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    Post  Guest Mon Dec 14, 2015 9:15 am

    "The Russian-made 7th Project 03160 patrol boat has competed state trials and has been accepted for operation, the Pella Shipyard’s press office said on Friday. The Russian shipyard Open Joint Stock Company "Pella" is based in Leningrad. According to the press office, the new boat has already arrived at its permanent base and will join Russia’s Black Sea Fleet in the imminent future. The Project 03160 patrol boat is designed to carry out patrol missions in coastal waters, conduct search and rescue operations, intercept low-tonnage vessels and defend ports and bases from surface and aerial targets. The Project 03160 patrol boat is armed with the Uprava-Kord remote-controlled combat module, a large-caliber machine gun and two Pecheneg machine guns.

    The boat’s deck house and personnel room have Class 5 armor protection. The Project 03160 patrol boat has a displacement of 23 tons, a length of 16.9 meters, a maximum speed of 50 knots and endurance of 300 miles. Its crew totals two-three with 20-strong special personnel."


    Russian Navy: Status & News #2 - Page 28 Raptor_project_03160_high_speed_patrol_boat_Pella_Russia

    Source: http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3338
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:23 am

    Militarov wrote:"The Russian-made 7th Project 03160 patrol boat has competed state trials and has been accepted for operation, the Pella Shipyard’s press office said on Friday. The Russian shipyard Open Joint Stock Company "Pella" is based in Leningrad. According to the press office, the new boat has already arrived at its permanent base and will join Russia’s Black Sea Fleet in the imminent future. The Project 03160 patrol boat is designed to carry out patrol missions in coastal waters, conduct search and rescue operations, intercept low-tonnage vessels and defend ports and bases from surface and aerial targets. The Project 03160 patrol boat is armed with the Uprava-Kord remote-controlled combat module, a large-caliber machine gun and two Pecheneg machine guns.

    The boat’s deck house and personnel room have Class 5 armor protection. The Project 03160 patrol boat has a displacement of 23 tons, a length of 16.9 meters, a maximum speed of 50 knots and endurance of 300 miles. Its crew totals two-three with 20-strong special personnel."


    Russian Navy: Status & News #2 - Page 28 Raptor_project_03160_high_speed_patrol_boat_Pella_Russia

    Source: http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3338

    Would be nice also as auxiliary inspection/landing boat for LHD/ offshore patrol vessels.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Mon Dec 14, 2015 11:56 am



    MOSCOW, December 14 — RIA Novosti. Tests of Autonomous deep-diving vehicles "Rus" at the depth of 6 thousand meters was successfully completed in the Central Atlantic, according to the Department of press service and information Russia's defense Ministry.
    "The crew of the "Rus" consisting of the Chairman of the state Commission hydronaut senior researcher Yury Kurganova, senior gidronavtov test captains of the first rank Dmitry Boev Mikhail Kuzmichev and was made a dive to a depth of 6180 meters", — the press service quoted the head of the main Directorate deep sea research of the Ministry of defense Vice-Admiral Alexei Burilichev.

    The unit "Rus" was lowered into the ocean from aboard the Oceanographic research vessel "Yantar".
    Burilichev reported that the device "is designed for underwater engineering, rescue and research works at depths up to 6000 meters with the use of manipulating devices, and conduct photo and video shooting, underwater exploration in the oceans, underwater archaeology".


    РИА Новости http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20151214/1341643197.html#ixzz3uI7RcclP

    artifacts like US installations? Twisted Evil
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    Post  GarryB Tue Dec 15, 2015 1:55 am

    That was an inhouse joke in the cold war... DSRVs... Deep Submergence Rescue Vehicles...

    The reality is that below a few hundred metres there would be nothing to rescue for 90% of operational submarines.

    At 6,000m any modern normal sub whether it be an SSN or SSBN would be totally crushed beyond recognition... it would be like one of those small cubes they make from cars in a scrapyard car crusher... only bacteria would survive.

