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    Syrian War: News #13

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:04 am

    JohninMK wrote:Looks like they got there! Do they go straight ahead into the desert or turn right?

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    HELL TO THE YES!!! thumbsup russia
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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:07 am

    The Russians will track everything from west of the Euphrates....

    Shouldn't they been doing that already? As well, according to the video I posted earlier on the other thread, the S-400's are only working at 60km instead of full 400km due to agreements. Did they decide to cancel agreement after US shot down the Su-22?
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    Post  Vann7 Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:08 am

    JohninMK wrote:Looks like they got there! Do they go straight ahead into the desert or turn right?

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    Looks like there is a beautiful large chain of mountains to the right of the black circle. Very Happy

    If this is correct ,then it means ,no tank or car or heavy equipment will be able to travel through it ,and then ISIS will need to go to a very arid desert all the way to the east ,very slow ,wasting a lot of gasoline without food ,without a place to camp and becoming vulnerable to Russia and Syria airforces bombing. So it looks like a major reverse for ISIS forces seeking to escape Raqqa.  in another note , the new cease of fire with Qatar backed terrorist looks quite interesting. Because it could be as others have told , qatar realized it have many things to win
    and very few to lose if becomes more cooperative with Russia and IRAN. and with Turkey backing Qatar it will made it impossible for US to start a war against them.  

    Russia and IRAN are influencing middle east countries with Energy business for them to reverse their policies against Syria. and this cannot be underestimated the potentials that any of this can create for ending the war in Syria and new energy alliances that will make completely irrelevant the pipelines wars. If all this materialize , only the Israel and US wild card will
    remain . Because Saudi Backed jihadist are on their last legs.



    Shouldn't they been doing that already? As well, according to the video I posted earlier on the other thread, the S-400's are only working at 60km instead of full 400km due to agreements. Did they decide to cancel agreement after US shot down the Su-22?


    Thats exactly what ending the cooperation for safety means. Cool

    Now all american planes will be painted ,locked by RUssia and Syrian Radars and S-400s and Syrian army S-200s and others ,will be able to be used for self defense. So there is a 50/50 possibility in my opinion ,that a next attack will be retaliated and it will only increase.
    and a 70% probability next . A major ultimatum i think will be told by Syria or Russia before
    they shot down an american plane .But it all depends on the level of the aggression.  My prediction is US airforce will do more stand off attacks from distance and will use its Rocket
    artillery too. In my opinion they testing Russia and Syria  to see if they break . or not.

    What is important to notice is Russia softer language with TRump as president.
    This is because they know they can negotiate with Trump but not with anyone who could
    come after TRump if he impeached. SO this is what Russia will like to try to avoid.
    to help congress with something ,to justify the impechment of trump.
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:51 am

    Apparently only one got through, says Israel

    Elizabeth Tsurkov‏@Elizrael 1h1 hour ago

    Elizabeth Tsurkov Retweeted Alon Ben-David

    Israeli intel estimate: Out of 6 missiles fired by Iran at Deir Ezzor, 1 hit the target, 1 near the target, 4 failed & landed on the way.


    EDIT

    Then we have

    Joseph Dempsey‏ @JosephHDempsey 3h3 hours ago
    Replying to @JosephHDempsey @iribnews_ir

    Locations of two #Iran ballistic missile strikes on #Syria based upon geolocation of released footage (see thread)

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:54 am

    Gunship heaven, if they can be spared that is.

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    Replying to @warsmonitoring @NatDefFor @watanisy

    Since 10May start of E.Aleppo offensive, SAA captured 3000km2 and entered Raqqa province/1000km2. Today new push to cut IS in Aleppo started


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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:00 am

    I hope the US$ were worth it.

    Think this was an SUV bomber who last week did an amazing bit of driving round the block, knew exactly where he was going, and detonated outside what looks to be a command point.

