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calm wrote:Yeah, but Syria has won. Damascus is safe, and so is Assad. They have survived. Maybe some partitions will happen but battle of survival is finished, and looks like Syrians have won that one.
And no, Deer will not fall, that is impossible, i refuse to believe in that.
SeigSoloyvov wrote:calm wrote:Yeah, but Syria has won. Damascus is safe, and so is Assad. They have survived. Maybe some partitions will happen but battle of survival is finished, and looks like Syrians have won that one.
And no, Deer will not fall, that is impossible, i refuse to believe in that.
Removing Assad was just a bonus objective, capturing the eastern part of the country was the main goal so yes Assad can lose, he hasn't yet but it's looking more like he will.
It hasn't fallen yet but they have lost points, nothing major yet still ISIS is going balls to the walls.
SeigSoloyvov wrote:calm wrote:Yeah, but Syria has won. Damascus is safe, and so is Assad. They have survived. Maybe some partitions will happen but battle of survival is finished, and looks like Syrians have won that one.
And no, Deer will not fall, that is impossible, i refuse to believe in that.
Removing Assad was just a bonus objective, capturing the eastern part of the country was the main goal so yes Assad can lose, he hasn't yet but it's looking more like he will.
It hasn't fallen yet but they have lost points, nothing major yet still ISIS is going balls to the walls.
SeigSoloyvov wrote:calm wrote:Yeah, but Syria has won. Damascus is safe, and so is Assad. They have survived. Maybe some partitions will happen but battle of survival is finished, and looks like Syrians have won that one.
And no, Deer will not fall, that is impossible, i refuse to believe in that.
Removing Assad was just a bonus objective, capturing the eastern part of the country was the main goal so yes Assad can lose, he hasn't yet but it's looking more like he will.
It hasn't fallen yet but they have lost points, nothing major yet still ISIS is going balls to the walls.
SeigSoloyvov wrote:MaT reports that they will soon have operations inside Deir Ezzor Governate, and they will establish a base there.
ISIS has taken some points within Deir-Azor and their offensive is on going.
Syrians are closer and closer to losing this war. At this point, Assad is going to lose. Unless someone gets his act together real god dam fast
Daraa is a pointless offensive and Tan-if well that could have waited, sure it's a legitimate target but it's not of dire important.
Once Deir falls and at this rate it's going to, Kurds or FSA will sweep in.
Again tho anyone with a functional mind can see this.
lycantrop wrote:SeigSoloyvov wrote:MaT reports that they will soon have operations inside Deir Ezzor Governate, and they will establish a base there.
ISIS has taken some points within Deir-Azor and their offensive is on going.
Syrians are closer and closer to losing this war. At this point, Assad is going to lose. Unless someone gets his act together real god dam fast
Daraa is a pointless offensive and Tan-if well that could have waited, sure it's a legitimate target but it's not of dire important.
Once Deir falls and at this rate it's going to, Kurds or FSA will sweep in.
Again tho anyone with a functional mind can see this.
So because an illegal invedor is planning setting up an base in D-Azor makes it legitimate to "take it away"?
This is Syrian land, and not Kurds or USA or ISIS, THIS IS SYRIA LAND!
They can stick their base right into their a.., its illegal, and Assad said clearly, he will recapture every inch of Syria.
Imagin i crack into your home and i take a big shit in your living room and say "i marked it, the living room is mine now! you have no right to recapture it!
If you try to recapture it, I will fight you in name of selfe defence!"
That makes no fuckin sense!
Again, no one gives a flying f... if the zionists plan to establish a base in D-Zour.
IT DOES NOT LEGITIMAZE THE INVADER TO UTILISE SYRIAN SOILD/LAND!
Are they on drugs?
SAA/HEZB/IRAN/IRAQ WILL NOT TOLERATE IT!
WHAT THEY WILL DO IF HUNDRED OF THOUSANDS WILL encircle this illegal base?
Will they bomb SAA on Syria soil?
Then they should be ready for counter reaction....this will be legitimate self defence then! And then you will see first falling jets...
Vann7 wrote:SeigSoloyvov wrote:calm wrote:Yeah, but Syria has won. Damascus is safe, and so is Assad. They have survived. Maybe some partitions will happen but battle of survival is finished, and looks like Syrians have won that one.
And no, Deer will not fall, that is impossible, i refuse to believe in that.
Removing Assad was just a bonus objective, capturing the eastern part of the country was the main goal so yes Assad can lose, he hasn't yet but it's looking more like he will.
