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Russian Navy: Status & News #2
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max steel wrote:Outdated. Where is Yasen ssbn ? Can ssn fire slbms ? what are they up for ?
Yeah seems Yasen is missing for some reason, not sure why. SSN cant fire SLBMs generally speaking but they could fire in theory nuclear tipped cruise missiles.
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Militarov wrote:max steel wrote:Outdated. Where is Yasen ssbn ? Can ssn fire slbms ? what are they up for ?
Yeah seems Yasen is missing for some reason, not sure why. SSN cant fire SLBMs generally speaking but they could fire in theory nuclear tipped cruise missiles.
Pr 949 Antei SSGNs are missing as well.... and as usual, no-one can agree on how many Shchuka and Barracuda are actually in service.
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Big_Gazza wrote:Militarov wrote:max steel wrote:Outdated. Where is Yasen ssbn ? Can ssn fire slbms ? what are they up for ?
Yeah seems Yasen is missing for some reason, not sure why. SSN cant fire SLBMs generally speaking but they could fire in theory nuclear tipped cruise missiles.
Pr 949 Antei SSGNs are missing as well.... and as usual, no-one can agree on how many Shchuka and Barracuda are actually in service.
I got answer from the person maintaining this graphics, new updated version is to come soon after some of these new sales are done where among others missing Russian subs will be added. Smolenski and Voronezh are in service, Orel has been bbqued but i suppose it will get back into service.
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Big_Gazza wrote:Pr 949 Antei SSGNs are missing as well.... and as usual, no-one can agree on how many Shchuka and Barracuda are actually in service.
I think it's pretty clear at this point. Only Pantera, Tigr and Gepard are active in the Northern Fleet among 971's.
For 945/945A's, Nizhny Novgorod is definitely active. Kostroma is listed as operational, but hasn't been active in a while, so I presume it is in low readiness state awaiting when dock space clears up on Zvezdochka.
Karp, Pskov and the rest of the Northern Fleet 971's are definitely in Zvezdochka.
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Paranoid Brits in search for Russian subs
UK calls on France & Canada to track down alleged Russian sub
23 Nov, 2015
https://www.rt.com/uk/323095-submarine-scotland-russia-search/
Or maybe just another Sweden case.
UK calls on France & Canada to track down alleged Russian sub
23 Nov, 2015
https://www.rt.com/uk/323095-submarine-scotland-russia-search/
It looks like the British sub departed is a SSBN with probably a 971 on its tail?The suspected presence of a Russian submarine was believed to be linked to the departure of a British nuclear submarine from the Faslane naval base at Gare Loch on the Firth of Clyde.
Or maybe just another Sweden case.
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Dima wrote:Paranoid Brits in search for Russian subs
UK calls on France & Canada to track down alleged Russian sub
23 Nov, 2015
https://www.rt.com/uk/323095-submarine-scotland-russia-search/
It looks like the British sub departed is a SSBN with probably a 971 on its tail?The suspected presence of a Russian submarine was believed to be linked to the departure of a British nuclear submarine from the Faslane naval base at Gare Loch on the Firth of Clyde.
Or maybe just another Sweden case.
Must be budget vote coming up or something...
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PapaDragon wrote:Must be budget vote coming up or something...
Not budget, but close. SDSR (Strategic Defense and Security Review) results released tomorrow.
They'll announce buying a bunch of P-8's. It was already announced somewhere, but the official release is tomorrow (or sometime next week).
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artjomh wrote:PapaDragon wrote:Must be budget vote coming up or something...
Not budget, but close. SDSR (Strategic Defense and Security Review) results released tomorrow.
They'll announce buying a bunch of P-8's. It was already announced somewhere, but the official release is tomorrow (or sometime next week).
https://www.russiadefence.net/t4699-raf-begs-french-find-russian-sub#136439
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Russia’s Sevmash shipyard to lay down 8th Borei and 6th Yasen-class submarines in 2016
SEVERODVINSK, November 30. /TASS/. The Sevmash shipyard in northwest Russia plans to lay down the 8th Borei-class nuclear-powered underwater missile crusier and the 6th Yasen-class multifunctional submarine in 2016, Shipyard CEO Mikhail Budnichenko said on Monday.
"There are plans for 2016 to lay down the Yasen-and Borei class submarines. As for the submarine names, they are assigned to the submarines by order of the Navy commander-in-chief. The shipyard has not received any such documents so far," he said, without specifying the intended date of keel layings.
The Yasen-class multipurpose nuclear submarines were designed by the Malakhit design bureau. The Russian Navy is expected to receive 7 such submarines in 2023. The first of them, the Severodvinsk, which was laid down in 1993, was transferred to the Russian Navy for operation in 2013.