    Within Syria‏ @WithinSyriaBlog 5m5 minutes ago

    promo of upcoming ISIS release from #Raqqah suggests that SDF loses are way bigger than what we thought


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    Post  auslander Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:46 am

    Mother said this morning that as of today no more cooperation with US in the 'avoid incidents diconfliction' gig they've got going. You know, the one where Mother called US about the 2 hour bombing of SAA in May and got in essence put on 'hold'.

    Amongst other places: http://tass.com/defense/952119

    Lavrov is pissed to say the least as is Mother.
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:53 am

    The options

    Weekend Warrior‏ @evil_SDOC 22m22 minutes ago
    Replying to @evil_SDOC

    Importance of #Resafa for future/possible COA of #SAA & proxies in North-Eastern Syria: weighing in on #Raqqa, reaching #ERV, going for #DeZ


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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:59 am

    auslander wrote:Mother said this morning that as of today no more cooperation with US in the 'avoid incidents diconfliction' gig they've got going. You know, the one where Mother called US about the 2 hour bombing of SAA in May and got in essence put on 'hold'.

    Amongst other places:  http://tass.com/defense/952119

    Lavrov is pissed to say the least as is Mother.
    Love it!

    Father always was a spendthrift lout and bully who enjoyed beating everyone up, whilst addicted to power and an election cycle, who's word no-one trusted any more.
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    Post  auslander Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:39 pm

    Basically Mother has said this morning that anything flying in Syrian air space that is not hers or Syrian will be regarded as a target. This could get ugly real quick. Don't know what Mother intends to do but you can be assured that Father the Lout will try something to see what happens.
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    Post  auslander Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:05 pm

    https://www.rt.com/news/393028-syria-russia-us-plane/

    Other sources are saying the same story, roughly all cooperation with US in Syria is dead and buried.
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    Post  eehnie Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:13 pm

    http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/another-israeli-land-grab-syria/ri20143

    Another Israeli Land Grab in Syria
    Israel has used the war in Syria to solidify its claim to the Golan Heights

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    For the last five years, Israel has been providing money, weapons, logistical support and even direct military assistance to "moderate rebels" with the goal of creating an Israeli-controlled "buffer zone" to ensure that the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights stay forever-occupied.

    In other words: Israel is occupying more Syrian land to protect the Syrian land that it's already occupying.

    According to an in-depth report by Nour Samaha,

    Israel’s “safe zone” now unofficially runs roughly 6 miles (10km) deep and 12 miles (20km) long beyond the demarcation line of the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights. The effort is intended to prevent the Syrian government and its allies, specifically Lebanese Hezbollah and the Iranian Revolutionary Guards, from maintaining a foothold along the Israeli fence. Israel used a similar tactic to establish a zone of control in the south of Lebanon during the Lebanese civil war.

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    For Israel, establishing a buffer zone in southern Syria not only creates distance between its border and pro-government forces – particularly those backed by Iran – it also cements Tel Aviv’s control over the occupied Golan Heights, an area of Syrian land that the Israeli army captured in 1967.
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    Israel has never hidden what it hopes to gain from the chaos in Syria.

    Israel's deputy minister for diplomacy Michael Oren said in April that "there is no Syria to negotiate with", meaning that Israel's illegal occupation of the Golan should be recognized by the international community.



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    The war in Syria is far from over, but Israel has already received what it wanted.



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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:37 pm

    Good link eehnie. The sooner the Israelis get pushed back to their border the better as far as I am concerned. They and perhaps a couple of hangers on, like the US/UK, are the only ones that believe they have any right to be where they are now.

    Whether it will happen I am not so sure, it depends on Syria, God willing, getting back to strength.
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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:39 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Apparently only one got through, says Israel
    .............

    And on cue the usual missile bullshittery from assorted experts and agencies. No

    Whether it is Russia, USA or now Iran that launches something it's always less than 50% of it that reaches the target. And we are supposed to buy that spiel?

    I will just assume that success rate in all cases was 90% + as it most often is...