It hasn't fallen yet but they have lost points, nothing major yet still ISIS is going balls to the walls.
The war will not end for Syria until Syrian military defeated. And they can last another decade
with Russia IRAN help. So is not over yet. And while this war last. the image of US and allies in public opinion sinks to the button. could provoke major civil unrest. this could be a long long war with territory switching hands
to one side or another. Syria war ,needs to be seen as a very long race of resistance. and not of speed. Syria army lost palmyra ,and took it back.and traded gains. On a side note.. Notice how ISIS offers little resistance to Kurds. but fight to death
to the last soldier against Syrian army.. If this doesn't ring alarms on anyone of how FAKE is NATO war on ISIS. nothing will. Much of this claims of "how effective" are the kurds are against ISIS , is just Bullshit propaganda. ISIS is controlled by NATO and SAudi Arabia , they
are supplied with weapons and food by NATO cargo planes. several reports have seen about this. and many of this zones that Kurds in IRAQ and Syria "liberate" is in reality a transfer of lands with a shake of hands or ISIS change their names and flag and claim now city is "liberated". But still Syria army can't enter there. there are a few ISIS fighters ,useless for them ,that they sacrifice and leave behind for more realism.
This is why i was saying people don't have a clue how deceptive can be Americans and its
allies in wars. Is almost like a circus. So this is why either Kurds or Turkey had little problems to advance in Syria. Because the battles were 90% to 95% of them fake. they sacrifice the most useless terrorist for some fighting and to make it look the battles were real. Even Russia told recently,NATO allowed ISIS to escape an encirclement in RAQQA without being harmed while escaping and they shows no interest to fight Kurds and abandon their positions without a real fight, but an unbreakable commitment to fight to death to the Syrian army.
War of NATO against ISIS = 100% fake.
ISIS at times kills kurds however and terrorist target other terrorist. but they all have leaders
that controls US coalition ,that will push them back so they remember that is damascus, Russia and IRAN and hezbolah their only authorized enemies.
KiloGolf wrote:SeigSoloyvov wrote:calm wrote:Yeah, but Syria has won. Damascus is safe, and so is Assad. They have survived. Maybe some partitions will happen but battle of survival is finished, and looks like Syrians have won that one.
And no, Deer will not fall, that is impossible, i refuse to believe in that.
Removing Assad was just a bonus objective, capturing the eastern part of the country was the main goal so yes Assad can lose, he hasn't yet but it's looking more like he will.
It hasn't fallen yet but they have lost points, nothing major yet still ISIS is going balls to the walls.
Some LGBs and iron bombs can trash whatever paid mercenary force SDF has put together. If Russia decides to wipe them out there's very little anyone can do. I believe that is an option for Russia, SDF can be hit if they cross into areas they have no business being. But that is not likely to happen, as Russia can pull major diplomatic strings on the Kurds.
lycantrop wrote:"You have clearly never fought in a war, they don't need to defeat the SAA they just need to seize certain areas and keep them away. The goal is nott to defeat the SAA but seize the land that is all. "
Again, how they will keep them away if thousands from SAA will go closer to that area?
Will they illegally KILL syrian soldiers on SYRIAN SOIL?
And you think this will have no concequences?
AGAIN, you cant invade illagally, take away illegally and keep away legitime regime forces?
Yes, you can dare to bomb and kill them, but hell, you cant expect no counter reactions!
If they kill Syrians on syrian soil they can legally act in selfe defence, and oh boy, they will!
SeigSoloyvov wrote:The kurds have little to fear from Russia, Why? my country is protecting them if The kurds was on their own sure then you would have a point but they are a proxy army of my country (This is common knowledge)
So Russia will not attack them, unless shit really hits the fan.
lycantrop wrote:https://twitter.com/NeilPHauer/status/872453033627717633
Russian aircraft striking IS positions in Deir Ezzor, at al-Tayem and Thardah. RU efforts increasingly focusd on DEZ
So DEZ on big priority list for russians.....DEZ will get back into Syria hand, when? we dont know, but it will!
KiloGolf wrote:SeigSoloyvov wrote:The kurds have little to fear from Russia, Why? my country is protecting them if The kurds was on their own sure then you would have a point but they are a proxy army of my country (This is common knowledge)
So Russia will not attack them, unless shit really hits the fan.
No country will care to start a war with Russia over some Kurds. There's no such thing as protection when it comes to Russia doing its thing in Syria. Russia has bombed protected "moderates" near Al Tanf in the past without problems. They can do it again if they please, they just don't cause SDF is being useful in pushing IS around.