    All those western DSRVs were all about tapping cables on the ocean floor and planting or recovering listening devices...
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    Post  Guest Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:02 am

    Russian Navy: Status & News #2 - Page 28 CWSlCJWXAAAyD_i

    Office of Naval Intelligence issues first unclas report on Russian navy since 1991.
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    Post  Austin Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:29 am

    ^^ Thanks for heads up, full report

    ONI Report on Russian Navy , First since 1991
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    Report : http://www.oni.navy.mil/Intelligence_Community/russia_media/Russia_Pub_2015_Low.pdf

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:38 am

    GarryB wrote: At 6,000m any modern normal sub whether it be an SSN or SSBN would be totally crushed beyond recognition... it would be like one of those small cubes they make from cars in a scrapyard car crusher... only bacteria would survive.

    or Cephalopod, a robo-Kraken below in XVIIIc. version Smile

    Russian Navy: Status & News #2 - Page 28 Davy_Jones_Helm

    and here Cephalopod news from Rubin:

    Experts have also been noted[20] the financing of works of JSC "CDB MT "Rubin" and its subcontractors on a number of government contracts associated with the "Tocreate a robotic systems with Autonomous unmanned underwater vehicles of high autonomy", where the Status of a-6 appears under the name "Cephalopod" (from lat. Cephalopoda - Octopus).[21][22][23][24][25][26] Experts note that on the "Cephalopod" involved leading developers of torpedoes and underwater drones from holding the Central research Institute of Gidropribor and head of the Bureau for the development of shipboard nuclear reactors Afrikantov them. Afrikantov. Separately noted that there are signs of a possible objection to the Status-6 missile weapons, as involved in the works and specialists in rocket systems from NPO Mashinostroyenia (developer of anti-ship missiles like P-800 Oniks) and SAIs of the Concern "Almaz-Antey" (developer of cruise missiles as "Caliber").[20] Thus, application scenarios Status-6 can be substantially wider than the only one is declared to be carrying "cobalt bomb".

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Статус-6
    http://droneshub.ru/2015/11/26/rossijskaya-razrabotka-podvodnyj-robot-cefalopod/

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    All those western DSRVs were all about tapping cables on the ocean floor and planting or recovering listening devices...[/quote]

    Or exact maps of ocean bed to make maps for System-6 in order to avoid US sensors?


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    Post  GarryB Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:02 am

    Or exact maps of ocean bed to make maps for System-6 in order to avoid US sensors

    Easier and cheaper and quicker to do from space...
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Thu Dec 17, 2015 1:44 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Or exact maps of ocean bed to make maps for System-6 in order to avoid US sensors

    Easier and cheaper and quicker to do from space...


    if it would be better why all fleets use hydro-graphic ships?


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    Post  JohninMK Fri Dec 18, 2015 1:00 pm

    Austin wrote:^^ Thanks for heads up, full report

    ONI Report on Russian Navy , First since 1991
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CWSlCJWXAAAyD_i.png:large

    Report : http://www.oni.navy.mil/Intelligence_Community/russia_media/Russia_Pub_2015_Low.pdf

    Russian Navy Major Forces by Fleet

    http://www.oni.navy.mil/Intelligence_Community/russia_media/Russian_Navy_Major_Forces_by_Fleet.jpg
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    Its now been picked up with an analysis at Sputnik

    http://sputniknews.com/russia/20151218/1031949686/us-report-russia-navy.html
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Fri Dec 18, 2015 4:41 pm

    JohninMK wrote: Its now been picked up with an analysis at Sputnik

    http://sputniknews.com/russia/20151218/1031949686/us-report-russia-navy.html

    in text above from Sputnik there is an interesting info:
    "

    In addition to lasers, "electro-dynamic gun systems are being developed that use electrical energy for 2,000+ m/s muzzle velocity. The near- and mid-term combustion-based technologies are a transitional step to the creation of a railgun."