    JohninMK wrote:I hope the US$ were worth it.
    Think this was an SUV bomber who last week did an amazing bit of driving round the block, knew exactly where he was going, and detonated outside what looks to be a command point.
    Within Syria‏ @WithinSyriaBlog 5m5 minutes ago

    promo of upcoming ISIS release from #Raqqah suggests that SDF loses are way bigger than what we thought

    ...............

    Definitely.

    No wonder Kurds were desperate to stop SAA from taking that intersection. Now they will actually have to fight ISIS head on in order to take Raqqa. No more easy solutions and cutting corners.
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:54 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:

    No wonder Kurds were desperate to stop SAA from taking that intersection. Now they will actually have to fight ISIS head on in order to take Raqqa. No more easy solutions and cutting corners.
    Not sure that is correct, it could have been a way in or out from the west but I would have thought that most escaping would go down the river road towards Maaden and then go south, or if not, straight on.

    Mind you they seem desperate to hang onto the road

    j-c vergès‏ @melisaraimmo 3h3 hours ago
    Replying to @melisaraimmo @SDF_Press_1 and

    #WrathOfEuphrates #SDF liberated Shuehan village, 4km north Resafa city,South #Raqqa city,from #ISIS ,after SAA took Resafa earlier .SOHR
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    Post  Benya Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:12 pm

    Interesting analysis about the downing of the Syrian Su-22, and the current situation in Syria


    THE TABQA SU-22 SHOOT-DOWN AND AFTERMATH

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    Written by J.Hawk exclusively for SouthFront

    “The Race to the Elbe”

    The current situation resembles the closing months of World War 2 in Europe, when Soviet and Western Allied armies were racing into the collapsing Third Reich. While they were still fighting against a common enemy, it was already clear they were staking out territory in anticipation of a post-war world order which would be divided, in keeping with the Tehran and Yalta conference understandings, into great power spheres of influence. But in 1945 the situation did not escalate into an armed clash between the erstwhile allies because there already existed a political framework for their ultimate meeting, namely the Elbe River. However, it should be noted, this framework did not preclude a number of clashes in between US and Soviet aircraft, and was barely sufficient to contain fanatically anti-Soviet US officers like General George S. Patton from seeking to press forward in violation of the political agreements. It also helped that President Franklin Delano Roosevelt was not interested in a US-Soviet confrontation and his authority and reputation were sufficient to rein in the anti-Soviet faction of the US and British military and intelligence services.

    Today we are once again seeing to coalitions, one Russia-led and one US-led, racing to fill the void leaving by the rapidly vanishing ISIS whose fighters are either choosing to go to the ground or are being evacuated to safe havens to be used in another theater of war. But there is no political framework on how the void is to be filled, and there is no FDR in the White House to rein in the anti-Russian faction in the US military and intelligence. The last but not least difference between Germany and ISIS is that US forces are operating in and over Syria wholly illegally from the point of view of international and even domestic US law, and the fact the US is waging an illegal “shadow” war makes it that much more difficult to work out common rules to avoid incidents.

    Who gave the order?

    Unlike the Shayrat strike, which was clearly approved at the very top of the US chain of command, the earlier incidents at al-Tanf and the current one at Tabqa were most likely motivated by the unilaterally adopted US rules of engagement which posit any and all force may be used to prevent harm from coming to US servicemembers who are embedded with a variety of irregular formations, such as the so-called “Free Syrian Army” or the Kurdish “Self-Defense Forces.” The rapidity with which the situation over Tabqa escalated means that there was no way a decision to shoot-down the Su-22 could have been made had higher authorities at the Pentagon or the White House been consulted. In all likelihood, the highest US officer to be involved in the decision was the duty officer at the CENTCOM headquarters in Qatar, and the incident was most likely the product of a combination of the rapid SDF and SAA advances that put the Su-22 over an area which was believed to be still held by ISIS. The Su-22 pilot or the command which planned the mission, for its part, likely had no inkling US military personnel would be present in the area to which it was dispatched.

