around 200. If that is the case, it will be probably Russias most successful airliner jet. Next will end up being MS-21. Exciting really and I am happy to hear it is going decent.
    upcoming Bombardier products.  
    Gotta say, this is the first time I prefer the Western product... Then again, I am a Bombardier shareholder! lol1

    The CSeries is noticeably larger:

    CS100  MTOW: 58,967 kg
    SSJ100 MTOW: 38,820 kg

    The cost for the CSeries is almost twice as much as for the SSJ.   The specs for the MC-21-200 are closer to the CS100 than the SSJ100.
    If it is priced competitively then it will be more bang for the buck than the CSeries with an almost 50% greater seating capacity.

    Even though I listed the CSeries as a competitor for the SSJ it really is in the next size class.   But the market for both overlaps and
    they will be competitors.   Russia needs to get the MC-21 to market quickly.
    Yep, they are in completely different markets, but that doesn't mean I cannot compare the two. Very Happy Dollar for dollar (ruble for ruble) the SSJ is better, but the CSeries is a more advanced jet in general.

    I can't wait to see the MS-21, it and the CSeries are going to be the only composites in their respective markets.

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