SeigSoloyvov wrote:KiloGolf wrote:SeigSoloyvov wrote:The kurds have little to fear from Russia, Why? my country is protecting them if The kurds was on their own sure then you would have a point but they are a proxy army of my country (This is common knowledge)
So Russia will not attack them, unless shit really hits the fan.
No country will care to start a war with Russia over some Kurds. There's no such thing as protection when it comes to Russia doing its thing in Syria. Russia has bombed protected "moderates" near Al Tanf in the past without problems. They can do it again if they please, they just don't cause SDF is being useful in pushing IS around.
Russia support for Assad is not unlimited. Putin expects things from Assad.
Granted I don't know what will happen once Russia and the US have to deal with each other's proxies it will depend on who has what areas of the country under their control.
On a general basis tho, I highly doubt Russia will risk war with the US over Syria, Trump has proved to be fairly foolish so I can see him taking that risk.
End of the day I just don't see what you see, my opinion is based on what I see from the kurds, The Russians I have seen with kurds and the events on the ground.
When that changes well we will see where it goes.
KiloGolf wrote:......................
Some LGBs and iron bombs can trash whatever paid mercenary force SDF has put together. If Russia decides to wipe them out there's very little anyone can do. I believe that is an option for Russia, SDF can be hit if they cross into areas they have no business being. But that is not likely to happen, as Russia can pull major diplomatic strings on the Kurds.
lycantrop wrote:https://twitter.com/NeilPHauer/status/872453033627717633
Russian aircraft striking IS positions in Deir Ezzor, at al-Tayem and Thardah. RU efforts increasingly focusd on DEZ
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SeigSoloyvov wrote:
Assad retaking every inch of Syria is a pipe dream at this point..he is not getting all of syria back period and that is not up to debate.
Unless Russia decides to commit it's army which Putin would have to be insane to do, Syria will never be a whole country again.
I am not debating morally aspects or legal verse illegal.
Vann7 wrote:SeigSoloyvov wrote:
Assad retaking every inch of Syria is a pipe dream at this point..he is not getting all of syria back period and that is not up to debate.
Unless Russia decides to commit it's army which Putin would have to be insane to do, Syria will never be a whole country again.
I am not debating morally aspects or legal verse illegal.
Never say never.
Russia can influence kurds , it can bribe/blackmail turkey so they abandon Syria.
Politics can win wars without firing a shot. a revolution in Turkey could reverse all Turkey
gains in Syria.. etc etc etc. And major political pressure on Jordan too ,can force them to abandon its hostilities to Syria . If the Syrian war last very long , public Unrest will force
US congress to abandon the Syrian war and its support of terrorism. So anything can happen.
Syria have real possible chances to recover 100% of its territory if allows Russia
to play its strategy and politics . if erdogan is removed in a coup by the opposition secular parties ,it will reverse everything gained by Turkey. So there are real possibilities to restore
Syria but it will be consequence not of military actions but instead of politics. The battles with army are important for the continuation of Syria ,for its survival ,so is not over run. but politics and diplomacy can really have a big chance to end the war and reverse all the gains of NATO in Syria. Just look now , who will have though ever , that Qatar will engage in dialogue with Russia to become closer to them and not with Saudi Arabia. In Syrian perspective , it was said that IRAN made a brilliant political move with Qatar ,to join their energy business. This was what caused a major Split between Saudi Arabia and Qatar and most middle east. So now IRAN is pushing Qatar to drop its support for the FSA and Turkey backed Rebels. recall its fighters from Syria. Russia sold to Qatar about 15% of its oil shares with Rossneft . So did you see the pattern? Russia and IRAN are trying to split Qatar from the terrorist Coalition in Syria and they are only halfway in negotiations already. Muslim Brotherhood dropping support to ISIS and NATO could be a Big changer in Syria. it will mean the biggest terrorist group leaving Syria or choosing to fight NATO backed rebels. Such a move can't be underestimated. And it give more reasons for Turkey ,Qatar ,IRAN and Russia and Syria to form an alliance for the sake of business.
So don't underestimate politics. It can win wars without without a military confrontation.
So Syria do have real possibilities to recover 100% of its territory .all that is needs is a lot of
patience ,follow Russia strategy and try it best to strenghten its military everyday and hold territory. while advancing in where it can.
lycantrop wrote:
"So don't underestimate politics. It can win wars without without a military confrontation."
sorry to say, but I dont think so, USA is running by absolut pschopats, im not optimistic here...
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