    Shadow Boxing

    This is not to say the US is not pursuing an agenda of limiting Russian influence in Syria, or the level of control of the legitimate Syrian government over its country’s territory, to the maximum extent possible. While “regime change” is no longer on the agenda in Washington, the goal of dismembering the Syrian state in order to establish a variety of US-controlled Sunni and Kurdish enclaves to serve as a barrier between Iran and Lebanon and as a corridor for pipelines toward Turkey and, ultimately, Europe, still remains. It is likewise plainly evident that Russia, Syria, Iraq, and Iran are doing everything in their power to prevent that agenda from being implemented, and the Tabqa incident is but the most recent manifestation of that clash of interests. What the two nuclear superpowers backing each of the coalitions have thus far shied away from doing is targeting each other’s personnel and assets directly. It is notable that US aircraft do not fly in the vicinity of Russian ground units in Syria, and likewise there were no Russian aircraft present over Tabqa, either. What unfortunately complicates the situation is the absence of not only a political agreement but also a unified chain of command that ensures both coalitions know exactly what the other is doing and  prevent incidents such as al-Tanf and Tabqa. Syrian, Iraq, and Iranian forces involved in the conflict are waging their own wars whose aims may not wholly coincide with those of Washington or Moscow, but which may nevertheless draw Washington and Moscow into a direct confrontation with each other, not unlike the 2008 conflict in Georgia or the current civil war in Ukraine.

    The Aftermath

    Since the US evidently does not want to be the first to shed blood in a US-Russia confrontation, the most obvious “symmetrical” response is to embed Russian troops with every SAA, Hezbollah, and Shia militia unit operating in the Raqqa Province, back them up with fighter air patrols, and to make the US military command aware of that fact. So far, US forces have shied away from clashing with Russian forces in Syria, therefore that particular “red line” will likely be advanced as far forward as possible to prevent further US attacks on Syrian, Iranian, or Shia forces operating in eastern Syria.

    Secondly, Russia would definitely benefit from having a powerful military ally akin to Turkey that can occasionally target an asset of a nuclear superpower and…largely get away with it. Iran’s launch of ballistic missiles at ISIS targets near Der es-Zor suggests it has decided to enter the fray in a far more overt fashion, likely secure in the knowledge that US is no more likely to attack Iran in retaliation for a ballistic missile strike that kills or wounds some of its troops in Syria than Russia was going to attack Turkey in retaliation for the Su-24 shoot-down. Moreover, the US does not even have the ability to use sanctions to force Iranian compliance, in the way that Russian sanctions have forced the Turks to moderate their own policy in Syria.

    Fortunately, Washington seems aware that Moscow will not be bullied into appeasement by such incidents or, especially, attacks on its own forces. Such attacks are far likely to provoke a symmetric Russian retaliation against US assets in the region, all of which are vulnerable to Russian cruise missile strikes, just as US aircraft would quickly suffer losses if confronted with Russian fighters and ground-based air defenses. Unfortunately it means that the only way to contain Washington’s adventurism in Syria is by deliberate Cold War-style “brinksmanship” by Moscow in concert with Tehran.

    Source: Arrow https://southfront.org/tabqa-su-22-shoot-aftermath/
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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:37 pm


    From Reddit:

    https://twitter.com/24Raqqa/status/876842385451491330

    About 50 fighters of #SDF killed today in ambush of #Daesh at Bitany neighborhood in #Raqqa.
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    Post  Vann7 Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:55 pm

    JohninMK wrote:

    promo of upcoming ISIS release from #Raqqah suggests that SDF loses are way bigger than what we thought[/i]

    indeed NATO will release propaganda videos of they fighting ISIS and naive people
    with believe on it. But the Russian SPokewomen Maria Zakharova told in live tv in
    a Russian talk show about the games Americans playing in Syria ,how they warn
    ISIS before any bombing so they don't harmed. and just a couple days ago ,
    Russia Military released videos of an ISIS convoy allowed to escape an encirclement
    without a fight in organized retreat and in peace. and Russia bombed to hell the convoy
    and suggested the US military was aiding ISIS to escape RAQQA To redeploy them
    in other zones to fight Syrian army.