The Borei-class submarines that will become the mainstay of Russia’s strategic naval nuclear forces were designed by the Rubin design bureau.
SEVERODVINSK, November 30. /TASS/. The Sevmash shipyard in northwest Russia plans to lay down the 8th Borei-class nuclear-powered underwater missile crusier and the 6th Yasen-class multifunctional submarine in 2016, Shipyard CEO Mikhail Budnichenko said on Monday.
"There are plans for 2016 to lay down the Yasen-and Borei class submarines. As for the submarine names, they are assigned to the submarines by order of the Navy commander-in-chief. The shipyard has not received any such documents so far," he said, without specifying the intended date of keel layings.
The Yasen-class multipurpose nuclear submarines were designed by the Malakhit design bureau. The Russian Navy is expected to receive 7 such submarines in 2023. The first of them, the Severodvinsk, which was laid down in 1993, was transferred to the Russian Navy for operation in 2013.
The Borei-class submarines that will become the mainstay of Russia’s strategic naval nuclear forces were designed by the Rubin design bureau.
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George1 wrote:Russia’s Sevmash shipyard to lay down 8th Borei and 6th Yasen-class submarines in 2016
SEVERODVINSK, November 30. /TASS/. The Sevmash shipyard in northwest Russia plans to lay down the 8th Borei-class nuclear-powered underwater missile crusier and the 6th Yasen-class multifunctional submarine in 2016, Shipyard CEO Mikhail Budnichenko said on Monday.
Not bad at all, with 9 Akulas and 2 Sierras and 6 (?) and 7 Yasens 24 attack subs. I wonder is new subs with mega torpedoes will eventually appear
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Check the graphic in the link
Analysis - Russian Status-6 aka KANYON nuclear deterrence and Pr 09851 submarine
Russian Mystery Submarine Likely Deployment Vehicle for New Nuclear Torpedo
Analysis - Russian Status-6 aka KANYON nuclear deterrence and Pr 09851 submarine
Russian Mystery Submarine Likely Deployment Vehicle for New Nuclear Torpedo
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Latest Russian Navy Operational Surge Could be Unsustainable
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Austin wrote:Latest Russian Navy Operational Surge Could be Unsustainable
Austin please, analysts already said Russian economy is in shatters country is depopulating and armata is c###p based on unique western designs
The increased tempo is a turnaround from just a few years ago of operations, Eric Wertheim, naval analyst and author of U.S. Naval Institute’s Combat Fleets of the World, told USNI News on Tuesday.
“If true, these statistics represent a remarkable turnaround for the Russian fleet in just a few years,” he said.
However how long the Russian Navy can keep up the pace is very much an open question.
“Their country has had to make tremendous sacrifices to enable this type of surge in military operations and capabilities,” Wertheim said.
“The more a fleet is used, the more experience it gains, but also the more it costs. Enhanced ops tempo requires enhanced maintenance down the line, and these efforts will require continued infusions of money.”
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That article on Status-6 was pathetic.
A weapon with nuclear propulsion might not have a range of 10,000km?
Doubt it would be used at near max range is amusing... do they think this is an attack sub weapon?
There is every reason to fire these weapons from near max range... these are clearly not first strike weapons so of course western experts really wont understand it.
This is a payback weapon so it can't be secret... MAD stops wars because both sides know they can't win so they don't try.
The idea is to prevent war, not a sneaky way to "win" because in such situations no body wins.
With that in mind a torpedo you can send via the south pole across 2 or three oceans to hit the target area 4 days after launch makes all the sense in the world... as a deterrent.
If it does have a nuclear power plant then it would make sense that the reactor generates electricity and heat... the electricity runs the electronics and electric motor and the heat boils sea water and turns the gas turbine with super heated steam... the Kirov class vessels have a combined nuclear and gas turbine propulsion system too it is not exactly unique.
Leaving a trail of nuclear contaminated water is not really an issue considering it will only be fired when WWIII has already started... like I said above this isn't a first strike weapon.
And the Russian navy might not be able to sustain its current level of operations?
What evidence do they have to suggest the Russian navy is operationally stretched?
The fact that their operational tempo has increased dramatically over the last few years just reflects how quiet they have been for the last few decades.
Perhaps it is not sustainable because the entire population of Russia will die from AIDS in the next 2 years?
A weapon with nuclear propulsion might not have a range of 10,000km?
Doubt it would be used at near max range is amusing... do they think this is an attack sub weapon?
There is every reason to fire these weapons from near max range... these are clearly not first strike weapons so of course western experts really wont understand it.
This is a payback weapon so it can't be secret... MAD stops wars because both sides know they can't win so they don't try.
The idea is to prevent war, not a sneaky way to "win" because in such situations no body wins.