    As I understand this is not about explosive-magnetic generator as power source to a railgun?
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Dec 18, 2015 6:09 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    JohninMK wrote: Its now been picked up with an analysis at Sputnik

    http://sputniknews.com/russia/20151218/1031949686/us-report-russia-navy.html

    in text above from Sputnik there is an interesting info:
    "

    In addition to lasers, "electro-dynamic gun systems are being developed that use electrical energy for 2,000+ m/s muzzle velocity. The near- and mid-term combustion-based technologies are a transitional step to the creation of a railgun."

    As I understand this is not about explosive-magnetic generator  as power source to a railgun?

    2 km/sec sounds like their talking about electro-thermal cannons especially because their talking about a 'transitional step' towards railguns, plus 2 km/sec is close to 1/8th the top velocity of projectiles fired from EM guns that Russia has developed (that don't require rails), with top speeds of 15 km/sec, or Mach 43-45 speed.

    I suspect the Russian answer to Prompt Global Strike will likely be a ground based, truck mobile EM gun based on a Platform-O truck (or an MZKT equivalent) capable of launching or destroying satellites, to destroying ICBM warheads when tasked as an ABM when paired with a truck based ROFAR OTH radar, or launching an intercontinental artillery strike with projectiles flying in a LEO flight profile (for unlimited range) creating a 'legal' ground based equivalent of Fractional Orbital Bombardment System (FOBS). While flying at 15 km/sec, the projectiles have more than enough velocity to obtain escape velocity (you only need 11 km/sec to accomplish this). Scram jets could also be applied to projectiles to increase performance in maintaining velocity, and or increasing it.

    Considering how the U.S. unilaterally refused to further expand and maintain the Outer Space Treaty, it has left Russia very few options than perusing what I've stated above.
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    Post  max steel Fri Dec 18, 2015 10:46 pm

    Mach 43 ? Never heard.of.such EM gun.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Dec 18, 2015 11:36 pm

    max steel wrote:Mach 43 ? Never heard.of.such EM gun.

    15 km/sec = at least Mach 43 (keep in mind breaking sound barrier differs at sea level and high altitude) Russian experimentation in the field has seen projectiles fly at between 5, 10, and 15 km/sec.




    The second video even talks about how EM gun projectiles can obtain escape velocity:

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    Post  max steel Fri Dec 18, 2015 11:54 pm

    That first video came many years ago but haven't seen any laser based weapon on Russian Navy DDGs
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Dec 18, 2015 11:58 pm

    max steel wrote:That first video came many years ago but haven't seen any laser based weapon on Russian Navy DDGs

    They refer to U.S. developments in the field of lasers (basing them on ships), not Russian ones, but that's neither here nor there.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sat Dec 19, 2015 12:08 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:

    In addition to lasers, "electro-dynamic gun systems are being developed that use electrical energy for 2,000+ m/s muzzle velocity. The near- and mid-term combustion-based technologies are a transitional step to the creation of a railgun."


    2 km/sec sounds like their talking about electro-thermal cannons especially because their talking about a 'transitional step' towards railguns, plus 2 km/sec is close to 1/8th the top velocity of projectiles fired from EM guns that Russia has developed (that don't require rails), with top speeds of 15 km/sec, or Mach 43-45 speed.

    [/quote]

    wait,2km/s is about 6,5-7Ma so not far from US navy railgun (7-8 planned AFAIK). I never heard about 15km/s railgun, not that this is impossible technically but projectile would vaporize isn´t it?




    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    I suspect the Russian answer to Prompt Global Strike will likely be a ground based, truck mobile EM gun based on a Platform-O truck (or an MZKT equivalent) capable of launching or destroying satellites, to destroying ICBM warheads when tasked as an ABM when paired with a truck based ROFAR OTH radar, or launching an intercontinental artillery strike with projectiles flying in a LEO flight profile (for unlimited range) creating a 'legal' ground based equivalent of Fractional Orbital Bombardment System (FOBS). While flying at 15 km/sec, the projectiles have more than enough velocity to obtain escape velocity (you only need 11 km/sec to accomplish this). Scram jets could also be applied to projectiles to increase performance in maintaining velocity, and or increasing it.