    So you have NATO /Rebels propaganda about how heroic kurds are fighting ISIS..
    and then you have Russia general staff and diplomats telling you that US and ISIS are in the same side. So who you want to believe? The fast advance of Kurds does not happens
    by coincidence ,is a fake war against ISIS, and probably most kurds not aware of it.  this was reported a year ago by a French Journalist how NATO allows ISIS to relocate to another place
    to continue using them to beat and weaken the Syrian army. Does it makes sense why will NATO fight a force that fight to death all their enemies ? Russia ,Syria and IRAN?

    If someone can reupload the video of Maria Zakharova ,when she exposed US Pentagon
    warning ISIS by radio ,about the places they will attack so they can escape unharmed. Laughing

    I posted the news that Russia military told today ,that US coalitions are backing ISIS
    and you continue promoting fake news that contradict what the Russian government and general staff claim. Suspect
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:03 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    From Reddit:

    https://twitter.com/24Raqqa/status/876842385451491330

    About 50 fighters of #SDF killed today in ambush of #Daesh at Bitany neighborhood in #Raqqa.

    Certainly getting clearer that Raqqa could be well defended. At some point does the SDF say "F..it, I am off home"? Can we see them fighting for a hundred miles and doing the same in Deir?
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:24 pm

    Vann7 wrote:

    I posted the news that Russia military told today ,that US coalitions are backing ISIS
    and you continue promoting fake news that contradict what the Russian government and general staff claim.  Suspect
    I am under no illusions as to the parentage and possible command lines of the SDF and ISIS. It is even possible that one is CIA and the other Pentagon and they are fighting each other for different objectives related to the US Deep State.

    This even goes as far as, without tipping off the SDF and ISIS footsoldiers by disguising them as 'humanitarian, reduce our casualties moves', allowing particularly ISIS, but could be other, manpower to move in a country, move to another like Iraq to Syria, or even to a new location like Africa of Afgan, watch out for Iran as next.

    So the SDF around Tabqa and Raqqa could genuinely believe that they are going balls out against ISIS and against them ISIS is on its Jihad earning its virgins, neither aware of how they are being played. As per war through the ages.

    To say that I am putting up "fake news" just because it is not what the Russian MoD is saying misses the point. They are well aware of the reality of what is happening and have to make the points that they are able to just as the US does. Sometimes both attempt to mislead, that is part of their job. Ours is to try to see through the dust kicked up by them and others.

    I would suggest that most of what I put up here turns out in time as OK to reality, some falls through the cracks and I often make stupid comments. But that is what life here in a (b)leading edge war news thread is all about.
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    Post  franco Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:51 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:

    I posted the news that Russia military told today ,that US coalitions are backing ISIS
    and you continue promoting fake news that contradict what the Russian government and general staff claim.  Suspect
    I am under no illusions as to the parentage and possible command lines of the SDF and ISIS. It is even possible that one is CIA and the other Pentagon and they are fighting each other for different objectives related to the US Deep State.

    This even goes as far as, without tipping off the SDF and ISIS footsoldiers by disguising them as 'humanitarian, reduce our casualties moves', allowing particularly ISIS, but could be other, manpower to move in a country, move to another like Iraq to Syria, or even to a new location like Africa of Afgan, watch out for Iran as next.

    So the SDF around Tabqa and Raqqa could genuinely believe that they are going balls out against ISIS and against them ISIS is on its Jihad earning its virgins, neither aware of how they are being played. As per war through the ages.