With that in mind a torpedo you can send via the south pole across 2 or three oceans to hit the target area 4 days after launch makes all the sense in the world... as a deterrent.
If it does have a nuclear power plant then it would make sense that the reactor generates electricity and heat... the electricity runs the electronics and electric motor and the heat boils sea water and turns the gas turbine with super heated steam... the Kirov class vessels have a combined nuclear and gas turbine propulsion system too it is not exactly unique.
Leaving a trail of nuclear contaminated water is not really an issue considering it will only be fired when WWIII has already started... like I said above this isn't a first strike weapon.
And the Russian navy might not be able to sustain its current level of operations?
What evidence do they have to suggest the Russian navy is operationally stretched?
The fact that their operational tempo has increased dramatically over the last few years just reflects how quiet they have been for the last few decades.
Perhaps it is not sustainable because the entire population of Russia will die from AIDS in the next 2 years?
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GarryB wrote:That article on Status-6 was pathetic.
but info-graphics cool
GarryB wrote:
A weapon with nuclear propulsion might not have a range of 10,000km?
Doubt it would be used at near max range is amusing... do they think this is an attack sub weapon?
There is every reason to fire these weapons from near max range... these are clearly not first strike weapons so of course western experts really wont understand it.
oh they do, just for public why to scare them? soon we will se 2-3 Hollywood blockbusters where Johny Doe, Brad Wurst together with an American Ninja stop Russian torpedoes with teamwork between peo0le of different ethnic backgrounds from US and dolphins
GarryB wrote:
This is a payback weapon so it can't be secret... MAD stops wars because both sides know they can't win so they don't try.
The idea is to prevent war, not a sneaky way to "win" because in such situations no body wins.
With that in mind a torpedo you can send via the south pole across 2 or three oceans to hit the target area 4 days after launch makes all the sense in the world... as a deterrent.
Leaving a trail of nuclear contaminated water is not really an issue considering it will only be fired when WWIII has already started... like I said above this isn't a first strike weapon.
Well but sustainable development now must be in every western analysis
I like that 100mt warhead cna have not better effect that single MIRV and why only NY is mentioned? LA, SF, Boston, Seattle, Vancouver, All Florida, New Orlean to mention few. For the rest is Yellowstone volcano GarryB wrote:
And the Russian navy might not be able to sustain its current level of operations?
What evidence do they have to suggest the Russian navy is operationally stretched?
The fact that their operational tempo has increased dramatically over the last few years just reflects how quiet they have been for the last few decades.
Perhaps it is not sustainable because the entire population of Russia will die from AIDS in the next 2 years?
so you understand Polish language US sponsored media then? :d
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GunshipDemocracy wrote:...............................
The increased tempo is a turnaround from just a few years ago of operations, Eric Wertheim, naval analyst and author of U.S. Naval Institute’s Combat Fleets of the World, told USNI News on Tuesday.
“If true, these statistics represent a remarkable turnaround for the Russian fleet in just a few years,” he said.
However how long the Russian Navy can keep up the pace is very much an open question.
“Their country has had to make tremendous sacrifices to enable this type of surge in military operations and capabilities,” Wertheim said.
“The more a fleet is used, the more experience it gains, but also the more it costs. Enhanced ops tempo requires enhanced maintenance down the line, and these efforts will require continued infusions of money.”
I am no expert not even by a long shot, but isn't that the case with every single Navy out there?
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In the video it also mentions 16 new auxiliary ships.
REPORT ON RESULTS ON THE RUSSIAN DEFENCE MINISTRY ACTIVITIES FOR 2015
Building-up of combat potential of the Russian Navy
Receiving of 2 multirole submarines and 8 surface warships allowed maintaining the rate of the Navy combat capacity building and raising the ratio of modern ships to 39%.
In the video it also mentions 16 new auxiliary ships.
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PapaDragon wrote:
I am no expert not even by a long shot, but isn't that the case with every single Navy out there?
Shhhh, you may not be an expert, but he is an "expert" and knows more than any of us. Lap up his words, do not question.
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-Engine overhaul (naturally)
-Replace all weapons, radars, systems, etc... with new equipment.
-Replace front turret with gun from Gorshkov class
-IMPORTANT: Cut away rear gun and use that space to install as many Kalibrs as you can fit.
-Improve crew accommodations (would not hurt...)
And you have decent vessel to use in low priority zones so you can free up better and newer ships to be used elsewhere.
I wonder if after refit 7000t class ship with say 48 Shtil 1 VLS and 16 clubs has a secondary meaning...firepower close to Atlant cruiser. My educated guess is 11356 delayed due to Us aggresion on Ukrainie by 2-3years and those destroyers in such time can be refurbished to make Bosporus wider