    As ASAT or ABM makes sense. AAD or ASchW as well but intercontinental? The concept of intercontinental artillery sounds interesting but then how you want them to return to atmosphere (if speed >11,2km/s? ) or hit the target on the ground (projectile guided? what electronics will "survive" such accelerations and temps? Considering temperature and evaporation problem is solved.


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    Post  GarryB Sat Dec 19, 2015 11:56 am

    if it would be better why all fleets use hydro-graphic ships?

    Well it is probably cheaper and likely more accurate, but then most countries don't have ready access to those sorts of satellites...


    As I understand this is not about explosive-magnetic generator as power source to a railgun?

    Did you miss he said lasers?

    The concept of intercontinental artillery sounds interesting but then how you want them to return to atmosphere (if speed >11,2km/s? ) or hit the target on the ground (projectile guided? what electronics will "survive" such accelerations and temps? Considering temperature and evaporation problem is solved.

    Equally even a moderate payload will greatly reduce acceleration within the weapon and greatly reduce Muzzle velocity... just delivering a very high speed but light weight projectile would make it ineffectual as anything but a terror weapon... the V2 and the Scud showed without a nuclear warhead low accuracy weapons can only be terror weapons of luck or chance.

    They refer to U.S. developments in the field of lasers (basing them on ships), not Russian ones, but that's neither here nor there.

    In the article above...
    In addition to lasers, "electro-dynamic gun systems are being developed that use electrical energy for 2,000+ m/s muzzle velocity. The near- and mid-term combustion-based technologies are a transitional step to the creation of a railgun."
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    Post  George1 Mon Dec 28, 2015 5:29 pm

    Russian Navy received the last of the ordered speedboats "Raptor"

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    Post  Austin Tue Dec 29, 2015 7:36 am

    Russian Navy in 2015

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    Post  max steel Thu Jan 07, 2016 7:02 pm

    Are Russian Fleets vaunted with Naval Integrated Fire Control-Counter Air (NIFC) system ?
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    Post  GarryB Fri Jan 08, 2016 2:15 am

    No the Russians don't have a NIFC system...

    they have a Command and Control and Communications and Integrated Air Defence System... C3IADS called Sigma.

    It is installed on all their new and upgraded vessels including Corvettes and Submarines and combines information from all platforms fitted with the system and submarines and aircraft and satellites to create a full 3D picture of undersea, sea surface, land, air and space picture of the battlefield and allows coordinated attack and defence.

    As shown in Syria they were able to launch missiles from corvettes in the Caspian sea and track the missiles flight via satellite and aircraft and ground radar to impact.
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    Post  max steel Fri Jan 08, 2016 6:39 am

    Arent they both same?
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    Post  GarryB Fri Jan 08, 2016 8:55 am

    No.

    NIFC could be a guy in a speed boat and another guy in an inflatable with walkie talkies and a rifle each talking to each other sharing information on incoming threats.

    Sigma is a complete C4IR system that includes self defence (ie IADS) but also both defensive and offensive operational capability... in other words it is a complete battle management system.
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    Post  max steel Fri Jan 08, 2016 2:46 pm

    Sigma is just a not-very-bad data fusing system. Nothing special about it. Everyone these days has something like that.

    Long time ago, somewhere near 1990 USSR designed a Mars-Passat system, that was "Red Aegis", lol. With big ESAs, complete integration from submarines till Su-33, fuse of data and so on. Then Red Mordor died, never completed this.

    Now, ages later, Russia tries to come up with a combined solution, something USN made centuries ago. The training part was a indian ships with Trebovanie-M information system - Sigma is just a next gen on russian understanding of what "red aegis" should look like.

    Nothing more, nothing less.

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