    To say that I am putting up "fake news" just because it is not what the Russian MoD is saying misses the point. They are well aware of the reality of what is happening and have to make the points that they are able to just as the US does. Sometimes both attempt to mislead, that is part of their job. Ours is to try to see through the dust kicked up by them and others.

    I would suggest that most of what I put up here turns out in time as OK to reality, some falls through the cracks and I often make stupid comments. But that is what life here in a (b)leading edge war news thread is all about.

    Both sides tell their version of the truth and only a fool would take either of them at face value. My problem is that for the last decade or two, my side's (ethnically and nationally) truth has been further from reality then the Russian version. It pisses me off greatly!
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:53 pm

    franco wrote:
    Both sides tell their version of the truth and only a fool would take either of them at face value. My problem is that for the last decade or two, my side's (ethnically and nationally) truth has been further from reality then the Russian version. It pisses me off greatly!
    But it is invariably taken as the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
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    Post  franco Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:08 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    franco wrote:
    Both sides tell their version of the truth and only a fool would take either of them at face value. My problem is that for the last decade or two, my side's (ethnically and nationally) truth has been further from reality then the Russian version. It pisses me off greatly!
    But it is invariably taken as the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

    I think there is a growing realization of the problem even in the good old US of A but there is also a lot of apathy towards politics in general.
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    Post  arpakola Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:09 pm

    https://twitter.com/iribnews_ir/status/876724308734824448
    the moment that Zolfaghar  strikes...

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    The Iranian Revolutionary Guard (IRGC) has launched from Iranian territory a series of ballistic missile attacks against Islamic State positions in the Deir ez zor area in Syria ...
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    Iran has a few short-range (SRBM) and rocket missile models. If it is stated that these launches have been carried out from the Iranian provinces of Kurdistan and Kermanshah will have traveled between 600 and 700 km to the area of ​​Deir ez zor.

    If we take a look at the previous photograph we will see that the missile protagonist of the launch has control fins in the "head" of the missile which would place it inside the Fateh family but with greater reach, judging by the known thing.

    Iran claims Zolfaghar missile has 700 km range


    The last version presented of the missile Fateh 110 is the Zolfaghar that is speculated can have a range around 700 kms. If all this is not a coincidence, it is likely that we have witnessed the setting-up of the Iranian Zolfaghar missile in a move similar to that carried out by the Americans with their MOAB bomb a few weeks ago, that is, something spectacular but that has the Importance, although ballistic missiles have a more practical use than MOAB bombs, by the way.


    The missiles were launched from the Iranian provinces of Kurdistan and Kermanshah and there is talk of tours around 700 kms. According to the Iranians, the missiles hit targets with precision:


    The Zolfaghar (alternately spelled Zulfiqar) short-range ballistic missile (SRBM) is a variant of the Fateh-110 SRBM family. Developed as a part of a larger campaign to “improve the range and accuracy of current missile systems,”[i] the solid-fueled Zolfaghar is reported to have a range of 700km and possess a cluster munition warhead.[ii] Some Iranian press reports have claimed the Zolfaghar is accurate within 10 meters and equipped with multiple independent reentry vehicles (MIRV), but this information has not been verified.[iii]

    Strategic Implications

    Despite that fact that the Zolfaghar SRBM first appeared during a parade in September 2016 aboard a vehicle decorated with a banner displaying an anti-Israeli message,[iv] the Israel sits well outside of the missile’s 700 kilometer range.[v] Rather, the Zolfaghar poses a threat to its more immediate neighbors.[vi] In June 2017, Iran fired six missiles from its western provinces into eastern Syria, targeting Islamic State fighters operating in the country. Tehran claimed the missile strike was in retaliation to Islamic State-claimed terrorist attacks that occurred in Iran earlier in the month. The Zolfaghar’s greater strategic significance, then, is its demonstration of a growing Iranian ballistic missile capability. Whether the Zolfaghar enters mass production remains to be seen.[vii]


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