Russian Navy: Status & News #2

....nice video... change the US missile for the Granit and replace very high speed with being slow and stealthy and that was the Soviet anti ship capability in the mid 1980s... and as shown by that video the gatling guns started firing a few seconds before impact... with an un upgraded Slava class vessel it should have at least fired naval TOR and engaged the incoming missiles effectively... any that survive would likely have been devastated by the multiple 30mm gatlings mounted on that ship.

If it had been attacking the K the kashtans would have brought those missiles down at about 8-12km range.

The main difference would be that the old Soviet missiles fly low and fast all the way to the target so they are harder to detect... the best stealth puts the planet between you and your target.

Also only one Soviet missile would climb and scan for targets and then drop down to return to a sea skimming mode and process the data it collected and allocate targets to the other missiles attacking the group of ships. the distribution of missiles is determined by the lead missile based on the number of missiles in the group and the number of targets detected and their size.

BTW the ability of this US missile to fly around threat areas is interesting... especially assuming that new destroyers in the Russian Navy will have 400km range SAMs, so that is a circle 800km across it will need to fly around... quite a detour for a subsonic missile...

Would like to add that the Soviets and Russians take anti ship missiles very seriously and I really don't think 3-4 subsonic missiles would be enough to sink any Soviet ship above the size of a frigate... in the 1980s or now.

AlfaT8 wrote:Bit of topic, but what are the chances of this sh#t actually working?
(Only asking cuzz i don't know much about the defense suite capabilities of Russian ships)

What shit working? Yes it could work, but it would stand a better chance of working if those American missiles had supersonic terminal stages.

AFAIK Soviet anti-ship missiles had those sort of algorithms since the 80s.

Exercise: spot the similarities between this video, and the one you posted:

German diesel engines to be replaced by Chinese engines built by HND (Henan Diesel Engine Industry Co., Ltd)

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1240331.html

Cyberspec wrote:German diesel engines to be replaced by Chinese engines built by HND (Henan Diesel Engine Industry Co., Ltd)

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1240331.html

That was quick

Hopefully this would elicit the start of a fruitful relationship; where the Russian MoD can look to Chinese firms as suppliers, rather than just the other way around as its been until now.

Reason why that's a good thing is that it would keep Russian firms on their toes; provided that the Chinese can produce equipment to the required quality standard and specifications of course.

Time to copy then after the initial batch, and produce them ourselves after .

Doesn't the linked article say that the Chinese diesels are replacing those on the Project 21980s - while the Pr. 20385s are being replaced with a diesel engine from Kolomensky Zavod?

Yes, it is for a few small boats, nothing major really.

TBD20V12, that is going to power Project 21980 patrol boats, is actually a model from a license produced engine series of a joint venture between Germany's Deutz and China's HND (Deutz design and assembled by HND).

I did a little search and HND seem to mainly produce German designed diesels.

TR1 wrote:Time to copy then after the initial batch, and produce them ourselves after .

+1 for this

Don't forget cancelling the order after the initial shipment too

Interview with Rubin Chief

Future Submarine Project

http://www.redstar.ru/index.php/component/k2/item/22614-istoricheskij-moment

Interview with Rubin Chief

CDB ME "Rubin": class submarine "Northwind" will serve until 2050

http://ria.ru/interview/20150331/1055612578.html

I wrote something about the Borei-class and its service until 2050.

http://thesentinel.ca/eight-borei-class-ssbn-to-serve-until-2050/

I am open to comments and critics!

Eight submarines will join—and become the backbone of—the Russian Strategic Naval Forces.

What's with the dashes?

TheSentinel wrote:I wrote something about the Borei-class and its service until 2050.

http://thesentinel.ca/eight-borei-class-ssbn-to-serve-until-2050/

I am open to comments and critics!

the pic is of yasen class submarine.

All Boreiis will have 16 tubes only.

TR1 wrote:All Boreiis will have 16 tubes only.

Which makes sense, considering START treaty obligations. Though if the START treaties abruptly ends, then you'll likely see Borei's with 20 tubes, until that day comes going beyond 16 tubes isn't that practical.

collegeboy16 wrote:

TheSentinel wrote:I wrote something about the Borei-class and its service until 2050.

http://thesentinel.ca/eight-borei-class-ssbn-to-serve-until-2050/

I am open to comments and critics!

the pic is of yasen class submarine.

Crap you're right :/ ... Thanks!

TheSentinel welcome to the forum.

The blog is nice , you can add more features on Borei by referring to the link which has good details , you can pick and write selective stuff

http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-338.html

Should add more content to it

Austin wrote:TheSentinel welcome to the forum.

The blog is nice , you can add more features on Borei by referring to the link which has good details , you can pick and write selective stuff

http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-338.html

Should add more content to it

THANKS! I'll use google translate tho :\ ... I REALLY need to work on my Russian.

TheSentinel wrote:

Austin wrote:TheSentinel welcome to the forum.

The blog is nice , you can add more features on Borei by referring to the link which has good details , you can pick and write selective stuff

http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-338.html

Should add more content to it

THANKS! I'll use google translate tho :\ ... I REALLY need to work on my Russian.

Just check the top of the page it auto translates to English

Yup saw it! Thanks, I really appreciate it!

TR1 wrote:60-70 subs??!?!

Lmao. Do you know how much that costs? America has barely that many boats and they have a giant defense budget.

I don't even know where you pulled 60-70 subs in 5 years. That's factually impossible.

BTW, I have a spreadsheet of the operational classes of major submarine and surface combatants in the Runavy, and their last known operational status. I need to update the subs part, I will post it then.

Where do you get the spreadsheet from? as i wouldnt mind finding a copy.

I just update it based on the best info I can find.

I will post the data if you are interested- let me update it first though.

NickM wrote:
None of the Russian destroyers that are in operation or will be built can match the Zumwalt class destroyer . There is simply no comparison .

Each VLS cell can be quad packed with RIM-162 Evolved Sea Sparrow Missiles (ESSM). This gives a maximum theoretical ESSM load out of 320 missiles. The ESSM is considered a point defense weapon not generally used for fleet area defense. Though the ESSM has a range (27 NM) exceeding that of the earlier Naval Tartar anti-aircraft missile (17.5 NM RIM-24C).

Russia or China does not have the equivalent of The Total Ship Computing Environment Infrastructure of the Zumwalt class destroyer.

The tumblehome hull reduces radar return and the composite material deckhouse also has a low radar returnnot to mention the 2 155mm Naval Guns .

This is where the modified Admiral Nakhimov, Pytor Velikiy and a couple of Gorshkov frigates come into play. Admiral Nakhimov should have the AA capability to defeat a Zumwalt DDG IMHO as it has fire power and the best missile defence systems.